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[Heidenreich]

*grabs spray bottle*

Less angry ranting, more sexy talk of Anders and various mutated forms there in..

They're all lookin at my Hawke's voluptuous rear end. *nod* Yes, Voluptuous.



And he's thinking good things!

[SurelyForth]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

cleosilver wrote...

I wonder if there's any correclation between people thinking Anders should be killed and people who live in a country which still has the Death Penalty.

Or just their feelings on the death penalty. My country has the death penalty, but I don't agree with it.

Yeah, same here. The one thing Elthina says and I agree with is "Death is never justice."

[Jean]

I really don't know what I feel on the death penalty but I usually don't kill Anders because I don't think it's going to fix anything. That and all my companions are about to go out and fight and possibly die for something he just started. He's coming too.
The Grand Cleric, those templars and whoever else that blast killed are dead.
Killing him isn't going to bring them back.

[signcherie]

Heidenreich wrote...

*snip*

And he's thinking good things!

I don't remember this line...where is it?

Modifié par signcherie, 11 avril 2011 - 04:30 .

[Threeparts]

cleosilver wrote...

I wonder if there's any correclation between people thinking Anders should be killed and people who live in a country which still has the Death Penalty.

I dunno. I live in a country with no capital punishment (and I don't support the death penalty) and spared Anders, but I also felt it best to kill the magistrate's son.

I don't think it's so easy to boil it down to that, since so much is based on the context of his actions, which varies from game to game. We've got rivalry Hawkes that spared him but supported the templars, friendship Hawkes that supported his views but killed him for his methods, bloodthirsty Hawkes that would have liked to have exploded the Chantry themselves, and pacifist Hawkes that spared him and sided with the mages just to prevent any more blood being shed than necessary.

So much of how you view his actions comes down to your own personal views on how mages are treated, what's best for society, how you feel about means to achieve an end, if you've experienced death on that scale, if you believe in love conquering all, if you consider insanity a valid defence and so many other factors.

Modifié par Threeparts, 11 avril 2011 - 04:32 .

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

cleosilver wrote...

I wonder if there's any correclation between people thinking Anders should be killed and people who live in a country which still has the Death Penalty.

Good question, though personally I think to punish Anders, you have to let him live.
Make him live every day with what he did. (It's worse if he's with Hawke, in a way.)

I doubt he'd ever take back what he did, but that doesn't stop the guit.

Seriously, Merril was the wisest person present in Act III.

Modifié par Dreaming-in-Shadow, 11 avril 2011 - 04:31 .

[Halinu]

Threeparts wrote...

Deathispink wrote...

Muffins? ...

Yeah I'm ignoring kinkmeme now...after I link this of course:wizard:

dragonage-kink.livejournal.com/4016.html <--- The muffin thing will make sense afterwards. I swear.

I've been following that thread avidly for several days now, which may be why I've had the muffin craving. 

I LOVE THIS ONE SO MUCH.  I've been mashing F5 for days now, absorbing updates like a sponge.  I love you guys for introducing me to the dragonage-kink. <3

JesterPsychotica wrote...

I think there should be an image of anders sitting on his crate with the decimated chantry behind him, eating a twix. ^_~

"Need a moment? Chew it over with twix."

Also, my new mage Hawke poked Anders with his cawke last night.

It felt so right.

Incidentally, YOU ARE HILARIOUS AND I LOVE YOU. XD

[Ninche]

Wow it seems I missed something big last night. I just read about 20 pages back but I'm still not sure what the hell happened. Were people arguing about the whole "this is why what anders did was not terrorism" thing? Are you guys fed up or can someone summarise things for me very quickly, I hate feeling like I've missed out =(

[SurelyForth]

signcherie wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

*snip*

And he's thinking good things!

I don't remember this line...where is it?

During Aveline's personal quest in Act 2. You can only get it for certain if he's the only companion with you, otherwise others will take precedent.

It is worth it, though. :3

[signcherie]

 I don't believe in the death penalty, but I kill the magistrate's son and any and all slavers that you have the option to let go. I never kill Anders because I luurrve him.

[Heidenreich]

signcherie wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

*snip*

And he's thinking good things!

*snip*

I don't remember this line...where is it?

Its durring "The Long Road" Quest if you bring just him to the last bit before going to the tavern. Or rather, don bring Isabela or varric. I left everyone out so I could see his lines un-interupted 

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Ninche wrote...

