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[Poetics124]

SurelyForth wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
True, but that's if he and Justice/Vengeance have reached a sort of balance.

To be honest, I'm not sure I want the mages to be completely free.
They're not normal people, and they are intensely dangerous.
The Tevinter Imperium stands as a great testemony to what happens if certain mages get too much power. (The result? The Dalish are clinging to their culture by threads, children are torn from their families and imprisoned to keep society safe, and then there are people like Fenris...)

By all means, they deserve the rights to enjoy life, to settle down and have a family and such. They can contribute a lot with their abilities.

But some order similar to the Circle needs to be maintained for that freedom.
For instance, had Hawke and Bethany not had their father to teach them, they might have turned out like Connor or Meredith's sister.

I wonder if it's possible for Anders to see that...?

I...think it is. When he's getting towards the end and justifying the blood mages in Kirkwall because things have gotten so bad, he's still willing to work with and be civil to the templars. His big target seemed to be the Chantry and the fact that they use religious doctrine to not only confine mages but to keep the general population afraid of them. It was the system he opposed because it was perpetuating a cycle of abuse and subjugating mages.

I could definitely see him seeing reason in a system that really was meant to keep mages safe as long as it was not built on a doctrine of fear and hatred and it did not prioritize the rights of all non-mages over the rights of mages (which is my issue with the Right of Annulment).

Even in Act 2, after Dissent, if you give him the note of Meredith and Elthinia rejecting the tranquil solution, Anders tells Hawke that maybe he can reason with Elthinia about mage rights. 

I'm wondering what happened between that and Anders feeling he had no alternative but to blow up the chantry.  I wonder if it will be addressed in a DLC.

[Poetics124]

Aynslie wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

thebrute7 wrote...
I don't know.  It seems to me that the typical goals of terrorism invlolve directly harming the populace to instil fear and provoke change. 

Anders attack to me seems directed only at the Chantry itself and the templars, not at the people.  The effect on the people of Kirkwall would be a secondary effect, but I feel his main goal was simply to get rid of the chance for compromise, not to instil fear into the regular people. 

But hey, that's just me.

It's an attack on their religious center, intended to cause a war that would upend the entire civilization.  It's pretty harmful to everyday society.

As for whether to kill Anders or not, on my 1st pt I didn't because I thought he ought to fight, but the dialogue with him was very unsatisfying.  He took my Hawke's support of the innocent Circle mages as an endorsement for his cause.  I don't recall it exactly, except that my Hawke was all  and Anders was all  and in the end it was very .

I agree with thebrute7.

I didn't seem like an act of terrorism to me, and the world was already on the brink of war with the mage problem.  I don't know how many people have the exiled prince DLC but it is important in understanding what is going on, and in knowing that the divine is very close to calling an exhalted march.  I think the war was inevitable and I think Anders understood this.  Considering that the Changry is the head of the Templar order it is perfectly plausible that Anders attacked what he saw as a military target, not a civilian target.  IMO It was an act of War, a war that was already being fought behind the curtains where the general public couldn't see, it was not an act of terrorism.

I really wish that they had included the information from the DLC about the Exhaulted March in the actual game because honestly, if you were Anders and you listened to Leliana basically say that the Divine will basically come and destroy an entire city because of her belief in the magic problem, what would you think?  

[LastFadingSmile]

Poetics124 wrote...

Even in Act 2, after Dissent, if you give him the note of Meredith and Elthinia rejecting the tranquil solution, Anders tells Hawke that maybe he can reason with Elthinia about mage rights. 

I'm wondering what happened between that and Anders feeling he had no alternative but to blow up the chantry.  I wonder if it will be addressed in a DLC.

The problem might not be what did happen in that time, so much as what didn't happen. I think Anders says something about Justice was just getting fed up of all the dilly-dallying around; so probably his thoughts either become more pointed, or he exerts his will more forcefully, than he had had need for before.  

I also wonder at how much just being in Kirkwall affects Anders' ability to control the spirit within him. When you take Anders into the Fade, Justice assumes dominant control. Maybe spending so long in a city where the Veil is so thin isn't the best idea for a guy whose body is inhabited by an increasingly impatient Fade creature. But then, I guess none of what happens would have happened the same way if it hadn't been for Kirkwall being the Hellmouth and all that.

[Dunizel]

Poetics124 wrote...

I really wish that they had included the information from the DLC about the Exhaulted March in the actual game because honestly, if you were Anders and you listened to Leliana basically say that the Divine will basically come and destroy an entire city because of her belief in the magic problem, what would you think?  

This. So much this.
The Leliana dialogue should have been in the game, Sebastian or not. We could get the quest from Elthina maybe, no idea. But the information that we get from Leliana is really important to understand the situation. 

[Addai]

Aynslie wrote...
I agree with thebrute7.

I didn't seem like an act of terrorism to me, and the world was already on the brink of war with the mage problem.  I don't know how many people have the exiled prince DLC but it is important in understanding what is going on, and in knowing that the divine is very close to calling an exhalted march.  I think the war was inevitable and I think Anders understood this.  Considering that the Changry is the head of the Templar order it is perfectly plausible that Anders attacked what he saw as a military target, not a civilian target.  IMO It was an act of War, a war that was already being fought behind the curtains where the general public couldn't see, it was not an act of terrorism.

If war was coming anyway, why did he have to blow up the Chantry at all?  True that the Divine is worried that mages everywhere will start to rebel if they succeed in Kirkwall, but rather than leave it to fate, Anders decides to make sure that happens.  If it was inevitable, all he had to do was sit back.  That's pretty much what he tells you- he had to remove any chance of compromise.

[Aynslie]

Kolotosa wrote...

Poetics124 wrote...

Even in Act 2, after Dissent, if you give him the note of Meredith and Elthinia rejecting the tranquil solution, Anders tells Hawke that maybe he can reason with Elthinia about mage rights. 

I'm wondering what happened between that and Anders feeling he had no alternative but to blow up the chantry.  I wonder if it will be addressed in a DLC.

The problem might not be what did happen in that time, so much as what didn't happen. I think Anders says something about Justice was just getting fed up of all the dilly-dallying around; so probably his thoughts either become more pointed, or he exerts his will more forcefully, than he had had need for before.  

I also wonder at how much just being in Kirkwall affects Anders' ability to control the spirit within him. When you take Anders into the Fade, Justice assumes dominant control. Maybe spending so long in a city where the Veil is so thin isn't the best idea for a guy whose body is inhabited by an increasingly impatient Fade creature. But then, I guess none of what happens would have happened the same way if it hadn't been for Kirkwall being the Hellmouth and all that.

My question is this:  With the veil to the Fade so thin in Kirkwall why, oh why, have a Circle of Magi there??  Was there nowhere else to put the Circle?  

"So we have some mages here we need a tower for....hmmm lets put the tower where mages will have the MOST trouble defending themselves agains demons!  What a good idea!"  The chantry isn't that smart is it?

[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
 I don't recall it exactly, except that my Hawke was all  and Anders was all  and in the end it was very .

When I read this I was so .

I think you could handwave that as being Crazy Old Anders, if you're not romancing him or anything. It's like him doing that to someone who rivaled him- his being alive and you helping the mages is pretty much the biggest WIN ever in his eyes and he can't see it as anything but that.

Anders: He rejects your reality and crazypants substitutes his own.

Yeah for him the response makes sense, it was some added oomph on Hawke's side that I was looking for.  Say, an option to jump up and down and yell at him.  Like with Loghain, you can tell him after you recruit him that even though you spared his life, you think he's basically a pile of nug dung.

Modifié par Addai67, 11 avril 2011 - 06:51 .

[bloodtallow]

OK, you wonderful, kissable Anderstians! I need your help:

Can anyone post the exact line Anders gives when you're entering the tunnels under the Gallows during "Dissent?" He says something about how the lyrium smugglers use the tunnels to smuggle lyrium to the templars, who crave the stuff, but I don't know the exact line.

Any assistance is most appreciated!

[Aynslie]

Addai67 wrote...

Aynslie wrote...
I agree with thebrute7.

I didn't seem like an act of terrorism to me, and the world was already on the brink of war with the mage problem.  I don't know how many people have the exiled prince DLC but it is important in understanding what is going on, and in knowing that the divine is very close to calling an exhalted march.  I think the war was inevitable and I think Anders understood this.  Considering that the Changry is the head of the Templar order it is perfectly plausible that Anders attacked what he saw as a military target, not a civilian target.  IMO It was an act of War, a war that was already being fought behind the curtains where the general public couldn't see, it was not an act of terrorism.

If war was coming anyway, why did he have to blow up the Chantry at all?  True that the Divine is worried that mages everywhere will start to rebel if they succeed in Kirkwall, but rather than leave it to fate, Anders decides to make sure that happens.  If it was inevitable, all he had to do was sit back.  That's pretty much what he tells you- he had to remove any chance of compromise.

