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[ipgd]

Addai67 wrote...

purplecookie wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

I'm with ipgd on this one, I thought the romance novel esque corny sentiments were pretty genius for highlighting how utterly screwed and doomed the romance is.

That's a good point actually... and also, this is Varric telling the story, could that also be a reflection of the fact that he sees the relationship as entirely unhealthy (as supported by the fact he pulls Hawke aside on the matter) and so that's his interpretation of the relationship influencing how the interactions are presented?

So, you see the romance as being written with intentional irony?  Sort of self-parody? 

I'd say it's more a deconstructive of the logical conclusions of getting into relationships with people with destructively obsessive personalities than a parody, but certainly seems very self-aware of the cheesiness.

[leggywillow]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

ipgd wrote...

OK SURE WHY NOT

http://www.livestream.com/dragens

edit: FOR SOME REASON CHAT DOESNT WORK HO ON

Nothing's working for me.
Like at all.

It's not working for me either.

[ipgd]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

ipgd wrote...

OK SURE WHY NOT

http://www.livestream.com/dragens


edit: FOR SOME REASON CHAT DOESNT WORK HO ON

Nothing's working for me.
Like at all.

livestream is being a big poop so meredanders will apparently have to wait

[mellifera]

ipgd wrote...
livestream is being a big poop so meredanders will apparently have to wait

*CRIES*

STUPID LIVESTREAM ****BLOCK

[Purposeof-Flight]

**** **** DAMN.
Well....on the bright side, there will be nothing to distract me from making dinner.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Addai67 wrote...

purplecookie wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

I'm with ipgd on this one, I thought the romance novel esque corny sentiments were pretty genius for highlighting how utterly screwed and doomed the romance is.

That's a good point actually... and also, this is Varric telling the story, could that also be a reflection of the fact that he sees the relationship as entirely unhealthy (as supported by the fact he pulls Hawke aside on the matter) and so that's his interpretation of the relationship influencing how the interactions are presented?

So, you see the romance as being written with intentional irony?  Sort of self-parody? 

Whereas I think it puts too much faith in the game designers.=P

With the time restraints I doubt the thought crossed their minds.

[andrastepreserveme]

ipgd wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

ipgd wrote...

OK SURE WHY NOT

http://www.livestream.com/dragens


edit: FOR SOME REASON CHAT DOESNT WORK HO ON

Nothing's working for me.
Like at all.

livestream is being a big poop so meredanders will apparently have to wait

Bumfluff! I was looking forward to that!

[mellifera]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...
Whereas I think it puts too much faith in the game designers.=P

With the time restraints I doubt the thought crossed their minds.

I'm fairly sure the writers had plenty of time to write and think about what they were doing. They weren't still writing the characters and story until the very end of the development cycle.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

yukidama wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...
Whereas I think it puts too much faith in the game designers.=P

With the time restraints I doubt the thought crossed their minds.

I'm fairly sure the writers had plenty of time to write and think about what they were doing. They weren't still writing the characters and story until the very end of the development cycle.

Which means they had even less time. It's clear this wasn't meant to be a series from the start considering characters being resurrected and epilogues ignored.

Modifié par MelfinaofOutlawStar, 10 avril 2011 - 08:00 .

[silver-crescent]

I think you're oneranalyzing it tbh.

I thought the "cheesiness" just derived from 1) Anders's personality 2) Jennifer Hepler's writing and 3) the fact that there aren't many romance scenes per character

[Inzhuna]

I'm pretty sure at the time of Awakening development DAII was already in the works, at least the plot and characters.

[ipgd]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

purplecookie wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

I'm with ipgd on this one, I thought the romance novel esque corny sentiments were pretty genius for highlighting how utterly screwed and doomed the romance is.

That's a good point actually... and also, this is Varric telling the story, could that also be a reflection of the fact that he sees the relationship as entirely unhealthy (as supported by the fact he pulls Hawke aside on the matter) and so that's his interpretation of the relationship influencing how the interactions are presented?

So, you see the romance as being written with intentional irony?  Sort of self-parody? 

Whereas I think it puts too much faith in the game designers.=P

With the time restraints I doubt the thought crossed their minds.

