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[silver-crescent]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...
Well when you think about it....while the romances may be a huge deal to some, this game kind of forced you to focus more on the plot. Rather than just stopping and chatting with Alistair about your feelings....next to a pile of smoldering darkspawn carcasses.
This game wasn't ALL ABOUT THE ROMANCE. It was sort of like the ME trilogy's layout. Give you specific times to talk to companions instead of focusing solely on the romance.

I like it, personally. Makes it more authentic.

I thought the romances in DA2 were handled better than in either DA:O or ME to be honest.

They were neither as unrealistic as DA:O (ie sleeping with Morrigan/Zevran/Leliana 5 minutes after you meet them), or as shallow as the ME ones (a couple of talks, 1 night together and that's it)

[Addai]

ipgd wrote...

Funnily enough, if you decide you're going to hate something and then refuse to look at it at any angle other than "I want to hate this", you'll hate it.

Considering Hepler was responsible for the dorfs, I'd find it kind of hard to believe she wasn't aware of the nuance.

I have faith in the game writers, but there are also a lot of people who do like the breathy, over the top romance stuff.  There's nothing wrong with giving them what they want.  I would rather see that there's more there than that, though, and I'd never heard that take on the romance before (i.e. the intentional irony bit).

Modifié par Addai67, 10 avril 2011 - 08:21 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

And the time issue was evident. Gaider said they wanted a shirtless Fenris and was told if they had to render that they'd have to cut something else out.

That's not unreasonable, though. I think that sort of thing would be waiting next for the chopping block for any project like this. Important though it would be to Fenris' character and it would be a huge addition to the scene, it's something you would see for 30 seconds, during an optional 'sidequest,' of which there are three others like it to choose from. Sure you can credit that to lack of time but in every creative project ever, things get cut.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 10 avril 2011 - 08:24 .

[Purposeof-Flight]

silver-crescent wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...
Well when you think about it....while the romances may be a huge deal to some, this game kind of forced you to focus more on the plot. Rather than just stopping and chatting with Alistair about your feelings....next to a pile of smoldering darkspawn carcasses.
This game wasn't ALL ABOUT THE ROMANCE. It was sort of like the ME trilogy's layout. Give you specific times to talk to companions instead of focusing solely on the romance.

I like it, personally. Makes it more authentic.

I thought the romances in DA2 were handled better than in either DA:O or ME to be honest.

They were neither as unrealistic as DA:O (ie sleeping with Morrigan/Zevran/Leliana 5 minutes after you meet them), or as shallow as the ME ones (a couple of talks, 1 night together and that's it)

I think so, too.
As far as the "moving in right after first time together" thing...that really didn't bother me. I figure...they're living in a chaotic setting with the chance of dying every day. Let them move a little fast. lol

[TripLight]

silver-crescent wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...
Well when you think about it....while the romances may be a huge deal to some, this game kind of forced you to focus more on the plot. Rather than just stopping and chatting with Alistair about your feelings....next to a pile of smoldering darkspawn carcasses.
This game wasn't ALL ABOUT THE ROMANCE. It was sort of like the ME trilogy's layout. Give you specific times to talk to companions instead of focusing solely on the romance.

I like it, personally. Makes it more authentic.

I thought the romances in DA2 were handled better than in either DA:O or ME to be honest.

They were neither as unrealistic as DA:O (ie sleeping with Morrigan/Zevran/Leliana 5 minutes after you meet them), or as shallow as the ME ones (a couple of talks, 1 night together and that's it)

That was the one thing I dislike about DAO, how fast you could progess the relationship without the plot being relevant at all.  You had to puposely pace yourself so the romance wasn't rushed.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

silver-crescent wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...
Well when you think about it....while the romances may be a huge deal to some, this game kind of forced you to focus more on the plot. Rather than just stopping and chatting with Alistair about your feelings....next to a pile of smoldering darkspawn carcasses.
This game wasn't ALL ABOUT THE ROMANCE. It was sort of like the ME trilogy's layout. Give you specific times to talk to companions instead of focusing solely on the romance.

I like it, personally. Makes it more authentic.

I thought the romances in DA2 were handled better than in either DA:O or ME to be honest.

They were neither as unrealistic as DA:O (ie sleeping with Morrigan/Zevran/Leliana 5 minutes after you meet them), or as shallow as the ME ones (a couple of talks, 1 night together and that's it)

Which bring me back to the point.. Hetero-female player love interests were always harder to bed. Apparently we like guys who aren't too forward, dudes like chicks that put out.

[silver-crescent]

I think the problem with the arguably premature DA2 release is that, had it not been released when it was, it would end up clashing with either SWTOR in mid 2011 or with ME3 in late 2011, or it would have had to be pushed back to 2012, which would just have been a waste of time/money.

[Sylph_14]

Yenaquai wrote...

I just thought I'd toss that in here.

I wanted to draw Anders healing Hawke since he was first revealed, so I FINALLY did.



Hope you guys like it.

D'aww, thats so sweet I love the expressions

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Pseudocognition wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

And the time issue was evident. Gaider said they wanted a shirtless Fenris and was told if they had to render that they'd have to cut something else out.

That's not unreasonable, though. I think that sort of thing would be waiting next for the chopping block for any project like this. Important though it would be to Fenris' character and it would be a huge addition to the scene, it's something you would see for 30 seconds, during an optional 'sidequest,' of which there are three others like it to choose from. Sure you can credit that to lack of time but in every creative project ever, things get cut.

See I would have bought this if it weren't for Mass Effect. Jacob strips, Miranda strips and they're just two optional love interests. They still had to take the time to render that 30 seconds of scene. It's clear DA2 didn't have the budget or the time.

[silver-crescent]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Which bring me back to the point.. Hetero-female player love interests were always harder to bed. Apparently we like guys who aren't too forward, dudes like chicks that put out.

And BW took that angle to a whole new level with Sebastian 

So evil.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

silver-crescent wrote...

I think the problem with the arguably premature DA2 release is that, had it not been released when it was, it would end up clashing with either SWTOR in mid 2011 or with ME3 in late 2011, or it would have had to be pushed back to 2012, which would just have been a waste of time/money.

It's true. They wanted a winter release and sadly DA2 was the volunteer.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

silver-crescent wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Which bring me back to the point.. Hetero-female player love interests were always harder to bed. Apparently we like guys who aren't too forward, dudes like chicks that put out.

And BW took that angle to a whole new level with Sebastian 

So evil.

Can't render a shirtless Fenris, have time to record lines for a romance that goes nowhere.

[Jean]

Ergh.


HEY LOOK IT'S AN ANDERS.

[silver-crescent]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Can't render a shirtless Fenris, have time to record lines for a romance that goes nowhere.

Well Jennifer Hepler did say Seb's story wasn't over, so who knows. It might still go somewhere.

Though given how unpopular he seems to be, I have my doubts.

[silver-crescent]

Batteries wrote...

Ergh.


HEY LOOK IT'S AN ANDERS.

His outfit also gets that Justice-y glow... isn't that kinda odd?

[ipgd]

silver-crescent wrote...

Well if there had been a longer development time/bigger budget it probably would have been possible to have more romance scenes for each companion and thus things wouldn't move at such a fast pace. The "first night together" and "moving in" events wouldn't have to be a 2-in-1.

Having more or less scenes wasn't really responsible for the tones of the romance. Even with just the one scene, it could have been played much more casually if that were the intent -- Anders had very practical reasons for wanting to live somewhere other than the sewers but he was very deliberately characterized as a U-Haul lesbian.

Addai67 wrote...

I have faith in the game writers, but
there are also a lot of people who do like the breathy, over the top
romance stuff.  There's nothing wrong with giving them what they want.  I
would rather see that there's more there than that, though, and I'd
never heard that take on the romance before (i.e. the intentional irony
bit).

That's half the point of deconstructions, isn't it? You draw people in with a familiar cliche and start pointing out the cracks. Anders is so over the top unstable that it's sort of hard to believe that she was honestly trying to play the trope 100% straight.

Modifié par ipgd, 10 avril 2011 - 08:35 .

[AquilaChrysaetos86]

TripLight wrote ...

Yenaquai wrote...

I just thought I'd toss that in here.

I wanted to draw Anders healing Hawke since he was first revealed, so I FINALLY did.



Hope you guys like it.

Skinny Lanky  Anders FTW../../../images/forum/emoticons/love.png../../../images/forum/emoticons/heart.png

Yes! ^ This!

This is a lovely picture. Do you happen to have a DeviantArt account or other similar?

@Silver-crescent: I assume it's just glowing through the fabric. But it's kinda hard to show that so . . .

Modifié par AquilaChrysaetos86, 10 avril 2011 - 08:36 .

[Purposeof-Flight]

Batteries wrote...

Ergh.


HEY LOOK IT'S AN ANDERS.

Templar #1: Hey that guy over there is glowing.
Templar #2: Hm?
T1: He seems to be glowing. He looks really angry...
T2: (looks up) Oh he just has a cold. (looks back at book)
T1: But...he's got a staff. And he's waving it at us.
T2: (looks up again) So every glowing guy with a staff wants to harm us, then?
T1: I guess not....
T2: (looks back at book) Good. I'm glad we established that.

AND THIS is what the templars must do EVERY FREAKING DAY instead of their JOB.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

silver-crescent wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Can't render a shirtless Fenris, have time to record lines for a romance that goes nowhere.

Well Jennifer Hepler did say Seb's story wasn't over, so who knows. It might still go somewhere.

Though given how unpopular he seems to be, I have my doubts.

I didn't hate him as a character but he's just not terribly interesting. I honeslty don't see myself buying anymore DLC with him and am content picturing him stroking his beard(he grew one) in Starkhaven repeating "Soon."

[Kawamura]

ipgd wrote...
 but he was very deliberately characterized as a U-Haul lesbian.

Huh.

No wonder it felt fine. I must hang out with too many lesbians.

They're... nesting everywhere. Like pigeons.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

See I would have bought this if it weren't for Mass Effect. Jacob strips, Miranda strips and they're just two optional love interests. They still had to take the time to render that 30 seconds of scene. It's clear DA2 didn't have the budget or the time.

Then so what? They didn't have the budget or the time. Someone sets the deadline and tells you how much money you can use and you make a game. Because we have examples of things that were cut or were almost cut on the DA2 side and not (as far as I know) on the ME2 side doesn't mean they didn't have to make cuts too. It's a matter or relative importance and priorities. It doesn't really work that since X has Z then Y should have Z too.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 10 avril 2011 - 08:38 .

[legbamel]

SurelyForth wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...
he runs into another person hell bent on dragging him along on tons of escapades.

I wondered about that. Yeah Hawke did help him and he did give Hawke his maps, but why volunteer to go to the Deep Roads and stick around?

Why not just leave it at that?

I think it's because he did like what he was doing in Awakening. It was probably personally rewarding and sometimes even fun for him to be out and about, getting to use his talents for the greater good. Then there's the social aspect of it. He's so lonely when we meet him in DA2 and so closed off because of his secret. I think that, when he meets Hawke, he sees someone capable of handling him, and maybe even understanding him, and he jumps on that. 

I know it's been a few hours, but I think it's definitely a combination of his loneliness and the fac that he is forced to tell Hawke (and co.) about Justice and they say, "Ho hum, let's go kill some mercenaries."  He'd been hiding it for so long and here these people just accept it and let him tag along.  I was totally unsurprised that he jumped at the chance.  After everything has gone wrong he's got another opportunity to be with people again (and it was Hawke at first sight, of course).

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Ergh.


HEY LOOK IT'S AN ANDERS.

Templar #1: Hey that guy over there is glowing.
Templar #2: Hm?
T1: He seems to be glowing. He looks really angry...
T2: (looks up) Oh he just has a cold. (looks back at book)
T1: But...he's got a staff. And he's waving it at us.
T2: (looks up again) So every glowing guy with a staff wants to harm us, then?
T1: I guess not....
T2: (looks back at book) Good. I'm glad we established that.

AND THIS is what the templars must do EVERY FREAKING DAY instead of their JOB.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Pseudocognition wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

See I would have bought this if it weren't for Mass Effect. Jacob strips, Miranda strips and they're just two optional love interests. They still had to take the time to render that 30 seconds of scene. It's clear DA2 didn't have the budget or the time.

Then so what? They didn't have the budget or the time. Someone sets the deadline and tells you how much money you can use and you make a game. Because we have examples of things that were cut or were almost cut on the DA2 side and not (as far as I know) on the ME2 side doesn't mean they didn't have to make cuts too.

I'm sure they did but it's about making it appear like you did nothing at all. The same cave over and over again was undoubtedbly another victim of time contraints but they didn't dress it up enough for us to not notice.