Kolotosa wrote...
Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
Certainly.
Be aware that the Chantry uniform consists of kick-a** boots and feathered pauldrons.
That could get a little...breezy. Can we bring a blanketof smiting?
Dunizel wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Elthina has most people believing her innocent, wise and pure act.
We know better.
I just believe firmly that one who does nothing even knowing what is going on, is just as guilty.
She could have said something to Petrice, since she was clearly suspecting her. She could have stood in public saying something to Meredith...in front of the people of Kirkwall, Meredith could only just obey.
Instead, she does absolutely nothing, for ten years. It is a pretty severe mistake.
She wanted to be a martyr too, I don't know how many times we told her to go away or do something, anything. Maybe the dialogues of Sebastian's last personal quest stress this more.
Kolotosa wrote...
Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
Certainly.
Be aware that the Chantry uniform consists of kick-a** boots and feathered pauldrons.
That could get a little...breezy. Can we bring a blanketof smiting?
Modifié par AquilaChrysaetos86, 11 avril 2011 - 12:25 .
AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...
Dunizel wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Elthina has most people believing her innocent, wise and pure act.
We know better.
I just believe firmly that one who does nothing even knowing what is going on, is just as guilty.
She could have said something to Petrice, since she was clearly suspecting her. She could have stood in public saying something to Meredith...in front of the people of Kirkwall, Meredith could only just obey.
Instead, she does absolutely nothing, for ten years. It is a pretty severe mistake.
She wanted to be a martyr too, I don't know how many times we told her to go away or do something, anything. Maybe the dialogues of Sebastian's last personal quest stress this more.
What's that quote about you also being evil if you have the ability to stop evil but don't? I believe that is applicable here.
shiba5 wrote...
With great power comes great responsibility.
That works too.
AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...
Dunizel wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Elthina has most people believing her innocent, wise and pure act.
We know better.
I just believe firmly that one who does nothing even knowing what is going on, is just as guilty.
She could have said something to Petrice, since she was clearly suspecting her. She could have stood in public saying something to Meredith...in front of the people of Kirkwall, Meredith could only just obey.
Instead, she does absolutely nothing, for ten years. It is a pretty severe mistake.
She wanted to be a martyr too, I don't know how many times we told her to go away or do something, anything. Maybe the dialogues of Sebastian's last personal quest stress this more.
What's that quote about you also being evil if you have the ability to stop evil but don't? I believe that is applicable here.
AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...
Dunizel wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Elthina has most people believing her innocent, wise and pure act.
We know better.
I just believe firmly that one who does nothing even knowing what is going on, is just as guilty.
She could have said something to Petrice, since she was clearly suspecting her. She could have stood in public saying something to Meredith...in front of the people of Kirkwall, Meredith could only just obey.
Instead, she does absolutely nothing, for ten years. It is a pretty severe mistake.
She wanted to be a martyr too, I don't know how many times we told her to go away or do something, anything. Maybe the dialogues of Sebastian's last personal quest stress this more.
What's that quote about you also being evil if you have the ability to stop evil but don't? I believe that is applicable here.
Miri1984 wrote...
A person may cause evil to others not only by his actions but by his inaction, and in either case he is justly accountable to them for the injury.
John Stuart Mill
shiba5 wrote...
And how come the only people who you see Jenga'd are her and 4-5 templars? Bioware should have stuck some orphans in there for maximum effect if they wanted me to feel bad. There's not even a sister to be seen.
Miri1984 wrote...
A person may cause evil to others not only by his actions but by his inaction, and in either case he is justly accountable to them for the injury.
John Stuart Mill
Modifié par thebrute7, 11 avril 2011 - 12:23 .
thebrute7 wrote...
‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’ --Edmund Burke
That it?
Modifié par AquilaChrysaetos86, 11 avril 2011 - 12:29 .
Modifié par signcherie, 11 avril 2011 - 12:31 .
Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...
Dunizel wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Elthina has most people believing her innocent, wise and pure act.
We know better.
I just believe firmly that one who does nothing even knowing what is going on, is just as guilty.