Funnily enough, if you decide you're going to hate something and then refuse to look at it at any angle other than "I want to hate this", you'll hate it.

Considering Hepler was responsible for the dorfs, I'd find it kind of hard to believe she wasn't aware of the nuance.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

silver-crescent wrote...

I think you're oneranalyzing it tbh.

I thought the "cheesiness" just derived from 1) Anders's personality 2) Jennifer Hepler's writing and 3) the fact that there aren't many romance scenes per character

Pretty much. Gaming, creativity, and time restraints. There's no conspiracy. Things like this have deadlines.

[Tasmen]

Inzhuna wrote...

I'm pretty sure at the time of Awakening development DAII was already in the works, at least the plot and characters.

^That...

They were working on DA2 before DA was released.  Now how much they were doing, I don't know, but they were working on things.

[ipgd]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

I think you're oneranalyzing it tbh.

I thought the "cheesiness" just derived from 1) Anders's personality 2) Jennifer Hepler's writing and 3) the fact that there aren't many romance scenes per character

Pretty much. Gaming, creativity, and time restraints. There's no conspiracy. Things like this have deadlines.

I'm not sure how deadlines have anything to do with the chosen tone and themes of the writing? It's certainly responsible for there being less of it than there could have been, but it's not like you need six years to choose the thematic elements you will be exploring in a given piece of work.

[Poetics124]

cleosilver wrote...

Batteries wrote...

The Chantry would technically be a military target, yes?

/off topic

Since technically the Chantry is in charge of the Templars I can see it being one yes

Agreed.  Which is why Anders targeted the Chantry instead of the Gallows as he knows that they are the head of the snake so to speak and it would get the attention of the Divine and other Circles around Thedas.

Templars are the iron fist of the Chantry and it's laws so the templars oppression of mages originates and is given authority by chantry law.  The Templars were created to serve the Chantry.

Modifié par Poetics124, 10 avril 2011 - 08:12 .

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Tasmen wrote...

Inzhuna wrote...

I'm pretty sure at the time of Awakening development DAII was already in the works, at least the plot and characters.

^That...

They were working on DA2 before DA was released.  Now how much they were doing, I don't know, but they were working on things.

Which further fuels the "Anders was already damaged" theory.
Personally, I don't care. All I want is to enjoy the game, (which I did) an then **** about the parts I want improved.
If something doesn't get messed up, what fun would discussing the game be? XD

[silver-crescent]

ipgd wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

I think you're oneranalyzing it tbh.

I thought the "cheesiness" just derived from 1) Anders's personality 2) Jennifer Hepler's writing and 3) the fact that there aren't many romance scenes per character

Pretty much. Gaming, creativity, and time restraints. There's no conspiracy. Things like this have deadlines.

I'm not sure how deadlines have anything to do with the chosen tone and themes of the writing? It's certainly responsible for there being less of it than there could have been, but it's not like you need six years to choose the thematic elements you will be exploring in a given piece of work.

Well if there had been a longer development time/bigger budget it probably would have been possible to have more romance scenes for each companion and thus things wouldn't move at such a fast pace. The "first night together" and "moving in" events wouldn't have to be a 2-in-1.

[TripLight]

silver-crescent wrote...

ipgd wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

I think you're oneranalyzing it tbh.

I thought the "cheesiness" just derived from 1) Anders's personality 2) Jennifer Hepler's writing and 3) the fact that there aren't many romance scenes per character

Pretty much. Gaming, creativity, and time restraints. There's no conspiracy. Things like this have deadlines.

I'm not sure how deadlines have anything to do with the chosen tone and themes of the writing? It's certainly responsible for there being less of it than there could have been, but it's not like you need six years to choose the thematic elements you will be exploring in a given piece of work.

Well if there had been a longer development time/bigger budget it probably would have been possible to have more romance scenes for each companion and thus things wouldn't move at such a fast pace. The "first night together" and "moving in" events wouldn't have to be a 2-in-1.

I think it's also an issue of budgeting and what they deem superfluous and what is necessary. But I  know  that considering how well DAO did EA might have been pushing a little hard to get more out of the cash cow,so to speak. My opinion, anyway.

Modifié par TripLight, 10 avril 2011 - 08:14 .