He also said he'd perfer a quick death now to a slow death later.  Instead of dragging it on any longer he pushed the world into a war that was coming, it was just a matter of when.  I'm not saying I have the whole thing figured out, nor am I saying Anders had the whole thing planned out (or maybe he did, but I surely don't know it).  What I am saying is that to me it seemed more like an act of war than terrorism.  Especially since there are no civilians whithin the chantry, it was like he planned to destroy it with the least amount of collateral damage he could.  But like I said that is just how I see it.

[Kawamura]

Aynslie wrote...

Kolotosa wrote...

Poetics124 wrote...

Even in Act 2, after Dissent, if you give him the note of Meredith and Elthinia rejecting the tranquil solution, Anders tells Hawke that maybe he can reason with Elthinia about mage rights. 

I'm wondering what happened between that and Anders feeling he had no alternative but to blow up the chantry.  I wonder if it will be addressed in a DLC.

The problem might not be what did happen in that time, so much as what didn't happen. I think Anders says something about Justice was just getting fed up of all the dilly-dallying around; so probably his thoughts either become more pointed, or he exerts his will more forcefully, than he had had need for before.  

I also wonder at how much just being in Kirkwall affects Anders' ability to control the spirit within him. When you take Anders into the Fade, Justice assumes dominant control. Maybe spending so long in a city where the Veil is so thin isn't the best idea for a guy whose body is inhabited by an increasingly impatient Fade creature. But then, I guess none of what happens would have happened the same way if it hadn't been for Kirkwall being the Hellmouth and all that.

My question is this:  With the veil to the Fade so thin in Kirkwall why, oh why, have a Circle of Magi there??  Was there nowhere else to put the Circle?  

"So we have some mages here we need a tower for....hmmm lets put the tower where mages will have the MOST trouble defending themselves agains demons!  What a good idea!"  The chantry isn't that smart is it?

It's like an incense of bad decisions. NSFW

[Ambeth]

Aynslie wrote...

My question is this:  With the veil to the Fade so thin in Kirkwall why, oh why, have a Circle of Magi there??  Was there nowhere else to put the Circle?  

"So we have some mages here we need a tower for....hmmm lets put the tower where mages will have the MOST trouble defending themselves agains demons!  What a good idea!"  The chantry isn't that smart is it?

Yeah, I have been wondering for a long time know who's "brilliant" idea it was to put the mages somewhere that the Veil HAD to be thin.

Kawamura wrote...



It's like an incense of bad decisions. NSFW

OMG, someone else that reads that!  <3

Modifié par Ambeth, 11 avril 2011 - 06:53 .

[Deathispink]

Aynslie wrote...

Kolotosa wrote...

Poetics124 wrote...

Even in Act 2, after Dissent, if you give him the note of Meredith and Elthinia rejecting the tranquil solution, Anders tells Hawke that maybe he can reason with Elthinia about mage rights. 

I'm wondering what happened between that and Anders feeling he had no alternative but to blow up the chantry.  I wonder if it will be addressed in a DLC.

The problem might not be what did happen in that time, so much as what didn't happen. I think Anders says something about Justice was just getting fed up of all the dilly-dallying around; so probably his thoughts either become more pointed, or he exerts his will more forcefully, than he had had need for before.  

I also wonder at how much just being in Kirkwall affects Anders' ability to control the spirit within him. When you take Anders into the Fade, Justice assumes dominant control. Maybe spending so long in a city where the Veil is so thin isn't the best idea for a guy whose body is inhabited by an increasingly impatient Fade creature. But then, I guess none of what happens would have happened the same way if it hadn't been for Kirkwall being the Hellmouth and all that.

My question is this:  With the veil to the Fade so thin in Kirkwall why, oh why, have a Circle of Magi there??  Was there nowhere else to put the Circle?  

"So we have some mages here we need a tower for....hmmm lets put the tower where mages will have the MOST trouble defending themselves agains demons!  What a good idea!"  The chantry isn't that smart is it?

It does seem like they dropped the ball with that one. >_> I wouldn't be surprised if ,after the whole Templars Vs. Mages battle at the end of Act III, that Kirkwall just became a massive tear in the Veil.

[Thrazesul]

[quote]Nerana wrote...