She could have said something to Petrice, since she was clearly suspecting her. She could have stood in public saying something to Meredith...in front of the people of Kirkwall, Meredith could only just obey.
Instead, she does absolutely nothing, for ten years. It is a pretty severe mistake.
She wanted to be a martyr too, I don't know how many times we told her to go away or do something, anything. Maybe the dialogues of Sebastian's last personal quest stress this more.
What's that quote about you also being evil if you have the ability to stop evil but don't? I believe that is applicable here.
For me, there are two possibilities:
1) She is a coward.
2) She wanted to avoid a massacre.
My Hawke did near enough the same. Sure, she helped protect her fellow mages and assisted them in their escapes, but she tried to keep the peace between Templar and Mage.
...until it all went to hell, then she just said "sod it" and jumped on the mage-revolution bandwagon.
From an RP point of view though, she was also a little bit of a coward...
AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...
thebrute7 wrote...
‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’ --Edmund Burke
That it?
That was the one I was thinking of yes.
But thanks Miri, that's also a good one. *saving for future use*
@Signcherie: I think on the rivalry path he says something like 'It's nearly midnight. Soon everything will be different.' or somesuch. Leads me to believe that the Chantry does indeed get Jenga'd in the middle of the night.
AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...
thebrute7 wrote...
‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’ --Edmund Burke
That it?
That was the one I was thinking of yes.
But thanks Miri, that's also a good one. *saving for future use*
@Signcherie: I think on the rivalry path he says something like 'It's nearly midnight. Soon everything will be different.' or somesuch. Leads me to believe that the Chantry does indeed get Jenga'd in the middle of the night.
shiba5 wrote...
Well, due to the limitations of the game, yes. If I had been given the choice to say, knowingly help Anders take out the Chantry, I would have done it. I was hoping I could drag Elthina out of Kirkwall well before the Justice quest came about. I kinda felt like the game was one big joke on me at the end. It wasn't about me being the hero at all. It was about me dragging Anders around until he changed the world. The devs programmed Hawke to be ineffectual when it came to the Chantry.
Modifié par T3hAnubis, 11 avril 2011 - 12:46 .
Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
thebrute7 wrote...
Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
Why was I not allowed to wind up Sebastian when it came to the end?
Sebastian: Maker NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-
Hawke: ...Hey, Seb. If Elthina was so great, why didn't the Maker save her? I mean, maybe she was a bad person.
Seb: OOOO- ...WHAT!?!
H: Well, the Maker's all knowing, all-seeing and he could have told her to get the hell out of Kirkwall.
S: What!?
H: Or he could have smote Anders.
S: Whaaaaaat!?!
H: But he didn't... maybe he wanted Anders to blow up the Chantry?
S: WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT!?!?!?
H: Maybe the Maker is sick of pious idiots taking his words out of context and turned pro-mage, and wants the Chantry destroyed! Maybe that's why mages have magic powers, and you don't!
...I have just justified everything Anders ever did. XD
Can I convert to your Chantry?
Certainly.
Be aware that the Chantry uniform consists of kick-a** boots and feathered pauldrons.
We also hunt down rogue Templars*, for they are very dangerous. Lyrium has addled their brains, so for their own safety, and the safety of others, their brains must be removed.
*(All templars are rogue, by the way.)
Seriously, where is the option to just punch her in the face (for her safety by getting her out and saving her life, yeah).shiba5 wrote...
Well,
due to the limitations of the game, yes. If I had been given the choice
to say, knowingly help Anders take out the Chantry, I would have done
it. I was hoping I could drag Elthina out of Kirkwall well before the
Justice quest came about. I kinda felt like the game was one big joke on
me at the end. It wasn't about me being the hero at all. It was about
me dragging Anders around until he changed the world. The devs
programmed Hawke to be ineffectual when it came to the Chantry.
thebrute7 wrote...
AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...
thebrute7 wrote...
‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’ --Edmund Burke
That it?
That was the one I was thinking of yes.