Wow it seems I missed something big last night. I just read about 20 pages back but I'm still not sure what the hell happened. Were people arguing about the whole "this is why what anders did was not terrorism" thing? Are you guys fed up or can someone summarise things for me very quickly, I hate feeling like I've missed out =(

From what I understand, we were joking about Elthina and the Chantry going "boom".

Somebody got upset, and started an angry rant about how mages are not slaves, the consequences of what happened, and Anders is a murderer and blah.

The major reaction?

"u mad?"

[signcherie]

SurelyForth wrote...

signcherie wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

*snip*

And he's thinking good things!

I don't remember this line...where is it?

During Aveline's personal quest in Act 2. You can only get it for certain if he's the only companion with you, otherwise others will take precedent.

It is worth it, though. :3

Aww so cute...guess that's what I'm doing on this playthrough then

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

SurelyForth wrote...

signcherie wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

*snip*

And he's thinking good things!

I don't remember this line...where is it?

During Aveline's personal quest in Act 2. You can only get it for certain if he's the only companion with you, otherwise others will take precedent.

It is worth it, though. :3

Reason No.# 906849384504830001 to replay DA2 and romance Anders.

Seriously, my only real complaint about the whole game was the fact that I couldn't play elf or dwarf (or qunari! That'd be interesting...)

[Heidenreich]

I'm on an obsessive kick to take as many Anders and Fenris seperate romance playthrough screenshots and uploading them to my photobucket as I can.. kick.

Its irritating the **** out of my husband, but I'm using it as fodder for stories! I NEED VISUAL AIDES!

My Fenris fic is -almost- done. Then I'll stop being lazy and let the anders-fic flow from my fingers like a horribly trashy romance novel with fabio on the cover. *nod*


Fabio, dressed in feather pauldrens and calf-high leather boots.


... excuse me, I need to uh... yea *runs*

Modifié par Heidenreich, 11 avril 2011 - 04:39 .

[Ninche]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Ninche wrote...

Wow it seems I missed something big last night. I just read about 20 pages back but I'm still not sure what the hell happened. Were people arguing about the whole "this is why what anders did was not terrorism" thing? Are you guys fed up or can someone summarise things for me very quickly, I hate feeling like I've missed out =(

From what I understand, we were joking about Elthina and the Chantry going "boom".

Somebody got upset, and started an angry rant about how mages are not slaves, the consequences of what happened, and Anders is a murderer and blah.

The major reaction?

"u mad?"

Oh okay, i thought it might have been a serious argument like "He's not blonde, he's GINGER" "NO WAY" kind of thing =D

Haha ohh I'm sort of glad I missed it, it's really annoying repeating myself all the time and getting the same reaction. When people want to hate they will hate. 

I haven't read what David Gaider says about mages not being slaves though. I'm interested in ANYTHING the writers have to say about any of this, they left us with sooooooo little clarity - people end up guessing and assuming and arguing when their assumptions don't match.

Does anyone know where I can read it? Or just how I can browse for the writers' posts in general?

[Threeparts]

You know, I've just gotten to the part in the Deep Roads in DA:O where things start getting very creepy very fast (o hai fleshy tumours everywhere!), and it's really making me appreciate that, all things considered and his writer being who she is, the Anders story wasn't worse.
I mean, he didn't turn into an actual abomination and eat Meredith in front of us, or turn into some tainted Tamlen-esque monstrosity. Lots of people died or went mad, sure, but at least there weren't body parts plastered all over Kirkwall and our little sister never turned into a Broodmother!

Modifié par Threeparts, 11 avril 2011 - 04:42 .

[shiba5]

Threeparts wrote...

cleosilver wrote...

I wonder if there's any correclation between   and people who live in a country which still has the Death Penalty.

I dunno. I live in a country with no capital punishment (and I don't support the death penalty) and spared Anders, but I also felt it best to kill the magistrate's son.

Oh, I forgot about him. I put him down like a rabid dog. I also didn't really have a problem with the Chantry (explosion) and felt it was a legit military target.

Modifié par shiba5, 11 avril 2011 - 04:44 .

[SurelyForth]

Threeparts wrote...

You know, I've just gotten to the part in the Deep Roads in DA:O where things start getting very creepy very fast (o hai fleshy tumours everywhere!), and it's really making me appreciate that, all things considered and his writer being who she is, the Anders story wasn't worse.
I mean, he didn't turn into an actual abomination and eat Meredith in front of us, or turn into some tainted Tamlen-esque monstrosity. Lots of people died or went mad, sure, but at least there weren't body parts plastered all over Kirkwall and our little sister never turned into a Broodmother!

