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[Eternal Phoenix]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

My first thought seeing this?

"Wow, the image editing sucks!"

Second thought: Must be Monday, again.

Yep. I used Microsoft Powerpoint. That application sucks. Still, the picture gets my point across. I HATE ANDERS!

[Kawamura]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

<Crappy-troll-image-here>

My first thought seeing this?

"Wow, the image editing sucks!"

Second thought: Must be Monday, again.

What happens Monday? Is it dirty? I always miss the dirty things. </Merrill voice>

[Threeparts]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Also, I agree re: death penalty. Medieval society etc. And I think the best thing for the peace of mind of the majority is to shank Anders. I doubt anyone on the street cares about how much he suffers or could suffer emotionally to live in the s***storm he starts.

I like the poetic justice angle for the sake of a story and holding on to precious plot threads but if it was real life I'd kill him.

Something I'm really curious about is how much the citizens of Kirkwall are going to know about what happened. Orsino, Meredith and the Grand Cleric are dead and there's no sitting viscount, so that's four authorities unable to give information or provide any kind of support in the following weeks.

I haven't sided with the templars yet, but in pro-mage runs most of the surviving Circle mages probably fled for their lives in the chaos to follow Orsino's last instruction of spreading word. Judging by the scene at Meredith's "corpse" there are still plenty of templars left with only Cullen to lead them, and the templars seemed willing to let our characters get the hell out of town if we needed to.

Will the populace blame the templars for what happened, instead of Anders? It would be obvious that something went wrong at the Circle, so would they believe that either it's the mages' fault for being mages, or the templars' fault for being incompetent? How many regular people in Kirkwall know Anders, aside from the refugees? The Champion of Kirkwall was openly living with him in romances: would that count in his favour? And how many refugees would believe that their healer caused the explosion?

I really want to know what kind of stories are spreading through Kirkwall and the Free Marches a week, a month later, and who steps up to take charge if Hawke doesn't become viscount. Cullen? He was the only person we were introduced to that seems to have any pull. We never got to know any of the actual nobles, did we?

[YamiSnuffles]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

My first thought seeing this?

"Wow, the image editing sucks!"

Second thought: Must be Monday, again.

Yep. I used Microsoft Powerpoint. That application sucks. Still, the picture gets my point across. I HATE ANDERS!

My first thought was, "Why would I care about getting approval points with Sebastian?"

[AnniLau]

Elton John is dead wrote...

I HATE ANDERS!

I DON'T!

[Rinji the Bearded]

Elton John is dead wrote...

*snip*

10000 hours in microsoft paint

and anders always loves you

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 11 avril 2011 - 05:16 .

[Purposeof-Flight]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

<Crappy-troll-image-here>

My first thought seeing this?

"Wow, the image editing sucks!"

Second thought: Must be Monday, again.

Oh I missed that.
How crappy.

[upsettingshorts]

Threeparts wrote...

I haven't sided with the templars yet, but in pro-mage runs most of the surviving Circle mages probably fled for their lives in the chaos to follow Orsino's last instruction of spreading word. Judging by the scene at Meredith's "corpse" there are still plenty of templars left with only Cullen to lead them, and the templars seemed willing to let our characters get the hell out of town if we needed to.

Cullen essentially proclaims Hawke Viscount with a simple bending of his knee, given the political authority of the Templars in Kirkwall and the recent demise of his superior, this is more or less a legal oath.   Hawke would then be in a position to tell Kirkwall and Thedas whatever he/she wanted. 

Provided they didn't immediately get the heck out of dodge by hopping on Isabela's ship and never looking back at that colossal failure.  Like my Hawke did in my head-canon.  In which case I suppose Cullen is the one talking.

As far as the mage ending, I haven't seen that one yet so I don't know.  What the populace would do in Kirkwall and at large, well, who knows? 

Threeparts wrote...

I really want to know what kind of stories are spreading through Kirkwall and the Free Marches a week, a month later,

So do I.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 avril 2011 - 05:19 .

[ipgd]

thebrute7 wrote...

Ninche wrote...

Wow it seems I missed something big last night. I just read about 20 pages back but I'm still not sure what the hell happened. Were people arguing about the whole "this is why what anders did was not terrorism" thing? Are you guys fed up or can someone summarise things for me very quickly, I hate feeling like I've missed out =(

I made a post saying I would post my rationale for my belief that Anders blowing up the chantry was not in fact terrorism and some guy made a rant about how I was "rationalizing away murder" or some such.  You can find my rationale here. http://social.biowar...250/818#7028833

There you are.  Oh, and before we get too deep we need more "Everybody's kissing Everybodyness going on".  *Hugs for the Anders thread*

Can it not be both? Galvanizing the public was certainly part of what he was trying to accomplish with his actions, and the chantry is as much of a symbol to the people as it is a base of operations to the Grand Cleric. It seems like it'd be pretty hard to argue that at least his intent didn't fall in line with the typical goals of some forms of terrorism.

