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[nyxocity]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

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My first thought seeing this?

"Wow, the image editing sucks!"

Second thought: Must be Monday, again.

Yep. I used Microsoft Powerpoint. That application sucks. Still, the picture gets my point across. I HATE ANDERS!

My first thought was, "Why would I care about getting approval points with Sebastian?"

THIS.

Also, I would MARDAR knife Sebastian every time, if the game would let me.

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Modifié par thenyxie, 11 avril 2011 - 05:27 .

[SurelyForth]

ipgd wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

Something I'm really curious about is how much the citizens of Kirkwall are going to know about what happened. Orsino, Meredith and the Grand Cleric are dead and there's no sitting viscount, so that's four authorities unable to give information or provide any kind of support in the following weeks.

If Sebastian was there, I imagine he would be taking great efforts to make sure everyone knows what Anders did, especially if you refuse to kill him.

Sebastian: I saw him confess. It was MAHRDAR!
Random: So what did you do about it?
Sebastian: I called for his death! For justice!
Random: And?
Sebastian: And then when the Champion refused, I said I was going to go to Starkhaven.
Sebastian: And take up my rightful place as prince.
Sebastian: And then gather an army.
Sebastian: And then bring the wrath of my army down on Kirkwall and her precious Anders!
Random: So that bow you've been waving in my face...didn't have it then?
Sebastian: What are you talking about?
Random: You have a bow, I assume you can use it. Why didn't you just take matters into your own hands? Flames, you could have probably sniped him at a distance, no one would have to know.
Sebastian: Because the Maker....and Elthina. It was MAHRDAR!
Random: Much better to leave him alive, let them get a massive headstart, and then go back to the city from which they fled.
Random: You're the worst.
Sebastian: ...mahrdar.

[cut ending]
Sebastian:...mahrdar.
Sebastian: *gets shameboner*
[/cut ending]

Modifié par SurelyForth, 11 avril 2011 - 05:36 .

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

SurelyForth wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

Something I'm really curious about is how much the citizens of Kirkwall are going to know about what happened. Orsino, Meredith and the Grand Cleric are dead and there's no sitting viscount, so that's four authorities unable to give information or provide any kind of support in the following weeks.

If Sebastian was there, I imagine he would be taking great efforts to make sure everyone knows what Anders did, especially if you refuse to kill him.

Sebastian: I saw him confess. It was MAHRDAR!
Random: So what did you do about it?
Sebastian: I called for his death! For justice!
Random: And?
Sebastian: And then when the Champion refused, I said I was going to go to Starkhaven.
Sebastian: And take up my rightful place as prince.
Sebastian: And then gather an army.
Sebastian: And then bring the wrath of my army down on Kirkwall and her precious Anders!
Random: So that bow you've been waving in my face...didn't have it then?
Sebastian: What are you talking about?
Random: You have a bow, I assume you can use it. Why didn't you just take matters into your own hands? Flames, you could have probably sniped him at a distance, no one would have to know.
Sebastian: Because the Maker....and Elthina. It was MAHRDAR!
Random: Much better to leave him alive, let them get a massive headstart, and then go back to the city from which they fled.
Random: You're the worst.
Sebastian: ...mahrdar.

[cut ending]
Sebastian:...mahrdar.
Sebastian: *gets shameboner*
[.cut ending]

ROFL

And thus we learn one of the most important rules of the thread: Never, ever drink while visiting. XD

[Dasha Dreyson]

SidheKate wrote...

I don't know, I played two different characters that friendship-romanced him, both of whom sided with the mages, and one that I decided would kill Anders and one that wouldn't.  The one that kept him alive stared wide-eyed at the remains of the Chantry before deciding there was nothing to be done there, and went with the, "well, we need to get to the Gallows," option. There were some innocent mages to protect and the debate about Anders' methods would have to wait.

Same here, when Anders survived a playthough, my Hawke felt that the event was now regrettably in the past where nothing could be done about it. My romanced Hawke was planning on helping with the war and then hen pecking Anders for a good long time while making him go around as a traveling healer.