But thanks Miri, that's also a good one. *saving for future use*
@Signcherie: I think on the rivalry path he says something like 'It's nearly midnight. Soon everything will be different.' or somesuch. Leads me to believe that the Chantry does indeed get Jenga'd in the middle of the night.
I am under the same impression. I seem to recall that the scene always happens when it is night out, and I think Anders says something about midnight if you do the friendship oath as well. Someone else will need to confirm it because my computer is on teh blink and won't let me work out my DA addiction so I spend my time writing my fic instead of playing.
Batteries wrote...
thebrute7 wrote...
AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...
thebrute7 wrote...
‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’ --Edmund Burke
That it?
That was the one I was thinking of yes.
But thanks Miri, that's also a good one. *saving for future use*
@Signcherie: I think on the rivalry path he says something like 'It's nearly midnight. Soon everything will be different.' or somesuch. Leads me to believe that the Chantry does indeed get Jenga'd in the middle of the night.
I am under the same impression. I seem to recall that the scene always happens when it is night out, and I think Anders says something about midnight if you do the friendship oath as well. Someone else will need to confirm it because my computer is on teh blink and won't let me work out my DA addiction so I spend my time writing my fic instead of playing.
It's a rivalmance scene. He starts creeping out on Hawke because it felt good to get Vengeance to feel... satisfied? I don't know if that's the right word.
Dunizel wrote...
shiba5 wrote...
Well, due to the limitations of the game, yes. If I had been given the choice to say, knowingly help Anders take out the Chantry, I would have done it. I was hoping I could drag Elthina out of Kirkwall well before the Justice quest came about. I kinda felt like the game was one big joke on me at the end. It wasn't about me being the hero at all. It was about me dragging Anders around until he changed the world. The devs programmed Hawke to be ineffectual when it came to the Chantry.
Eh, I felt the same way. Up until the Qunari maybe, I felt I was deciding something, not so much about the Circle or the Templars/Chantry.
By the end of the game I realized Anders was the protagonist and the hero. (writing this V for Vendetta came to my mind, and his presentation in the first chapter...the villain and the hero at the same time, much like Anders)
I was just there watching the story unfold. It doesn't really change much who yu side with since anyway you disappear.
T3hAnubis wrote...
I was thinking of using Anders as a Martyr spammer for ultimate spamming of spells:
Party Setup (Nightmare):
Fenris in this setup (he eats FF for breakfast)
http://biowarefans.c...YmoRkcM0HriQfPS
Anders in Martyr spam mode to spam cast Heal/Aid Allies, Haste, Spirit Bolt, Chain Lighting, and Walking Bomb
http://biowarefans.c...1zYmMcoRk0EeBCv
Hawke as an Elemental Force Mage (Needs Second spec)
http://biowarefans.c...MYoSiht1aVPwQrf
And Varric as a Machine Gun
http://biowarefans.c...bURzMtEvesLnjNA
Interestingly use of Anders?
Dasha Dreyson wrote...
Seriously, where is the option to just punch her in the face (for her safety by getting her out and saving her life, yeah).
See, that's sort of what I like about this game. It really lives up to what the Devs said about the Dragon Age verse being a low fantasy place. Sh!t happens in this world. All that really matters in the end is how you choose to deal with that.Dunizel wrote...
shiba5 wrote...
Well, due to the limitations of the game, yes. If I had been given the choice to say, knowingly help Anders take out the Chantry, I would have done it. I was hoping I could drag Elthina out of Kirkwall well before the Justice quest came about. I kinda felt like the game was one big joke on me at the end. It wasn't about me being the hero at all. It was about me dragging Anders around until he changed the world. The devs programmed Hawke to be ineffectual when it came to the Chantry.
Eh, I felt the same way. Up until the Qunari maybe, I felt I was deciding something, not so much about the Circle or the Templars/Chantry.
By the end of the game I realized Anders was the protagonist and the hero. (writing this V for Vendetta came to my mind, and his presentation in the first chapter...the villain and the hero at the same time, much like Anders)
I was just there watching the story unfold. It doesn't really change much who yu side with since anyway you disappear.
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