[nyxocity]

DeaHamlet wrote...

FYI Dress-up Anders is SO AWESOME.
Speedos all the way.

Dress up Anders is finished and posted somewhere? Link please?

[aquaticidioticus]

Also, this:

http://agregor.devia...anders#/d2oob49

Agregor has some fantastic DA art. Holy!

Not Anders related, but MUST SHARE:

http://agregor.devia...path=/#/d3dcctj

http://agregor.devia...path=/#/d3bjifx

http://agregor.devia...path=/#/d39wfgs

/and done.

[AnniLau]

Also, Adam Howden has cute kitties and a questionable bedspread.

Modifié par AnniLau, 11 avril 2011 - 05:17 .

[Purposeof-Flight]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

My first thought seeing this?

"Wow, the image editing sucks!"

Second thought: Must be Monday, again.

Yep. I used Microsoft Powerpoint. That application sucks. Still, the picture gets my point across. I HATE ANDERS!

My first thought was, "Why would I care about getting approval points with Sebastian?"

Riiiight?
I could give a flying **** if Sebastian approves.

[thebrute7]

Threeparts wrote...


I haven't sided with the templars yet, but in pro-mage runs most of the surviving Circle mages probably fled for their lives in the chaos to follow Orsino's last instruction of spreading word. Judging by the scene at Meredith's "corpse" there are still plenty of templars left with only Cullen to lead them, and the templars seemed willing to let our characters get the hell out of town if we needed to.

Will the populace blame the templars for what happened, instead of Anders? It would be obvious that something went wrong at the Circle, so would they believe that either it's the mages' fault for being mages, or the templars' fault for being incompetent? How many regular people in Kirkwall know Anders, aside from the refugees? The Champion of Kirkwall was openly living with him in romances: would that count in his favour? And how many refugees would believe that their healer caused the explosion?

I really want to know what kind of stories are spreading through Kirkwall and the Free Marches a week, a month later, and who steps up to take charge if Hawke doesn't become viscount. Cullen? He was the only person we were introduced to that seems to have any pull. We never got to know any of the actual nobles, did we?

Ooooh.   You brought up Cullen.   Does anyone else think that there is something wrong with him?  I mean, after the whole "Uldred thing" he was all "Kill all the mages", and now he's normal again...  Seems odd.

[Tasmen]

Elton John is dead wrote...
 I HATE ANDERS!

Cool story, bro.

[Ninche]

Threeparts wrote...

Ninche wrote...

I haven't read what David Gaider says about mages not being slaves though. I'm interested in ANYTHING the writers have to say about any of this, they left us with sooooooo little clarity - people end up guessing and assuming and arguing when their assumptions don't match.

Does anyone know where I can read it? Or just how I can browse for the writers' posts in general?

Gaider on mages and slavery.

You can read the BW staff posts by clicking on the under thread names in the forum indices, but afaik you'll still have to look for the threads in the first place manually.

Thanks so much

I love reading Gaider's posts - he is so brilliant and so harsh. I think I'll go read some Hepler posts too.
 I'm excited about what the writers say about Anders and terrified at the same time. -.- 

[ipgd]

Threeparts wrote...

Something I'm really curious about is how much the citizens of Kirkwall are going to know about what happened. Orsino, Meredith and the Grand Cleric are dead and there's no sitting viscount, so that's four authorities unable to give information or provide any kind of support in the following weeks.

If Sebastian was there, I imagine he would be taking great efforts to make sure everyone knows what Anders did, especially if you refuse to kill him.

[upsettingshorts]

thebrute7 wrote...

Ooooh.   You brought up Cullen.   Does anyone else think that there is something wrong with him?  I mean, after the whole "Uldred thing" he was all "Kill all the mages", and now he's normal again...  Seems odd.

SuperCullen stepped into a phone booth inbetween games.  "Cullen" in DAO was just his Clark Kent-like alter ego meant to throw us off.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Kawamura wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

<Awesome-image-here>

My first thought seeing this?

"Wow, the image editing sucks!"

Second thought: Must be Monday, again.

What happens Monday? Is it dirty? I always miss the dirty things. </Merrill voice>

How's is THAT a troll image? It's a contribution to this thread and it only took me 5 minutes to make. Don't get your knickers into a twist! I kill Anders every time!

And just because you asked for it:

http://t2.gstatic.co...6zan5U8_g-vlkua

[Rinji the Bearded]

ipgd wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

Something I'm really curious about is how much the citizens of Kirkwall are going to know about what happened. Orsino, Meredith and the Grand Cleric are dead and there's no sitting viscount, so that's four authorities unable to give information or provide any kind of support in the following weeks.