This is all so very, very true. He could have sacrificed Hawke to power his magic bomb, for example.

[Threeparts]

Ninche wrote...

I haven't read what David Gaider says about mages not being slaves though. I'm interested in ANYTHING the writers have to say about any of this, they left us with sooooooo little clarity - people end up guessing and assuming and arguing when their assumptions don't match.

Does anyone know where I can read it? Or just how I can browse for the writers' posts in general?

Gaider on mages and slavery.

You can read the BW staff posts by clicking on the under thread names in the forum indices, but afaik you'll still have to look for the threads in the first place manually.

Modifié par Threeparts, 11 avril 2011 - 04:51 .

[YamiSnuffles]

Threeparts wrote...

cleosilver wrote...

I wonder if there's any correclation between people thinking Anders should be killed and people who live in a country which still has the Death Penalty.

I dunno. I live in a country with no capital punishment (and I don't support the death penalty) and spared Anders, but I also felt it best to kill the magistrate's son.

I don't think it's so easy to boil it down to that, since so much is based on the context of his actions, which varies from game to game. We've got rivalry Hawkes that spared him but supported the templars, friendship Hawkes that supported his views but killed him for his methods, bloodthirsty Hawkes that would have liked to have exploded the Chantry themselves, and pacifist Hawkes that spared him and sided with the mages just to prevent any more blood being shed than necessary.

So much of how you view his actions comes down to your own personal views on how mages are treated, what's best for society, how you feel about means to achieve an end, if you've experienced death on that scale, if you believe in love conquering all, if you consider insanity a valid defence and so many other factors.

Well, my thing with the death penalty is this...

If someone is an unrepentant killer and will kill again, then I think the death penalty is acceptable. By "will kill again" I mean there is not way to stop them from doing so. Thus, I killed the magistrate's son because there is a record of him escaping and killing again and again. They obviously are failing somewhere when it comes to imprisoning him and the magistrate will let it keep happening/cover it up. So it seemed like the only way to ever put a stop to it was to kill him.

As to Anders, to me the Chantry felt like a one time deal. It was an act used to start something. Unlike the magistrate's son who blamed the victims/demons/all sorts of things, Anders owned up to what he did (or, at least on the friendship path, but I'm not getting in to that right now) and he seemed upset about doing it even if he thought it had to be done. It thus seemed most likely to me that, from then on, he could be made to do good. Killing Anders would not have fixed what he did, but letting him live gives him a chance to at least start making up for it. However, if it turned out he decided to keep doing things like that and there was no way to stop him, I would put him to death.

However, it's hard to equate this to the real world. In most developed countries, people that you send to jail will likely stay there. If you can send a mass murderer to jail, and thus stop them from murdering again, that would be what I would support. As with many things in DA this is not quite the case. Thus why, as with the magistrate's son and Anders, it needs to be evaluated in a case by case basis.

[nekhbet]

What I'd be interested in knowing is whether people who killed Anders also killed Connor. Is a well-meaning Anders more culpable for inviting a spirit of the Fade to possess him because he's an adult? Compared to an ignorant child who invites a demon into him and lets loose.

Of course they're quite different situations, and not entirely comparable. But the interesting question is when does a possessed mage become culpable for the bad stuff that happens due to the possession? Is putting the possessed mage out more of a punishment to the mage or a quick-fix solution to limit the possible damage?

It is an interesting analogy of real-life crime committed by mentally unstable people, and my guess is that real-life political stances kind of divide people on their game opinions, too. Well, I have killed Connor once myself, but I felt absolutely horrible and despite hating Isolde's stupidity, I swore never to do it again. Playing evil **** once was enough.

Same situation with the Magistrate's son, btw. Only that he's really mentally ill...

Modifié par nekhbet, 11 avril 2011 - 04:49 .

[aquaticidioticus]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Oh my god....

Varricanders

Oh lawdy... there's a lot of... boob action going there.  

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Ninche wrote...

Oh okay, i thought it might have been a serious argument like "He's not blonde, he's GINGER" "NO WAY" kind of thing =D

Whaaat? Who said such things!? What ridiculous accusations are people casting around now?
Anders is blondie, Varric said so! Are you lot calling Varric (of all people!) a liar? XD

[DeaHamlet]

I got my co-workers to say "sexy times" today. I feel my life is complete. LOL

In other news, WHAT?! Anders is totally a dirty blonde!