DeaHamlet wrote...
Thief-of-Hearts wrote...
Batteries wrote...
you can warn the woman three times but she does not leave. I don't like that she died and would of stopped it if I could but she had plenty of heads up from Hawke and Seb, Hawke again and then finally by the city's knight captain to leave. She chose not to. I won't say she had it coming but she knew it was coming.
honestly i still can't see that, even with the three warnings we see as players. she's probably had attempts on her life before but i still dont think that's good enough reason to just up and leave. i actually applaud her decision to stick by people who needed her even in the face of danger. just look at kirkwall - its full of dispicable people and i think she actually has dialouge about how it wouldn't be the first time someone has threatened her. what's one more threat? even if it happened to be the one that was made good it doesn't matter. her death isn't going to stop the chantry from exsisting - it going to end up serving as a symbol about the chantry who back down in the face of danger at the hands of an evil mage (which, btw is not what she wanted in the first place).
Can people stop saying crap about how she helped people?
Anders did more for the poor and helpless than the whole chantry list of sisters combined.
And the way Elthina is slobbering all over my Hawke because Hawke's grandma was such a lady... ICK makes me sick.
Just stop saying that she helped her flock and whatnot.
She was useless.
I will tell her a million times over that she is useless, because that's what she is. In every circumstance.
I had to kill a great man who was stuck in a foreign city far from his people... because she wouldn't do anything about Petrice and her crap other than to promote her from sister to mother. OMG, bad judgement much? Yes, I told her about Petrice BEFORE the Viscount's son was killed and Elthina did zero. Nada. Nothing.
Who does she help? NOBODY, that's who.
A poor innocent boy was killed because Elthina couldn't be arsed to do anything.
Meredith and Elthina were so incompetenent a rapist was making mages tranquil and abusing them right under their nose.
Did you see anyone helping the poor in Darktown? Any sister? Did you see any sister doing anything other than wondering about and asking for money? No, you did not.
I'm supposed to feel sorry for her? When she talks with such arrogance and airs, like omg who is she and that her flock need her. What flock? The rich? She could well afford to live in a huge place in Hightown while everyone else suffered and starved.
When asked for help with the poor, Meredith and Elthina both refused to help anyone or give any money.
I asked Elthina each playthrough to do SOMETHING. Anything. Say something.
And every single time nothing but arrogance and distrust for mages.
No, I don't feel bad for Elthina. She signed her own death certificate. Either by Anders' hand or the Divine's hand, death was her future. That's what she decided. To die with the flock that she did nothing for. She decided for all those sisters and mothers that they need to stay in Kirkwall and DIE when the Divine sent an army to wipe out Kirkwall.
Elthina's death did not move a tear from me.
I wanted Meredith's head on a pike for Anders, I did not wish such venemous death for Elthina. I wish I could have slapped her a few times, that's true.
But sorry for the death she signed herself and her flock to anyway? Neah, no way. And each playthrough and discussion with her just reinforces that opinion.
With her decisions, she signed up all her flock for martyrdom. Without a second thought. And didn't think even for a second of her flock when she was warned that something was going to happen. Only that nobody would dare raise a hand against the Grand Cleric. BS. The Divine would have had no qualms. And Anders didn't either.
It'd be nice to excuse the whole ordeal with stupidity, but I'm not giving her that benefit. She simply didn't want to go against her own people, even if her own people were on the side of wrong. Coward.
TL;DR.
People take from the characters what they want. I like Anders, but I like Elthina too, and you don't. I don't know why you are trying to convince me about what she did and didn't do because I just don't see it that way, as I've already explained. Maybe it's the fact that to most Anders fans she didn't do enough is what really gets them angry? It's all a matter of perspective, and it's super easy to point fingers to one person we don't like and say "It's all THIER fault", just like that bit about the Arishok. It's actually all Isabella's fault. See? I can do it too.
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I want my 'everyone is kissing everyone' Anders thread back...