If Sebastian was there, I imagine he would be taking great efforts to make sure everyone knows what Anders did, especially if you refuse to kill him.

He'll post signs of ANDERS IS A MARDARER everywhere in Starkhaven.

[thebrute7]

ipgd wrote...

thebrute7 wrote...

Ninche wrote...

Wow it seems I missed something big last night. I just read about 20 pages back but I'm still not sure what the hell happened. Were people arguing about the whole "this is why what anders did was not terrorism" thing? Are you guys fed up or can someone summarise things for me very quickly, I hate feeling like I've missed out =(

I made a post saying I would post my rationale for my belief that Anders blowing up the chantry was not in fact terrorism and some guy made a rant about how I was "rationalizing away murder" or some such.  You can find my rationale here. http://social.biowar...250/818#7028833

There you are.  Oh, and before we get too deep we need more "Everybody's kissing Everybodyness going on".  *Hugs for the Anders thread*

Can it not be both? Galvanizing the public was certainly part of what he was trying to accomplish with his actions, and the chantry is as much of a symbol to the people as it is a base of operations to the Grand Cleric. It seems like it'd be pretty hard to argue that at least his intent didn't fall in line with the typical goals of some forms of terrorism.

I don't know.  It seems to me that the typical goals of terrorism invlolve directly harming the populace to instil fear and provoke change. 

Anders attack to me seems directed only at the Chantry itself and the templars, not at the people.  The effect on the people of Kirkwall would be a secondary effect, but I feel his main goal was simply to get rid of the chance for compromise, not to instil fear into the regular people. 

But hey, that's just me.

[AnniLau]

thebrute7 wrote...

Ooooh.   You brought up Cullen.   Does anyone else think that there is something wrong with him?  I mean, after the whole "Uldred thing" he was all "Kill all the mages", and now he's normal again...  Seems odd.

I ran my Elf Mage (with Warden Alistair) through Witch Hunt yesterday and two of the mages in the Tower were talking about Cullen being sent to some quiet little town for a while to calm down. I guess it worked?

Modifié par AnniLau, 11 avril 2011 - 05:28 .

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

ipgd wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

Something I'm really curious about is how much the citizens of Kirkwall are going to know about what happened. Orsino, Meredith and the Grand Cleric are dead and there's no sitting viscount, so that's four authorities unable to give information or provide any kind of support in the following weeks.

If Sebastian was there, I imagine he would be taking great efforts to make sure everyone knows what Anders did, especially if you refuse to kill him.

Oh yes.
Deary me, if only there was a certain hedonistic, tanned blonde elven assassin on hand to "help clear up".
What a shame one didn't turn up for the last battle...

Oh wait!! 

[SidheKate]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

I like the poetic justice angle for the sake of a story and holding on to precious plot threads but if it was real life I'd kill him.

Lots of people say that.

Personally, I don't know how I'd react because the idea of such a thing happening in real life seems so impossible...
And it depends on viewpoints and what "side" of the war you're on.

Personally, I'm uncertain (knowing the circumstances as I do) whether I'd kill him or forgive him.

In reality, I suppose I'd just let him go and see what fate decides.

I don't know, I played two different characters that friendship-romanced him, both of whom sided with the mages, and one that I decided would kill Anders and one that wouldn't.  The one that kept him alive stared wide-eyed at the remains of the Chantry before deciding there was nothing to be done there, and went with the, "well, we need to get to the Gallows," option. There were some innocent mages to protect and the debate about Anders' methods would have to wait.

The one that killed him did love Anders deeply, but she considered the person in front of her almost not-Anders. His humanity was slipping away, and it wouldn't be long before Vengence took over.  She considered killing him to be similar to when Anders kills Karl - a release of the body because the person within wouldn't want to continue that way.

And this is again why I love Bioware so very, very deeply.  No right or wrong answer, lots of potential reasonings and motivations, and enough room that we can dream up the story in between what we are given.

But as for me personally?  Every freaking mage you meet outside the circle is a bloodmage.  I can't imagine any of us could have much of a "FREEDOM!" opinion if we really spent seven years seeing only the bad side.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

RinjiRenee wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

Something I'm really curious about is how much the citizens of Kirkwall are going to know about what happened. Orsino, Meredith and the Grand Cleric are dead and there's no sitting viscount, so that's four authorities unable to give information or provide any kind of support in the following weeks.

If Sebastian was there, I imagine he would be taking great efforts to make sure everyone knows what Anders did, especially if you refuse to kill him.

He'll post signs of ANDERS IS A MARDARER everywhere in Starkhaven.

I have the urge to draw that now...