[nekhbet]

Killing him is definitely the more merciful option. It's a release from any and all responsibility for whatever his actions will cause. Which is why I don't get this "I hate Anders so much I killed him!" thing at all. The guy did his great martyr deed and now is ready to die, so if you really want to punish him, you force him to watch the consequences and allow his mental state to deteriorate even further.

And that's why trolling the Anders topic with "I MARDARED Anders!" stuff is never going to be successful.

[ipgd]

thebrute7 wrote...

ipgd wrote...

thebrute7 wrote...

Ninche wrote...

Wow it seems I missed something big last night. I just read about 20 pages back but I'm still not sure what the hell happened. Were people arguing about the whole "this is why what anders did was not terrorism" thing? Are you guys fed up or can someone summarise things for me very quickly, I hate feeling like I've missed out =(

I made a post saying I would post my rationale for my belief that Anders blowing up the chantry was not in fact terrorism and some guy made a rant about how I was "rationalizing away murder" or some such.  You can find my rationale here. http://social.biowar...250/818#7028833

There you are.  Oh, and before we get too deep we need more "Everybody's kissing Everybodyness going on".  *Hugs for the Anders thread*

Can it not be both? Galvanizing the public was certainly part of what he was trying to accomplish with his actions, and the chantry is as much of a symbol to the people as it is a base of operations to the Grand Cleric. It seems like it'd be pretty hard to argue that at least his intent didn't fall in line with the typical goals of some forms of terrorism.

I don't know.  It seems to me that the typical goals of terrorism invlolve directly harming the populace to instil fear and provoke change. 

Anders attack to me seems directed only at the Chantry itself and the templars, not at the people.  The effect on the people of Kirkwall would be a secondary effect, but I feel his main goal was simply to get rid of the chance for compromise, not to instil fear into the regular people. 

But hey, that's just me.

He was trying to ignite a conflict by polarizing every involved party. By encouraging Meredith to invoke the Right of Anullment, and giving the public a very personal reason to support the anullment of the Circle, he was ensuring that there could be no compromise because there would be no sympathy. If there were any chance for peaceful surrender or anyone calling on the templars for mercy, the plan wouldn't work; he needed to do something to ensure even the loyalist factions of the Circle and the weak and the cowardly would have to either fight or die.

[Tasmen]

SurelyForth wrote...


[cut ending]
Sebastian:...mahrdar.
Sebastian: *gets shameboner*
[.cut ending]

Best part, right there.

[thebrute7]

thenyxie wrote...


Also, I would MARDAR knife Sebastian every time, if the game would let me.

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Cute Anders makes us all happy...  Cute Ser Punce-a-lot makes us happier,,,

Muder knife for Sebastian would make us all cry in joy for a week...

[nekhbet]

I was just reading the official strategy guide, btw... It says there Anders will never side with Hawke if Hawke sides with the templars. So, despite there being that ending hidden in the game, it looks like it's not a bug but deliberately left out as an option.

It's really a shame if that's the case. I wanted to play as a hardcore templar supporter, but for that playthrough I don't want to kill Anders but make him watch the mess he caused. And thus, need the alternate ending...

Modifié par nekhbet, 11 avril 2011 - 05:40 .

[ladyofpayne]

Somebody please give me HQ screen whn Anders eyes near from death.

[Threeparts]

ipgd wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

Something I'm really curious about is how much the citizens of Kirkwall are going to know about what happened. Orsino, Meredith and the Grand Cleric are dead and there's no sitting viscount, so that's four authorities unable to give information or provide any kind of support in the following weeks.

If Sebastian was there, I imagine he would be taking great efforts to make sure everyone knows what Anders did, especially if you refuse to kill him.

That's a good point. It's been said that Sebastian's story isn't over yet, so I presume his presence is canon even for those that don't have his DLC, and his views will be worked into something further down the line.

It's a pity he finally took my Hawke's prompting to become a real leader to heart at the most inopportune moment, but I do wonder how many people will listen to someone who is both a foreign prince and the Grand Cleric's right hand man who just happened to be away from her side on the very day the Chantry went up in flames. I'd love to see some conspiracy theorist gossips in any post-DA2 media.