Has anyone seen a staff which produces a light blue clawed hand during attacks? O.O Either Anders got a very interesting new staff or I'm missing something with him. [/quote]

I believe that any staff that does spirit damage does the Spirit Fist of Justice finishing move. Other staves have different effects, although none are as awesome. I let him steal boss kills because it will glitch sometimes and show up in the cutscene.
[/quote]

Oh, well that'd explain it, thanks. However, the hand appears in every attack but otherwise it does Spirit damage. Pfft, never changing that staff again.

[blauwvis]

Poetics124 wrote...

Even in Act 2, after Dissent, if you give him the note of Meredith and Elthinia rejecting the tranquil solution, Anders tells Hawke that maybe he can reason with Elthinia about mage rights. 

I'm wondering what happened between that and Anders feeling he had no alternative but to blow up the chantry.  I wonder if it will be addressed in a DLC.

My own feeling - and sorry for jumping in on this with a wall of text, but I've been mulling it over for a couple of days whilst reading the various "Was Anders Justified?" threads... but I'm happier to dip my toe into the discussion on this thread, where people seem more reasonable and less ARGH HATE ANDERS KILL HATE - is that what happened was three years in which nothing got better, and most things only deteriorated further.  My Hawke was all about peaceful solutions, but firmly agreed with Anders that the Circle system needed serious reform; she definitely didn't believe that mages should just be let loose with no guidance or training, but the system as it stands was horrible, dehumanizing and damaging to everyone involved, mage and templar alike.

The situation in Kirkwall could have been immediately improved had Elthina simply removed Meredith from her position.  As far as I can tell, that would have been completely within her ability - and would have resulted in pretty much no political fallout, as by the time of Act 3 Meredith was getting on pretty much everyone's nerves.  But for whatever reason, Elthina seemed to prefer to tiptoe around Meredith's obvious issues and take a, "Oh, could you please try to be a little less psychotic, Meredith?  There's a good girl." approach.

But things were obviously getting out of hand, so much so that it attracted the notice of the Divine.  Again, an individual who could have removed Meredith and immediately reduced tensions.  But the Divine's solution?  Exalted March, aka, "Kill 'em all and let the Maker sort 'em out."  Now, I've only played once (waiting on the patch, argh), so maybe the conversation could go in a different direction, but Leliana made it pretty clear to my Hawke that that was the plan, and it was pretty much going to happen.  Hawke takes the info back to Elthina, who still refuses to do anything concrete.

Now, given that no one in the Chantry hierarchy - not even its head - is willing to take a single, simple, obvious step towards righting the situation in Kirkwall - that being, fire Meredith immediately - what are the chances that they're going to be at all receptive to a bunch of mages and mage supporters saying, "Hey, you know, this Circle system that's been in place for around 1000 years, the one that you claim is completely supported by the Maker, 'cause he totally hates mages and all that - well, it's not very nice and you should really consider some reforms."  Yeah, I don't think that's going to go down too well.

So while my Hawke was upset at what Anders did (but, seriously, watch the cutscene - that's gotta be the world's most humanitarian terrorist act, what with all the debris being pulled up into the air and dispersed out over the countryside - which includes in large part a spooky, uninhabited mountain and the freakin'  ocean, so not many civilians there to kill - and I will never understand the people who claim that he "blew up the entire district" or "killed thousands"), she had to, regretfully, acknowledge that forcing a conflict was probably necessary if change was ever going to happen.   Now, if he'd been gloating about it afterwards, yeah, it would probably have been murder knife time.  But, like her, he seemed to view it as the best of a bunch of ****ty choices and it weighed heavily on him.  Or at least that's how I viewed his reactions, during the planning phase, the final Questioning Beliefs, the cutscene itself and afterwards.  (Now, in the Gallows he's a lot more chipper, and back to his "I have a dream"ing, but I can hardly blame him, as the guy fully expected to die and likely can't believe what's just happened, in both the "I'm alive" and "wow, maybe we can actually pull this off" sense.)

[CatOfEvilGenius]

SurelyForth wrote...

(snip)

My canons both have a thing for Anders, but one of them actually says "okay, we're a bad idea..." and moves on to Fenris.  And then she keeps hoping he'll come to his senses... I wonder, can you bed the prostitutes after Fenris does his leaving thing?  I think I could live with that.  But moving on to Anders just feels like a slap in the face... oh yeah, Fenris, I told you I love you, you're wearing my crest and whatnots, but I'm going to move on to the man you hate the most.  Oh yes.  And Anders?  You get sloppy seconds after I sexxed up the elf, who you hate.
I can't do it!  

