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[Amondra]

Kawamura wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

You guuuuuys, hilarious quote from Awakening!Anders in the Silverite mine:

"That ballista is conveniently placed, isn’t it? Well, I’m always up for a spot of iconoclasm!"

DOHOHOHOHO, Anders!  You tried to tell us all along!

DDDDDD:

He has the power of foresight?

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Modifié par Amondra, 12 avril 2011 - 12:00 .

[shiba5]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

"No good deed goes unpunished" should have been the subtitle for this game.XD

Or "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

Or "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."  Honestly, anything suitably depressing and misanthropic would work 

DA2 would make the best little kids' book ever.

"Meet your friend Mary. She wants your help fixing an antique mirror... oops, you just killed all her family and friends.

Here's your friend Izzy. Izzy just loves rare books. Why don't you help her with her book collection... oops, you helped start a war.

Oh, look, it's your good friend Andy. He needs you to help him make some special medicine that will make him all better... oops, it was actually a giant poop bomb."

And so on, and so forth. The moral for kids is, don't help anyone. Most of all, don't help your friends because they're probably the worst people of all.

OMG, I hate this game now.

[Aynslie]

Ah several pages back we were discussing at what time of the day Anders blows the Chantry. I just loaded my last game after the chantry goes boom and it says my Warrior Hawke is at "The Docks(night)". So the bombing happens at night when the chantry would be the most deserted of regular citizens. Just wanted to throw that in there.

[Amondra]

Aynslie wrote...

Ah several pages back we were discussing at what time of the day Anders blows the Chantry. I just loaded my last game after the chantry goes boom and it says my Warrior Hawke is at "The Docks(night)". So the bombing happens at night when the chantry would be the most deserted of regular citizens. Just wanted to throw that in there.

See Anders is that much of a mass murderer...he had commen sense to wait until dark...Or Justice did...both.  Eh eh whatever your opinion on that matter is.

[AquilaChrysaetos86]

Aynslie wrote...

Ah several pages back we were discussing at what time of the day Anders blows the Chantry. I just loaded my last game after the chantry goes boom and it says my Warrior Hawke is at "The Docks(night)". So the bombing happens at night when the chantry would be the most deserted of regular citizens. Just wanted to throw that in there.

There's a video of Rival!Anders where he says 'It's nearly midnight' ominously. Would link it but I am weak and sleep beckons!

Edited to add: Just quickly. I'm almost certain you can't enter the Chantry at night (except for sneaking in during plot relevant quests). So it was probably closed and everyone was sleeping.

Modifié par AquilaChrysaetos86, 12 avril 2011 - 12:04 .

[Dasha Dreyson]

Amondra wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

Ah several pages back we were discussing at what time of the day Anders blows the Chantry. I just loaded my last game after the chantry goes boom and it says my Warrior Hawke is at "The Docks(night)". So the bombing happens at night when the chantry would be the most deserted of regular citizens. Just wanted to throw that in there.

See Anders is that much of a mass murderer...he had commen sense to wait until dark...Or Justice did...both.  Eh eh whatever your opinion on that matter is.

There are also seven people visible in that scene (that I could see). Two templars, four chantry members, and Elthina.

[ipgd]

AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

Ah several pages back we were discussing at what time of the day Anders blows the Chantry. I just loaded my last game after the chantry goes boom and it says my Warrior Hawke is at "The Docks(night)". So the bombing happens at night when the chantry would be the most deserted of regular citizens. Just wanted to throw that in there.

There's a video of Rival!Anders where he says 'It's nearly midnight' ominously. Would link it but I am weak and sleep beckons!

but it's just a metaphorrrr considering you can get this conversation at pretty much any stage of act III

[Aynslie]

AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

Ah several pages back we were discussing at what time of the day Anders blows the Chantry. I just loaded my last game after the chantry goes boom and it says my Warrior Hawke is at "The Docks(night)". So the bombing happens at night when the chantry would be the most deserted of regular citizens. Just wanted to throw that in there.

There's a video of Rival!Anders where he says 'It's nearly midnight' ominously. Would link it but I am weak and sleep beckons!

ppl were arguing that the midnight thing was a metaphor and not an actual time.  There were also arguements that it was day time when the bomb goes off.

[Amondra]

Dasha Dreyson wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

Ah several pages back we were discussing at what time of the day Anders blows the Chantry. I just loaded my last game after the chantry goes boom and it says my Warrior Hawke is at "The Docks(night)". So the bombing happens at night when the chantry would be the most deserted of regular citizens. Just wanted to throw that in there.

See Anders is that much of a mass murderer...he had commen sense to wait until dark...Or Justice did...both.  Eh eh whatever your opinion on that matter is.

There are also seven people visible in that scene (that I could see). Two templars, four chantry members, and Elthina.

Minor details   But yeah, I mean that atleast he didn't do when there would be the most people in it.  Sort of keeping the innocent death to a smaller amount.

[shiba5]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Batteries wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

I'll admit, that bit with the Qunari was the one thing to really bring the troll out of my diplomatic Hawke. I knew it would end badly, but I really couldn't resist her bringing up that Anders was a mage and he was a swell guy.

I felt like an ass being a mage and only pointing out that Anders was a mage.

Haha, I didn't know you could do that. I haven't played a mage yet. That's pretty hilarious though.

Heh, I had Merrill too and she will pipe up as well.

[leggywillow]

Amondra wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

You guuuuuys, hilarious quote from Awakening!Anders in the Silverite mine:

"That ballista is conveniently placed, isn’t it? Well, I’m always up for a spot of iconoclasm!"

DOHOHOHOHO, Anders!  You tried to tell us all along!

DDDDDD:

He has the power of foresight?

It turns out iconoclasm is just a hobby for Anders.    The Chantry thing was just his current big project, like building a PC or renovating a classic car.

[Dasha Dreyson]

Amondra wrote...

Dasha Dreyson wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

Ah several pages back we were discussing at what time of the day Anders blows the Chantry. I just loaded my last game after the chantry goes boom and it says my Warrior Hawke is at "The Docks(night)". So the bombing happens at night when the chantry would be the most deserted of regular citizens. Just wanted to throw that in there.

See Anders is that much of a mass murderer...he had commen sense to wait until dark...Or Justice did...both.  Eh eh whatever your opinion on that matter is.

There are also seven people visible in that scene (that I could see). Two templars, four chantry members, and Elthina.

Minor details   But yeah, I mean that atleast he didn't do when there would be the most people in it.  Sort of keeping the innocent death to a smaller amount.

Also I imagine the giant light in the sky warned most of the regular citizens to get indoors while the **** was breaking out. That probably helped lessen civilian deaths.

[Amondra]

Dasha Dreyson wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Dasha Dreyson wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

Ah several pages back we were discussing at what time of the day Anders blows the Chantry. I just loaded my last game after the chantry goes boom and it says my Warrior Hawke is at "The Docks(night)". So the bombing happens at night when the chantry would be the most deserted of regular citizens. Just wanted to throw that in there.

See Anders is that much of a mass murderer...he had commen sense to wait until dark...Or Justice did...both.  Eh eh whatever your opinion on that matter is.

There are also seven people visible in that scene (that I could see). Two templars, four chantry members, and Elthina.

Minor details   But yeah, I mean that atleast he didn't do when there would be the most people in it.  Sort of keeping the innocent death to a smaller amount.

Also I imagine the giant light in the sky warned most of the regular citizens to get indoors while the **** was breaking out. That probably helped lessen civilian deaths.

Yep, unless they were all going "ohh look at the lights."

[Aynslie]

Amondra wrote...

Dasha Dreyson wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

Ah several pages back we were discussing at what time of the day Anders blows the Chantry. I just loaded my last game after the chantry goes boom and it says my Warrior Hawke is at "The Docks(night)". So the bombing happens at night when the chantry would be the most deserted of regular citizens. Just wanted to throw that in there.

See Anders is that much of a mass murderer...he had commen sense to wait until dark...Or Justice did...both.  Eh eh whatever your opinion on that matter is.

There are also seven people visible in that scene (that I could see). Two templars, four chantry members, and Elthina.

Minor details   But yeah, I mean that atleast he didn't do when there would be the most people in it.  Sort of keeping the innocent death to a smaller amount.

My arguement would be that Anders sees the Chantry as a Military target, seeing as how it is the head of the Templar order and not a civilian target, therefore the only "civilians" would be kirkwall citizens.  Since the Chantry is deserted at night Anders/Justiced planned for the Bomb to go off with as little collateral damage as possible.

[Amondra]

leggywillow wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

You guuuuuys, hilarious quote from Awakening!Anders in the Silverite mine:

"That ballista is conveniently placed, isn’t it? Well, I’m always up for a spot of iconoclasm!"

DOHOHOHOHO, Anders!  You tried to tell us all along!

DDDDDD:

He has the power of foresight?

It turns out iconoclasm is just a hobby for Anders.    The Chantry thing was just his current big project, like building a PC or renovating a classic car.

Well at least he has some constructive hobbies.  Hawke could learn from him.

[YamiSnuffles]

I am of the opinion that the "midnight" comment is just a metaphor. Like saying that they're almost to the final hour, or some such. However, I am also pretty sure it is literally night/late evening in that scene since everything after that takes place at night. Which isn't to say he didn't kill a bunch of people (all the Chantry sister who live there and whatever) but I also don't think it was packed with random citizens as the Chantry is closed at night.

[AquilaChrysaetos86]

Aynslie wrote...

AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

Ah several pages back we were discussing at what time of the day Anders blows the Chantry. I just loaded my last game after the chantry goes boom and it says my Warrior Hawke is at "The Docks(night)". So the bombing happens at night when the chantry would be the most deserted of regular citizens. Just wanted to throw that in there.

There's a video of Rival!Anders where he says 'It's nearly midnight' ominously. Would link it but I am weak and sleep beckons!

ppl were arguing that the midnight thing was a metaphor and not an actual time.  There were also arguements that it was day time when the bomb goes off.

Mm, I realise it's most likely a metaphor, but I also take it as a slight hint at the timing. It looks pretty dark to me during those scenes, but again could just be my terrible eyesight! But yeah, that save name is probably more conclusive proof.

Anyway, I just really popped in to spread the joy of RuPaul, so now I must away. *twirls cape*

Night all.

[shiba5]

Dasha Dreyson wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Dasha Dreyson wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

Ah several pages back we were discussing at what time of the day Anders blows the Chantry. I just loaded my last game after the chantry goes boom and it says my Warrior Hawke is at "The Docks(night)". So the bombing happens at night when the chantry would be the most deserted of regular citizens. Just wanted to throw that in there.

See Anders is that much of a mass murderer...he had commen sense to wait until dark...Or Justice did...both.  Eh eh whatever your opinion on that matter is.

There are also seven people visible in that scene (that I could see). Two templars, four chantry members, and Elthina.

Minor details   But yeah, I mean that atleast he didn't do when there would be the most people in it.  Sort of keeping the innocent death to a smaller amount.

Also I imagine the giant light in the sky warned most of the regular citizens to get indoors while the **** was breaking out. That probably helped lessen civilian deaths.

And poop rained from the sky and it was epic.

[Dasha Dreyson]

Oh I agree. The Chantry is the head of a military order and the only ones in that scene are members of the Chantry.

[Poetics124]

Aynslie wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Dasha Dreyson wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Aynslie wrote...

Ah several pages back we were discussing at what time of the day Anders blows the Chantry. I just loaded my last game after the chantry goes boom and it says my Warrior Hawke is at "The Docks(night)". So the bombing happens at night when the chantry would be the most deserted of regular citizens. Just wanted to throw that in there.

See Anders is that much of a mass murderer...he had commen sense to wait until dark...Or Justice did...both.  Eh eh whatever your opinion on that matter is.

There are also seven people visible in that scene (that I could see). Two templars, four chantry members, and Elthina.

Minor details   But yeah, I mean that atleast he didn't do when there would be the most people in it.  Sort of keeping the innocent death to a smaller amount.

My arguement would be that Anders sees the Chantry as a Military target, seeing as how it is the head of the Templar order and not a civilian target, therefore the only "civilians" would be kirkwall citizens.  Since the Chantry is deserted at night Anders/Justiced planned for the Bomb to go off with as little collateral damage as possible.

Yup.  To Anders the Chantry was a military target and the head of the snake in his opinion.  Which is the reason why he doesn't target the Gallows (people go in an out, Circle is there), doesn't go after downtown, and doesn't target Meredith directly.  It's Elthina (no matter how much she denies it) who has the power over the templars that she refuses to use.

[pagerunner]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

I am of the opinion that the "midnight" comment is just a metaphor. Like saying that they're almost to the final hour, or some such. However, I am also pretty sure it is literally night/late evening in that scene since everything after that takes place at night. Which isn't to say he didn't kill a bunch of people (all the Chantry sister who live there and whatever) but I also don't think it was packed with random citizens as the Chantry is closed at night.

It's definitely metaphor, but the first thing I thought when hearing that whole "the clock is ticking; it'll be midnight soon" bit was still, "Uh.... you guys have clocks?  The sort with internal mechanics?   Really?  Where?" 

....NOTE TO SELF: metaphor, metaphor, stop taking it so literally, metaphor.....  

[SidheKate]

pagerunner wrote...

It's definitely metaphor, but the first thing I thought when hearing that whole "the clock is ticking; it'll be midnight soon" bit was still, "Uh.... you guys have clocks?  The sort with internal mechanics?   Really?  Where?" 

....NOTE TO SELF: metaphor, metaphor, stop taking it so literally, metaphor.....  

For the life of me, I will never remember where WoG said so, but they do have clocks.  If I recall, dwarves made them, and that was explained when ... