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[CatOfEvilGenius]

Aynslie wrote...

thebrute7 wrote...

(snip)

Even if he didn't we know that the explosion went off right around midnight, so chances are there were very few non-chantry related people inside the chantry at that time.

I didn't know there was an actual time that the bomb went off, only that it was night and the Chantry seems to be deserted at night from my experience there.  Save for Elthina and chantry personnel.

No.  The explosion happened during the day, he set it off with his staff while Meredith and Orsino argued.  Midnight was just his metaphor, the end of the clock countdown to war or the explosion, not an actual time.

(sorry if I double posted this, my edited post is not showing up for me)

[Aynslie]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

(snip)

My canons both have a thing for Anders, but one of them actually says "okay, we're a bad idea..." and moves on to Fenris.  And then she keeps hoping he'll come to his senses... I wonder, can you bed the prostitutes after Fenris does his leaving thing?  I think I could live with that.  But moving on to Anders just feels like a slap in the face... oh yeah, Fenris, I told you I love you, you're wearing my crest and whatnots, but I'm going to move on to the man you hate the most.  Oh yes.  And Anders?  You get sloppy seconds after I sexxed up the elf, who you hate.
I can't do it!  

I'm too stuck on that to pull myself out enough to RP a character that would have the motivation to move between them.
But thanx to all you foxy ladies and gents, I don't have to!!! So thank you!  I get to hear the hot dialogue without putting my brain in a blender .  I *heart* you all!

Romancing Fenris then Anders (or Fenris and Anders concurrently) is so much easier if you simply play a rotten person who's only using Fenris for his two-handed hammer.  I find it much easier to play rotten rather than decent-but-flawed or decent-but-complicated.  There's a massive disconnect with rotten, so it just doesn't hurt as much.


edit: Sorry if I messed up the quotes, folks!

I got with the "what that's it?  your hitting it and quitting in you sob?  Who showed up at whose door? GTFO!"  Then I go cry on Anders shoulder because Fenris was such a jerk!  And we live happily ever after as mage fugatives. <3

[Aynslie]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

thebrute7 wrote...

(snip)

Even if he didn't we know that the explosion went off right around midnight, so chances are there were very few non-chantry related people inside the chantry at that time.

I didn't know there was an actual time that the bomb went off, only that it was night and the Chantry seems to be deserted at night from my experience there.  Save for Elthina and chantry personnel.

No.  The explosion happened during the day, he set it off with his staff while Meredith and Orsino argued.  Midnight was just his metaphor, the end of the clock countdown to war or the explosion, not an actual time.

(sorry if I double posted this, my edited post is not showing up for me)

It always seems like night to me when we're fighting in the streets....hmmm.  Will have to reaload and see.

[CatOfEvilGenius]

Aynslie wrote...

(snip discussion about boinking Fenris, then swapping in Anders)

I got with the "what that's it?  your hitting it and quitting in you sob?  Who showed up at whose door? GTFO!"  Then I go cry on Anders shoulder because Fenris was such a jerk!  And we live happily ever after as mage fugatives. <3

Do you take Fenris into the Fade to save Fenriel in that playthrough?  I do, because yelling at him about giving in to a demon is so much more satisfying when you're already mad at him for leaving you (and stealing your red thong).

[thebrute7]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

thebrute7 wrote...

(snip)

Even if he didn't we know that the explosion went off right around midnight, so chances are there were very few non-chantry related people inside the chantry at that time.

I didn't know there was an actual time that the bomb went off, only that it was night and the Chantry seems to be deserted at night from my experience there.  Save for Elthina and chantry personnel.

No.  The explosion happened during the day, he set it off with his staff while Meredith and Orsino argued.  Midnight was just his metaphor, the end of the clock countdown to war or the explosion, not an actual time.

(sorry if I double posted this, my edited post is not showing up for me)

Looks a lot like nighttime to me.  Destruction of the chantry

[shiba5]

Addai67 wrote...

thebrute7 wrote...
I don't know.  It seems to me that the typical goals of terrorism invlolve directly harming the populace to instil fear and provoke change. 

Anders attack to me seems directed only at the Chantry itself and the templars, not at the people.  The effect on the people of Kirkwall would be a secondary effect, but I feel his main goal was simply to get rid of the chance for compromise, not to instil fear into the regular people. 

But hey, that's just me.

It's an attack on their religious center, intended to cause a war that would upend the entire civilization.  It's pretty harmful to everyday society.

As for whether to kill Anders or not, on my 1st pt I didn't because I thought he ought to fight, but the dialogue with him was very unsatisfying.  He took my Hawke's support of the innocent Circle mages as an endorsement for his cause.  I don't recall it exactly, except that my Hawke was all  and Anders was all  and in the end it was very .