I'm too stuck on that to pull myself out enough to RP a character that would have the motivation to move between them.
But thanx to all you foxy ladies and gents, I don't have to!!! So thank you!  I get to hear the hot dialogue without putting my brain in a blender .  I *heart* you all!

Romancing Fenris then Anders (or Fenris and Anders concurrently) is so much easier if you simply play a rotten person who's only using Fenris for his two-handed hammer.  I find it much easier to play rotten rather than decent-but-flawed or decent-but-complicated.  There's a massive disconnect with rotten, so it just doesn't hurt as much.


edit: Sorry if I messed up the quotes, folks!

Modifié par CatOfEvilGenius, 11 avril 2011 - 07:05 .

[SurelyForth]

Ambeth wrote...

Kawamura wrote...



It's like an incense of bad decisions. NSFW

OMG, someone else that reads that!  <3

Oglaf has come up fairly often in this thread, and I am always obligated to randomly stroll through the archives because...well. It is awesome.

[thebrute7]

Aynslie wrote...

Kolotosa wrote...

Poetics124 wrote...

Even in Act 2, after Dissent, if you give him the note of Meredith and Elthinia rejecting the tranquil solution, Anders tells Hawke that maybe he can reason with Elthinia about mage rights. 

I'm wondering what happened between that and Anders feeling he had no alternative but to blow up the chantry.  I wonder if it will be addressed in a DLC.

The problem might not be what did happen in that time, so much as what didn't happen. I think Anders says something about Justice was just getting fed up of all the dilly-dallying around; so probably his thoughts either become more pointed, or he exerts his will more forcefully, than he had had need for before.  

I also wonder at how much just being in Kirkwall affects Anders' ability to control the spirit within him. When you take Anders into the Fade, Justice assumes dominant control. Maybe spending so long in a city where the Veil is so thin isn't the best idea for a guy whose body is inhabited by an increasingly impatient Fade creature. But then, I guess none of what happens would have happened the same way if it hadn't been for Kirkwall being the Hellmouth and all that.

My question is this:  With the veil to the Fade so thin in Kirkwall why, oh why, have a Circle of Magi there??  Was there nowhere else to put the Circle?  

"So we have some mages here we need a tower for....hmmm lets put the tower where mages will have the MOST trouble defending themselves agains demons!  What a good idea!"  The chantry isn't that smart is it?

I highly suspect this is why so many mages in Kirkwall go nuts.  Dear lord, if it wasn't for other information about mages I might have gone all templar on the Kirkwall Circle myself.

[Ninche]

Especially since there are no civilians whithin the chantry, it was like he planned to destroy it with the least amount of collateral damage he could.  But like I said that is just how I see it.

How do we know there are no civillians within the Chantry? Sorry if you've already explained it, I must have missed it. 

I'm going through the "Was Anders justified" thread and it's actually making me feel slightly depressed. David Gaider  pops in now and then to respond to something particularly uninformed or irrational but doesn't give me much to work with overall. And whenever people actually manage to ask him a nice relevant question just says "You will see" 

[SidheKate]

They updated information on the patch in the various help forums. If the Anders rivalmance fixes aren't in this one, at least they did say there will be another:

Rob Bartel wrote...

This patch should address the bulk of the major issues that people are experiencing. We’re already hard at work on addressing further issues with our next patch and we’ll be setting up some specific threads in the various tech support forums to help capture any major issues that you’re still facing after these patches go live.

So, hold out hope that it will eventually happen if that is something you are waiting for.

[Camilladilla]

Does anyone have that chantry jenga pic? The one where it's going kablooy and there's text on the bottom that reads jenga?

[thebrute7]

Ninche wrote...

Especially since there are no civilians whithin the chantry, it was like he planned to destroy it with the least amount of collateral damage he could.  But like I said that is just how I see it.

How do we know there are no civillians within the Chantry? Sorry if you've already explained it, I must have missed it. 

I'm going through the "Was Anders justified" thread and it's actually making me feel slightly depressed. David Gaider  pops in now and then to respond to something particularly uninformed or irrational but doesn't give me much to work with overall. And whenever people actually manage to ask him a nice relevant question just says "You will see" 

Was Anders justified is a very very big question.  I personally lean towards yes, but I am Mr Mage supporter as in "Anders Junior with  more rational and less Fade Spirityness". 

Oh, and because we need more hugs and kisses right now.  Anders Romance Tribute  <-- is awesome.  I wish I could make something like this, but I am inept at piecing together in game video.