If he does return to Starkhaven and wrest back leadership before marching on Kirkwall, I do wonder what he hopes to achieve there. He says he won't let the maleficarum rule there, but how many would be willing to stick around in a city where mages are likely to be KOS for the foreseeable future?

Whatever his plans were, we know that three years down the track his information on The Truth wasn't enough to stop the mages from rising and the templars rebelling. If the templars are splitting from the Chantry, that would mean that Exalted Marches would be impossible, but--

Ooh. Sebastian turns Starkhaven into a religious state and his army becomes the Divine's personal military, and he leads the next Exalted March himself.

[Ryzaki]

nekhbet wrote...

I was just reading the official strategy guide, btw... It says there Anders will never side with Hawke if Hawke sides with the templars. So, despite there being that option in the game, it looks like it's not a bug but deliberately left out as an option.

It's really a shame if that's the case. I wanted to play as a hardcore templar supporter, but for that playthrough I don't want to kill Anders but make him watch the mess he caused. And thus, need the alternate ending...

Does that guide say you can't get Fenris to side with the mages on his friendship path? If so that guide is flatout wrong. 

And according to Hepler the Templars ending should be in the game. I doubt she would've said that if they had taken it out. 

In this thread.  

Eh I bumped it. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 avril 2011 - 05:43 .

[upsettingshorts]

The guide also says - I believe - that it is not possible to Rivalmance Isabela, but it is. If we're talking about the same guide.

[ipgd]

nekhbet wrote...

I was just reading the official strategy guide, btw... It says there Anders will never side with Hawke if Hawke sides with the templars. So, despite there being that option in the game, it looks like it's not a bug but deliberately left out as an option.

It's really a shame if that's the case. I wanted to play as a hardcore templar supporter, but for that playthrough I don't want to kill Anders but make him watch the mess he caused. And thus, need the alternate ending...

The strategy guide gets a lot of things wrong. I wouldn't take it as any sort of reliable source of information.

Jennifer Hepler said somewhere that it was supposed to be in the game. It might be fixed with the patch.

[nekhbet]

Ryzaki wrote...

Does that guide say you can't get Fenris to side with the mages on his friendship path? If so that guide is flatout wrong. 

And according to Hepler the Templars ending should be in the game. I doubt she would've said that if they had taken it out. 

No, it gives very specific instructions on how to get Fenris to side with the mages, too.

I do hope Hepler is correct and the guide is wrong. I really, really want that ending...

[Inzhuna]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...


And thus we learn one of the most important rules of the thread: Never, ever drink while visiting. XD

Amen.

[Eternal Phoenix]

 

[SurelyForth]

Tasmen wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...


[cut ending]
Sebastian:...mahrdar.
Sebastian: *gets shameboner*
[.cut ending]

Best part, right there.

I almost added a dedication to you.

Re: Knifing Anders

I think that, despite him wanting to die, an argument could be made that keeping him alive to fight for his cause isn't a punishment at all. The impression I get in the end when you Friendmance him is that he's pretty much at peace with what/who he is and he knows exactly what must be done and he's more than willing to do that until the end.

One of the things that pressed on him in DA2 was the fact that, due to the environment in Kirkwall, there was only so much that he could do. He couldn't openly challenge the templars on his own, because that would raise anti-mage sentiment but not do anything to tip it to a breaking point the way the Chantry explosion did. There were only so many mages they could smuggle out and nothing to be done to ensure their longterm safety. He was, largely, trying to work within the system and was growing more and more frustrated with it every day.

Now that the Circles are rebelling and there's a struggle for power, he's no longer held to those rules.

[Ryzaki]

nekhbet wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Does that guide say you can't get Fenris to side with the mages on his friendship path? If so that guide is flatout wrong. 

And according to Hepler the Templars ending should be in the game. I doubt she would've said that if they had taken it out. 

No, it gives very specific instructions on how to get Fenris to side with the mages, too.