I pretty much felt the same way. I really, really wanted an "apply serious beat down" option, but it was not to be. I had to be content with my imagination. <_<
IRL, I am totally non-violent and have trouble squishing bugs, so I would have trouble knifing someone I loved no matter how heinous the act he commited. I'd just leave him.
My husband and I play "Zombie Apocalypse What-if" and I hate to say it, but if he turns first, he's taking a lot of us with him. I can't kill it!

Modifié par shiba5, 11 avril 2011 - 07:34 .

[Dasha Dreyson]

Ninche wrote...

 And whenever people actually manage to ask him a nice relevant question just says "You will see" 

I picture him with an evil grin, rubbing his hands together. 

[nyxocity]

Aynslie wrote...

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

(snip)

My canons both have a thing for Anders, but one of them actually says "okay, we're a bad idea..." and moves on to Fenris.  And then she keeps hoping he'll come to his senses... I wonder, can you bed the prostitutes after Fenris does his leaving thing?  I think I could live with that.  But moving on to Anders just feels like a slap in the face... oh yeah, Fenris, I told you I love you, you're wearing my crest and whatnots, but I'm going to move on to the man you hate the most.  Oh yes.  And Anders?  You get sloppy seconds after I sexxed up the elf, who you hate.
I can't do it!  

I'm too stuck on that to pull myself out enough to RP a character that would have the motivation to move between them.
But thanx to all you foxy ladies and gents, I don't have to!!! So thank you!  I get to hear the hot dialogue without putting my brain in a blender .  I *heart* you all!

Romancing Fenris then Anders (or Fenris and Anders concurrently) is so much easier if you simply play a rotten person who's only using Fenris for his two-handed hammer.  I find it much easier to play rotten rather than decent-but-flawed or decent-but-complicated.  There's a massive disconnect with rotten, so it just doesn't hurt as much.


edit: Sorry if I messed up the quotes, folks!

I got with the "what that's it?  your hitting it and quitting in you sob?  Who showed up at whose door? GTFO!"  Then I go cry on Anders shoulder because Fenris was such a jerk!  And we live happily ever after as mage fugatives. <3

This is what I am doing this play through as well. She's been carrying a bit of a torch for Anders since he saved her brother in the Deep Roads, but he keeps pushing her away so she gave up on that. The way I've been playing it is my mage can't stand most of what comes out of Fenris' mouth, but she's got this major attraction to him in spite of that (and probably also because of it). My mage was really angry at Fenris for giving up and walking out, and she pretty much got it on with Isabela just to spite him. She hasn't had the chance to figure out that Anders may come around just yet, but when she does, that's gonna be all she wrote. Renegade mages 4eva.

[shiba5]

Addai67 wrote...

Aynslie wrote...
I agree with thebrute7.

I didn't seem like an act of terrorism to me, and the world was already on the brink of war with the mage problem.  I don't know how many people have the exiled prince DLC but it is important in understanding what is going on, and in knowing that the divine is very close to calling an exhalted march.  I think the war was inevitable and I think Anders understood this.  Considering that the Changry is the head of the Templar order it is perfectly plausible that Anders attacked what he saw as a military target, not a civilian target.  IMO It was an act of War, a war that was already being fought behind the curtains where the general public couldn't see, it was not an act of terrorism.

If war was coming anyway, why did he have to blow up the Chantry at all?  True that the Divine is worried that mages everywhere will start to rebel if they succeed in Kirkwall, but rather than leave it to fate, Anders decides to make sure that happens.  If it was inevitable, all he had to do was sit back.  That's pretty much what he tells you- he had to remove any chance of compromise.

I think because now he's forced the mages to fight or die against the Chantry. They can't sit on the sidelines anymore. No compromise.

[Dasha Dreyson]

shiba5 wrote...

My husband and I play "Zombie Apocalypse What-if" and I hate to say it, but if he turns first, he's taking a lot of us with him. I can't kill it!

I don't have enough vital signs for zombies to detect me.

[Aynslie]

thebrute7 wrote...

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

thebrute7 wrote...

(snip)

Even if he didn't we know that the explosion went off right around midnight, so chances are there were very few non-chantry related people inside the chantry at that time.

I didn't know there was an actual time that the bomb went off, only that it was night and the Chantry seems to be deserted at night from my experience there.  Save for Elthina and chantry personnel.

No.  The explosion happened during the day, he set it off with his staff while Meredith and Orsino argued.  Midnight was just his metaphor, the end of the clock countdown to war or the explosion, not an actual time.

(sorry if I double posted this, my edited post is not showing up for me)

Looks a lot like nighttime to me.  Destruction of the chantry

Yes I rewatched it aswell.  It looks like sunset going into night by the time your at the gallows to me.  Its very plausible that the Chantry would have been closed to the people by the time the bomb goes off.

[nyxocity]

Ninche wrote...

Especially since there are no civilians whithin the chantry, it was like he planned to destroy it with the least amount of collateral damage he could.  But like I said that is just how I see it.

How do we know there are no civillians within the Chantry? Sorry if you've already explained it, I must have missed it. 

I'm going through the "Was Anders justified" thread and it's actually making me feel slightly depressed. David Gaider  pops in now and then to respond to something particularly uninformed or irrational but doesn't give me much to work with overall. And whenever people actually manage to ask him a nice relevant question just says "You will see" 

I'm curious as to what kind of relevant questions he's not answering? Stuff like if there were civilians in the Chantry when it got Jenga'd?

[ipgd]

thebrute7 wrote...

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

thebrute7 wrote...

(snip)

Even if he didn't we know that the explosion went off right around midnight, so chances are there were very few non-chantry related people inside the chantry at that time.

I didn't know there was an actual time that the bomb went off, only that it was night and the Chantry seems to be deserted at night from my experience there.  Save for Elthina and chantry personnel.

No.  The explosion happened during the day, he set it off with his staff while Meredith and Orsino argued.  Midnight was just his metaphor, the end of the clock countdown to war or the explosion, not an actual time.

(sorry if I double posted this, my edited post is not showing up for me)

Looks a lot like nighttime to me.  Destruction of the chantry

Seems like it's a cloudy evening.

The midnight thing was a metaphor. You can get that conversation as one of the first quests you do in Act III, I seriously doubt it was referring to a literal time.

[Aynslie]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

(snip discussion about boinking Fenris, then swapping in Anders)

I got with the "what that's it?  your hitting it and quitting in you sob?  Who showed up at whose door? GTFO!"  Then I go cry on Anders shoulder because Fenris was such a jerk!  And we live happily ever after as mage fugatives. <3

Do you take Fenris into the Fade to save Fenriel in that playthrough?  I do, because yelling at him about giving in to a demon is so much more satisfying when you're already mad at him for leaving you (and stealing your red thong).

Oh I LOVE taking Fenris into the fade. And tearing him a new one afterwards.  I just wish there was a "So ONLY mages are weak against the temptations of demons huh?  I don't want to hear ONE MORE thing about mages come out of your mouth hypocrit!"

Modifié par Aynslie, 11 avril 2011 - 07:35 .

[Mr.House]

I like bringing Anders to the Fade, it was good to see Justice, even tho he's a bit more grumpy now.

[shiba5]

Mr.House wrote...

I like bringing Anders to the Fade, it was good to see Justice, even tho he's a bit more grumpy now.

And if you ask him if he's Anders, you get rivalry points.

[thebrute7]

Aynslie wrote...

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

(snip discussion about boinking Fenris, then swapping in Anders)

I got with the "what that's it?  your hitting it and quitting in you sob?  Who showed up at whose door? GTFO!"  Then I go cry on Anders shoulder because Fenris was such a jerk!  And we live happily ever after as mage fugatives. <3

Do you take Fenris into the Fade to save Fenriel in that playthrough?  I do, because yelling at him about giving in to a demon is so much more satisfying when you're already mad at him for leaving you (and stealing your red thong).

Oh I LOVE taking Fenris into the fade. And tearing him a new one afterwards.  I just wish there was a "So ONLY mages are weak against the temptations of demons huh?  I don't want to hear ONE MORE thing about mages come out of your mouth hypocrit!"

WIN!  Anders approves.  Friendship +15

[CatOfEvilGenius]

Anyone getting Avast malware alert popups while trying to post in this thread, or read it? I am, but only just today. It complains about some *.gzip infecting some script, or something, but the error message doesn't fit so I can't read it all. Anyone know what's up? Should I ask an admin?

[leggywillow]

Aynslie wrote...

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Do you take Fenris into the Fade to save Fenriel in that playthrough?  I do, because yelling at him about giving in to a demon is so much more satisfying when you're already mad at him for leaving you (and stealing your red thong)

Oh I LOVE taking Fenris into the fade. ANd tearing hima  new one afterwards.  I just wish there was a "So ONLY mages are weak against the temptations of deomons huh?  I don't want to hear ONE MORE thing about mages come out of your mouth hypocrit!"

I love doing that too, although a rivaled Fenris doesn't really apologize and blames you for it anyway.

