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[Jean]

Aynslie wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

It was a completely hopeless fight out in the street.  Once the temps stormed the gallows and began slaughtering the mages did orsino lose enough hope of surviving the battle that he flips out.  

The problem is that the gameplay and story are completely separate from each other.  If the GAMEPLAY involved Hawke and co getting the crap kicked out of them by endless waves of elite templars, it'd make more sense.  But as it is, Hawke and co can own the templars flooding into the central chamber of the Gallows, and Orsino still acts like they're all gonna die.

Honestly, I just kite the templars until Orsino's Harvester thing triggers.  The whole scene makes infinitely more sense that way.

Oh absolutely.  The combat and the story isn't in sync here.  Hawke can clearly kill all of those templars, but the story indicates that the Templars are slaughtering all the mages and they are somehow losing the fight.  I go with the story because that is what is being told...even though I have no doubt that my Hawke and her 7 or so companions can easily take an army of Templars down.  

Honestly I don't see how those mages were having so much trouble because templars go down easily by my mage (non-bloodmagic).  Hawke is like the only mage in all of thedas not affected by templar abilities.

It feels the same with abominations. They're supposed to be these horrifying atrocities yet you can take them down a dime a dozen.

[Aynslie]

thenyxie wrote...

Does anyone know what happens if Hawke decides to use the "Hey, I'm a mage" option while talking to Cullen?

I believe Carver tells Hawke that "now is not the time"  or something to that effect.  

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Mr.House wrote...

If anything I still regret helping Mother Patrice, even Anders was mad at her.

To be fair you can't not help her.

All aboard the choo-choo train.

[Sable Rhapsody]

thenyxie wrote...

Does anyone know what happens if Hawke decides to use the "Hey, I'm a mage" option while talking to Cullen?

That dialogue option and the "I'm a mage!" dialogue with the Arvaraad during Shepherding Wolves made me WAT.  I mean, I know there aren't dire in-game consequences, but this is Act 1 before Hawke gets story immunity.  Why in the WORLD would you inform templars or qunari that you're a mage? <_<

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Batteries wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

It was a completely hopeless fight out in the street.  Once the temps stormed the gallows and began slaughtering the mages did orsino lose enough hope of surviving the battle that he flips out.  

The problem is that the gameplay and story are completely separate from each other.  If the GAMEPLAY involved Hawke and co getting the crap kicked out of them by endless waves of elite templars, it'd make more sense.  But as it is, Hawke and co can own the templars flooding into the central chamber of the Gallows, and Orsino still acts like they're all gonna die.

Honestly, I just kite the templars until Orsino's Harvester thing triggers.  The whole scene makes infinitely more sense that way.

Oh absolutely.  The combat and the story isn't in sync here.  Hawke can clearly kill all of those templars, but the story indicates that the Templars are slaughtering all the mages and they are somehow losing the fight.  I go with the story because that is what is being told...even though I have no doubt that my Hawke and her 7 or so companions can easily take an army of Templars down.  

Honestly I don't see how those mages were having so much trouble because templars go down easily by my mage (non-bloodmagic).  Hawke is like the only mage in all of thedas not affected by templar abilities.

It feels the same with abominations. They're supposed to be these horrifying atrocities yet you can take them down a dime a dozen.

Clearly Hawke took some monster hunting tips from Geralt.

[Aynslie]

Batteries wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

It was a completely hopeless fight out in the street.  Once the temps stormed the gallows and began slaughtering the mages did orsino lose enough hope of surviving the battle that he flips out.  

The problem is that the gameplay and story are completely separate from each other.  If the GAMEPLAY involved Hawke and co getting the crap kicked out of them by endless waves of elite templars, it'd make more sense.  But as it is, Hawke and co can own the templars flooding into the central chamber of the Gallows, and Orsino still acts like they're all gonna die.

Honestly, I just kite the templars until Orsino's Harvester thing triggers.  The whole scene makes infinitely more sense that way.

Oh absolutely.  The combat and the story isn't in sync here.  Hawke can clearly kill all of those templars, but the story indicates that the Templars are slaughtering all the mages and they are somehow losing the fight.  I go with the story because that is what is being told...even though I have no doubt that my Hawke and her 7 or so companions can easily take an army of Templars down.  

Honestly I don't see how those mages were having so much trouble because templars go down easily by my mage (non-bloodmagic).  Hawke is like the only mage in all of thedas not affected by templar abilities.

It feels the same with abominations. They're supposed to be these horrifying atrocities yet you can take them down a dime a dozen.

oh yea.  I don't see how you can hear stories of an abomination going on a killing rampage and killing 70 people before it is taken down, and then have Hawke killing a handful of them on the weekend with a few demons thrown in.  I mean the hardest battle for my Mage Hawke was the legendary duel with the Arishok.  Thank the Maker for Dog.