I do hope Hepler is correct and the guide is wrong. I really, really want that ending...

No? Gah then as Upsetting said is it possible to rivalmance Izzy with that guide? 

Because the Anders rivalry path is ridculously bugged. I bumped the Anders Crisis thread so you can read through it for yourself. 

[Tasmen]

Threeparts wrote...

That's a good point. It's been said that Sebastian's story isn't over yet, so I presume his presence is canon even for those that don't have his DLC, and his views will be worked into something further down the line.

It's a pity he finally took my Hawke's prompting to become a real leader to heart at the most inopportune moment, but I do wonder how many people will listen to someone who is both a foreign prince and the Grand Cleric's right hand man who just happened to be away from her side on the very day the Chantry went up in flames. I'd love to see some conspiracy theorist gossips in any post-DA2 media.

oooooooo yes that!  I hadn't even considered that point.  It was rather opportune that he was not stuck to her side like velcro when the Chantry went boom.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Apparently a lot of his rival dialog is bugged too. Which is why I've stopped playing for now. Seemed pointless until they fix a lot of things.

[CatOfEvilGenius]

Threeparts wrote...

Also, the poop bomb thing that people like to giggle about? Come on, guys, think past the "lol urine and manure" bit for a moment.

Anders knows how to make gunpowder.

Gunpowder.

You can take him with you on Isabela's ship at the end of the game. Guys. Do you know what this means?

****ing CANNON.

Yeah, yeah, the Qunari probably already have them, but who doesn't want to see Izzy in charge of a ship loaded with gunpowder and cannon with a crazy apostate mage on board, sailing off to kidnap the Queen of Antiva?

**** yes.

ZOMG Izzy will have the biggest shipgasm evar!  It will be epic and felt across the entire ocean!  She likes big boats, but I bet she likes well equipped big boats even moar.

I do wonder, is Anders gunpowder entirely chemistry based, like the gaatlok, or magicky?  The Chantry jenga looked very purple and glowy and magical.  Does that mean Anders boom is even more potent than qunari boom?  Or just based on different principles?

----------------------------------------

Big, big thank you to all the folks who said Meanie McRanty made several valid points, albeit in a tone not conducive to discussion.  This thread would not be such a great place if people didn't see those points, if it were full of fangirly 16 year olds.  (It's full of fangirly adults, we're much better!)  Too bad that poster didn't actually read all the well deserved criticism Anders gets here.  I missed all the fun, since I was playing the game at the time.  Game distracts from discussion of game!

* kisses everyone, especially proponents of civilized discussion *

[Ryzaki]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Apparently a lot of his rival dialog is bugged too. Which is why I've stopped playing for now. Seemed pointless until they fix a lot of things.

The funny thing is his rivalry non romance path is a little bit less bugged than the normal romance one. 

Alas they both break once you hit The Last Straw. <_<

[shiba5]

Kawamura wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

cleosilver wrote...

I wonder if there's any correclation between people thinking Anders should be killed and people who live in a country which still has the Death Penalty.

I live in the U.S., but I live in one of the bluest of the blue states. I never stabbity-stab him.

High fives for blue-blue-blue!

(Actually, my state is pretty red. It's only the population centres that are blue, as it tends to be.)

/fist bump

[Ashwraith]

Threeparts wrote...

Also, the poop bomb thing that people like to giggle about? Come on, guys, think past the "lol urine and manure" bit for a moment.

Anders knows how to make gunpowder.

Gunpowder.

You can take him with you on Isabela's ship at the end of the game. Guys. Do you know what this means?

****ing CANNON.

Yeah, yeah, the Qunari probably already have them, but who doesn't want to see Izzy in charge of a ship loaded with gunpowder and cannon with a crazy apostate mage on board, sailing off to kidnap the Queen of Antiva?

**** yes.

YES MA'AM, DO WANT.
And, yet again, I'm late to the party. This is what I get for succumbing to mortal weaknesses, such as the need for  sleep.
Justice does not approve.

Modifié par Ashwraith, 11 avril 2011 - 05:55 .