I wish there had been some banter between Fenris and Anders about that.  You get banter after Dissent, where Fenris harasses Anders for not being able to control Justice.  I would have loved to see Anders turn that around on Fenris

Anders: I recall you saying something a while ago...
Fenris: Shut up
Anders: Killing people not at the behest of a demon.  Wasn't that what you said?
Fenris: So help me...

Modifié par leggywillow, 11 avril 2011 - 07:38 .

[Ninche]

thenyxie wrote...

Ninche wrote...

Especially since there are no civilians whithin the chantry, it was like he planned to destroy it with the least amount of collateral damage he could.  But like I said that is just how I see it.

How do we know there are no civillians within the Chantry? Sorry if you've already explained it, I must have missed it. 

I'm going through the "Was Anders justified" thread and it's actually making me feel slightly depressed. David Gaider  pops in now and then to respond to something particularly uninformed or irrational but doesn't give me much to work with overall. And whenever people actually manage to ask him a nice relevant question just says "You will see" 

I'm curious as to what kind of relevant questions he's not answering? Stuff like if there were civilians in the Chantry when it got Jenga'd?

Oh stuff like, why does Leliana sound slightly anti-mage or what's going on with the Ferelden circle if they have been given their freedom in DA:O etc. 

[Mr.House]

shiba5 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

I like bringing Anders to the Fade, it was good to see Justice, even tho he's a bit more grumpy now.

And if you ask him if he's Anders, you get rivalry points.

Ya, I was like , so now I ask why are you glowing. Glowing Anders is awesome, he makes things explode

Modifié par Mr.House, 11 avril 2011 - 07:39 .

[Ryzaki]

leggywillow wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Do you take Fenris into the Fade to save Fenriel in that playthrough?  I do, because yelling at him about giving in to a demon is so much more satisfying when you're already mad at him for leaving you (and stealing your red thong)

Oh I LOVE taking Fenris into the fade. ANd tearing hima  new one afterwards.  I just wish there was a "So ONLY mages are weak against the temptations of deomons huh?  I don't want to hear ONE MORE thing about mages come out of your mouth hypocrit!"

I love doing that too, although a rivaled Fenris doesn't really apologize and blames you for it anyway.

I wish there had been some banter between Fenris and Anders about that.  You get banter after Dissent, where Fenris harasses Anders for not being able to control Justice.  I would have loved to see Anders turn that around on Fenris

Anders: I recall you saying something a while ago...
Fenris: Shut up
Anders: Killing people not at the behest of a demon.  Wasn't that what you said?
Fenris: So help me...

Oh this would've been perfect. 

[SurelyForth]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Anyone getting Avast malware alert popups while trying to post in this thread, or read it? I am, but only just today. It complains about some *.gzip infecting some script, or something, but the error message doesn't fit so I can't read it all. Anyone know what's up? Should I ask an admin?

A friend of mine just commented that Avast had just gotten over-zealous on her.

leggywillow wrote...
Anders: I recall you saying something a while ago...
Fenris: Shut up
Anders: Killing people not at the behest of a demon.  Wasn't that what you said?
Fenris: So help me...

Yes!

Modifié par SurelyForth, 11 avril 2011 - 07:43 .

[YamiSnuffles]

shiba5 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

I like bringing Anders to the Fade, it was good to see Justice, even tho he's a bit more grumpy now.

And if you ask him if he's Anders, you get rivalry points.

This seems variable. I always have him maxed in friendship so I don't get to see it, but my husband definitely got friend points when he took Anders into the fade.

Also, not to disrupt serious discussion, but I saw this and it was too cute.



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[Aynslie]

leggywillow wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Do you take Fenris into the Fade to save Fenriel in that playthrough?  I do, because yelling at him about giving in to a demon is so much more satisfying when you're already mad at him for leaving you (and stealing your red thong)

Oh I LOVE taking Fenris into the fade. ANd tearing hima  new one afterwards.  I just wish there was a "So ONLY mages are weak against the temptations of deomons huh?  I don't want to hear ONE MORE thing about mages come out of your mouth hypocrit!"

I love doing that too, although a rivaled Fenris doesn't really apologize and blames you for it anyway.

I wish there had been some banter between Fenris and Anders about that.  You get banter after Dissent, where Fenris harasses Anders for not being able to control Justice.  I would have loved to see Anders turn that around on Fenris

Anders: I recall you saying something a while ago...
Fenris: Shut up
Anders: Killing people not at the behest of a demon.  Wasn't that what you said?
Fenris: So help me...

LOL!  This is awesome!  I so wish this banter would have been in game.