[nyxocity]

Batteries wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

Does anyone know what happens if Hawke decides to use the "Hey, I'm a mage" option while talking to Cullen?

"Not all mages are like that!!"/"I have friends who are mages, are you saying they need to be locked up and watched?"

Huh. Because my character has used both of those phrases, but I never clicked on the "I'm a mage" option. Weird.

[YamiSnuffles]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

"No good deed goes unpunished" should have been the subtitle for this game.XD

Or "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

Or "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."  Honestly, anything suitably depressing and misanthropic would work 

DA2 would make the best little kids' book ever.

"Meet your friend Mary. She wants your help fixing an antique mirror... oops, you just killed all her family and friends.

Here's your friend Izzy. Izzy just loves rare books. Why don't you help her with her book collection... oops, you helped start a war.

Oh, look, it's your good friend Andy. He needs you to help him make some special medicine that will make him all better... oops, it was actually a giant poop bomb."

And so on, and so forth. The moral for kids is, don't help anyone. Most of all, don't help your friends because they're probably the worst people of all.

[_Somebody]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

"No good deed goes unpunished" should have been the subtitle for this game.XD

Or "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

Or "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."  Honestly, anything suitably depressing and misanthropic would work 

DA2 would make the best little kids' book ever.

"Meet your friend Mary. She wants your help fixing an antique mirror... oops, you just killed all her family and friends.

Here's your friend Izzy. Izzy just loves rare books. Why don't you help her with her book collection... oops, you helped start a war.

Oh, look, it's your good friend Andy. He needs you to help him make some special medicine that will make him all better... oops, it was actually a giant poop bomb."

And so on, and so forth. The moral for kids is, don't help anyone. Most of all, don't help your friends because they're probably the worst people of all.

 Well said. Im saving this quote.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

"No good deed goes unpunished" should have been the subtitle for this game.XD

Or "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

Or "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."  Honestly, anything suitably depressing and misanthropic would work 

DA2 would make the best little kids' book ever.

"Meet your friend Mary. She wants your help fixing an antique mirror... oops, you just killed all her family and friends.

Here's your friend Izzy. Izzy just loves rare books. Why don't you help her with her book collection... oops, you helped start a war.

Oh, look, it's your good friend Andy. He needs you to help him make some special medicine that will make him all better... oops, it was actually a giant poop bomb."

And so on, and so forth. The moral for kids is, don't help anyone. Most of all, don't help your friends because they're probably the worst people of all.

It would help them cope with the bitter disappointment life brings later on.

[Dunizel]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

DA2 would make the best little kids' book ever.

"Meet your friend Mary. She wants your help fixing an antique mirror... oops, you just killed all her family and friends.

Here's your friend Izzy. Izzy just loves rare books. Why don't you help her with her book collection... oops, you helped start a war.

Oh, look, it's your good friend Andy. He needs you to help him make some special medicine that will make him all better... oops, it was actually a giant poop bomb."

And so on, and so forth. The moral for kids is, don't help anyone. Most of all, don't help your friends because they're probably the worst people of all.

ROFL

[leggywillow]

YamiSnuffles wrote...
And so on, and so forth. The moral for kids is, don't help anyone. Most of all, don't help your friends because they're probably the worst people of all.

Quoted for SO MUCH TRUTH.

[nyxocity]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

Does anyone know what happens if Hawke decides to use the "Hey, I'm a mage" option while talking to Cullen?

That dialogue option and the "I'm a mage!" dialogue with the Arvaraad during Shepherding Wolves made me WAT.  I mean, I know there aren't dire in-game consequences, but this is Act 1 before Hawke gets story immunity.  Why in the WORLD would you inform templars or qunari that you're a mage? <_<

I wasn't worried about the Qunari on my first play through--to the point of being all, "Hey, Anders is a mage, no big deal." Little did I know how that would turn out. But to tell the TEMPLARS? It seems so stupid and suicidal.

[nekhbet]

There was this brilliant blog post that explored the reasons why the templars don't arrest a mage Hawke... The link was posted, well, maybe some 50 pages ago, lol. Kirkwaller's guide to social justice or something. Anyone got the link at hand?

[Camilladilla]

TS2Aggie wrote...

Camilladilla wrote...

Does anyone have that chantry jenga pic? The one where it's going kablooy and there's text on the bottom that reads jenga?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/DownedAngel/jenga.jpg

YES! Thank you! 

[Aynslie]

YamiSnuffles wrote...


DA2 would make the best little kids' book ever.

"Meet your friend Mary. She wants your help fixing an antique mirror... oops, you just killed all her family and friends.

Here's your friend Izzy. Izzy just loves rare books. Why don't you help her with her book collection... oops, you helped start a war.

Oh, look, it's your good friend Andy. He needs you to help him make some special medicine that will make him all better... oops, it was actually a giant poop bomb."

And so on, and so forth. The moral for kids is, don't help anyone. Most of all, don't help your friends because they're probably the worst people of all.