[Aynslie]

Ninche wrote...

Especially since there are no civilians whithin the chantry, it was like he planned to destroy it with the least amount of collateral damage he could.  But like I said that is just how I see it.

How do we know there are no civillians within the Chantry? Sorry if you've already explained it, I must have missed it. 

I'm going through the "Was Anders justified" thread and it's actually making me feel slightly depressed. David Gaider  pops in now and then to respond to something particularly uninformed or irrational but doesn't give me much to work with overall. And whenever people actually manage to ask him a nice relevant question just says "You will see" 

They only show Elthina and Templars during the cutscene, and it is evening time/night during that explosion and battle through town.  It seems to me that the Chantry is closed come night and Civilians aren't allowed in, since I have not seen any civilian in side the Chantry at night at any point that I've been there.  I imagine then that the Chantry must have a closeing time.  With this in mind it seems like Anders plans the bomb to occur when there would be the least amount of collateral damage.

[thebrute7]

Aynslie wrote...

Ninche wrote...

Especially since there are no civilians whithin the chantry, it was like he planned to destroy it with the least amount of collateral damage he could.  But like I said that is just how I see it.

How do we know there are no civillians within the Chantry? Sorry if you've already explained it, I must have missed it. 

I'm going through the "Was Anders justified" thread and it's actually making me feel slightly depressed. David Gaider  pops in now and then to respond to something particularly uninformed or irrational but doesn't give me much to work with overall. And whenever people actually manage to ask him a nice relevant question just says "You will see" 

They only show Elthina and Templars during the cutscene, and it is evening time/night during that explosion and battle through town.  It seems to me that the Chantry is closed come night and Civilians aren't allowed in, since I have not seen any civilian in side the Chantry at night at any point that I've been there.  I imagine then that the Chantry must have a closeing time.  With this in mind it seems like Anders plans the bomb to occur when there would be the least amount of collateral damage.

Even if he didn't we know that the explosion went off right around midnight, so chances are there were very few non-chantry related people inside the chantry at that time.

[CatOfEvilGenius]

Ninche wrote...

Especially since there are no civilians whithin the chantry, it was like he planned to destroy it with the least amount of collateral damage he could.  But like I said that is just how I see it.

How do we know there are no civillians within the Chantry? Sorry if you've already explained it, I must have missed it. 

(snip)

They aren't shown, but I assume they must have been there given what the game showed previously.  Also, I don't consider the templars valid targets given that I don't know who they would have sided with, Meredith, Cullen, or Thrask.  Others assume differently, and I support their right to do so.  I think the "Were there civilians?" issue is where much of the disagreement comes from.  David Gaider, why won't you just tell us?  He likes tormenting us.  He's giggling in his office, reading all the nerdagony.  Giggly Gaider is part of my headcanon now.

thebrute7 wrote:
Even if he didn't we know that the explosion went off right around
midnight, so chances are there were very few non-chantry related people
inside the chantry at that time.

No, it did not go off at midnight.  He set it off with his staff during the day, while Meredith and Orsino were arguing.  The midnight thing was metaphor.  Anders was talking about a clock counting down, midnight was the start of the war, or the explosion, not actual midnight.

Modifié par CatOfEvilGenius, 11 avril 2011 - 07:12 .

[Aynslie]

thebrute7 wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

Ninche wrote...

Especially since there are no civilians whithin the chantry, it was like he planned to destroy it with the least amount of collateral damage he could.  But like I said that is just how I see it.

How do we know there are no civillians within the Chantry? Sorry if you've already explained it, I must have missed it. 

I'm going through the "Was Anders justified" thread and it's actually making me feel slightly depressed. David Gaider  pops in now and then to respond to something particularly uninformed or irrational but doesn't give me much to work with overall. And whenever people actually manage to ask him a nice relevant question just says "You will see" 

They only show Elthina and Templars during the cutscene, and it is evening time/night during that explosion and battle through town.  It seems to me that the Chantry is closed come night and Civilians aren't allowed in, since I have not seen any civilian in side the Chantry at night at any point that I've been there.  I imagine then that the Chantry must have a closeing time.  With this in mind it seems like Anders plans the bomb to occur when there would be the least amount of collateral damage.

Even if he didn't we know that the explosion went off right around midnight, so chances are there were very few non-chantry related people inside the chantry at that time.

I didn't know there was an actual time that the bomb went off, only that it was night and the Chantry seems to be deserted at night from my experience there.  Save for Elthina and chantry personnel.