[Purposeof-Flight]

silver-crescent wrote...

ipgd wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

I think you're oneranalyzing it tbh.

I thought the "cheesiness" just derived from 1) Anders's personality 2) Jennifer Hepler's writing and 3) the fact that there aren't many romance scenes per character

Pretty much. Gaming, creativity, and time restraints. There's no conspiracy. Things like this have deadlines.

I'm not sure how deadlines have anything to do with the chosen tone and themes of the writing? It's certainly responsible for there being less of it than there could have been, but it's not like you need six years to choose the thematic elements you will be exploring in a given piece of work.

Well if there had been a longer development time/bigger budget it probably would have been possible to have more romance scenes for each companion and thus things wouldn't move at such a fast pace. The "first night together" and "moving in" events wouldn't have to be a 2-in-1.

Well when you think about it....while the romances may be a huge deal to some, this game kind of forced you to focus more on the plot. Rather than just stopping and chatting with Alistair about your feelings....next to a pile of smoldering darkspawn carcasses.
This game wasn't ALL ABOUT THE ROMANCE. It was sort of like the ME trilogy's layout. Give you specific times to talk to companions instead of focusing solely on the romance.

I like it, personally. Makes it more authentic.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

TripLight wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

ipgd wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

I think you're oneranalyzing it tbh.

I thought the "cheesiness" just derived from 1) Anders's personality 2) Jennifer Hepler's writing and 3) the fact that there aren't many romance scenes per character

Pretty much. Gaming, creativity, and time restraints. There's no conspiracy. Things like this have deadlines.

I'm not sure how deadlines have anything to do with the chosen tone and themes of the writing? It's certainly responsible for there being less of it than there could have been, but it's not like you need six years to choose the thematic elements you will be exploring in a given piece of work.

Well if there had been a longer development time/bigger budget it probably would have been possible to have more romance scenes for each companion and thus things wouldn't move at such a fast pace. The "first night together" and "moving in" events wouldn't have to be a 2-in-1.

I think it's also an issue of budgeting and what they deem superfluous and what is necessary. But I  know  that considering how well DAO did EA might have been pushing a little hard to get more out of the cash cow,so to speak. My opinion, anyway.

I have no doubt EA had some influence on how this played out as a marketable product.

And the time issue was evident. Gaider said they wanted a shirtless Fenris and was told if they had to render that they'd have to cut something else out.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

ipgd wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

I think you're oneranalyzing it tbh.

I thought the "cheesiness" just derived from 1) Anders's personality 2) Jennifer Hepler's writing and 3) the fact that there aren't many romance scenes per character

Pretty much. Gaming, creativity, and time restraints. There's no conspiracy. Things like this have deadlines.

I'm not sure how deadlines have anything to do with the chosen tone and themes of the writing? It's certainly responsible for there being less of it than there could have been, but it's not like you need six years to choose the thematic elements you will be exploring in a given piece of work.

Well if there had been a longer development time/bigger budget it probably would have been possible to have more romance scenes for each companion and thus things wouldn't move at such a fast pace. The "first night together" and "moving in" events wouldn't have to be a 2-in-1.

Well when you think about it....while the romances may be a huge deal to some, this game kind of forced you to focus more on the plot. Rather than just stopping and chatting with Alistair about your feelings....next to a pile of smoldering darkspawn carcasses.
This game wasn't ALL ABOUT THE ROMANCE. It was sort of like the ME trilogy's layout. Give you specific times to talk to companions instead of focusing solely on the romance.

I like it, personally. Makes it more authentic.

I defintely missed that. With the time jump blackouts as well I felt I could have gotten to know that characters more than I did if I could just drop in and say "Sup?"

[TripLight]

Yenaquai wrote...

I just thought I'd toss that in here.

I wanted to draw Anders healing Hawke since he was first revealed, so I FINALLY did.

*snip great work of art*
Hope you guys like it.

Skinny Lanky  Anders FTW:wub:<3

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Yenaquai wrote...

I just thought I'd toss that in here.

I wanted to draw Anders healing Hawke since he was first revealed, so I FINALLY did.



Hope you guys like it.

*thumbs up*
Very nice.