Move over Grimm Brothers Bioware has the horribly inappropriate fairy tales covered!

Modifié par Aynslie, 11 avril 2011 - 09:36 .

[TripLight]

thenyxie wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

Does anyone know what happens if Hawke decides to use the "Hey, I'm a mage" option while talking to Cullen?

That dialogue option and the "I'm a mage!" dialogue with the Arvaraad during Shepherding Wolves made me WAT.  I mean, I know there aren't dire in-game consequences, but this is Act 1 before Hawke gets story immunity.  Why in the WORLD would you inform templars or qunari that you're a mage? <_<

I wasn't worried about the Qunari on my first play through--to the point of being all, "Hey, Anders is a mage, no big deal." Little did I know how that would turn out. But to tell the TEMPLARS? It seems so stupid and suicidal.

Well it is justifiable...to a bat-**** insane Hawke, but I digress.

*runs back to trolling Yahoo! articles*

[Camilladilla]

thenyxie wrote...

I wasn't worried about the Qunari on my first play through--to the point of being all, "Hey, Anders is a mage, no big deal." Little did I know how that would turn out. But to tell the TEMPLARS? It seems so stupid and suicidal.

I figured I'd be killing the Qunari and looting their still warm carcasses by the end of the convo, so I had no problems letting the cat outta the bag and chose the Anders option for shiz and giggles.

Then I decided to tell Cullen that I was a mage to trollface him.

[ipgd]

Aynslie wrote...

oh yea.  I don't see how you can hear stories of an abomination going on a killing rampage and killing 70 people before it is taken down, and then have Hawke killing a handful of them on the weekend with a few demons thrown in.  I mean the hardest battle for my Mage Hawke was the legendary duel with the Arishok.  Thank the Maker for Dog.

I'm going to go ahead and blame Varric for the gameplay-narrative disconnect.

[nodice]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Oh hey, my picture is at the top. Exciting! =D

That piece of art of yours is gorgeous. I've been meaning to say that earlier, but I forgot. Absolutely amazing.

[mellifera]

Camilladilla wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

I wasn't worried about the Qunari on my first play through--to the point of being all, "Hey, Anders is a mage, no big deal." Little did I know how that would turn out. But to tell the TEMPLARS? It seems so stupid and suicidal.

I figured I'd be killing the Qunari and looting their still warm carcasses by the end of the convo, so I had no problems letting the cat outta the bag and chose the Anders option for shiz and giggles.

Then I decided to tell Cullen that I was a mage to trollface him.

I like telling the Qunari I'm a mage because Anders is all like "OOOH OOOH ME TOO". 

[Aynslie]

ipgd wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

oh yea.  I don't see how you can hear stories of an abomination going on a killing rampage and killing 70 people before it is taken down, and then have Hawke killing a handful of them on the weekend with a few demons thrown in.  I mean the hardest battle for my Mage Hawke was the legendary duel with the Arishok.  Thank the Maker for Dog.

I'm going to go ahead and blame Varric for the gameplay-narrative disconnect.

Yea alot of that can be explained away as Varric embelishing the awesomeness of Hawke.

[SurelyForth]

nekhbet wrote...

There was this brilliant blog post that explored the reasons why the templars don't arrest a mage Hawke... The link was posted, well, maybe some 50 pages ago, lol. Kirkwaller's guide to social justice or something. Anyone got the link at hand?

It was great, and it pointed out a lot of things in this game that it just does not get credit for. Even the whole plot immunity for mages is covered by the fact that everyone knows Hawke and/or Hawke's friends are mages, but they let it slide because Hawke is either more beneficial as an ally or is protected by social status.Hawke is willing to take care of all the **** that needs to get done but nobody else is willing to touch. 

I mean, the Wardens had a bounty on them in DAO and only the refugees in Lothering tried to collect. Otherwise they were free to "I'M A WARDEN!" all over the place, and they also had mages and qunari and **** in tow. 

RE: Story Disconnect

Someone on another forum decided to handwave the enemies materializing from nowhere as Varric being the worst DM in the world. So basically, he's telling Cassandra these stories of EPIC BATTLES and he just doesn't know when to stop.

Varric: That's when ten more bandits fell out of the sky!
Varric: And four of them exploded into abominations. The flamey kind that disappear as soon as you get to them and then attack your mages!
Hawke: Goddammit, Varric.
Cassandra: 

Modifié par SurelyForth, 11 avril 2011 - 09:49 .

[BlastedLands]

yukidama wrote...



I like telling the Qunari I'm a mage because Anders is all like "OOOH OOOH ME TOO". 

he does that? cute^_^

[YamiSnuffles]

nodice wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Oh hey, my picture is at the top. Exciting! =D

That piece of art of yours is gorgeous. I've been meaning to say that earlier, but I forgot. Absolutely amazing.

Aw, thanks so much.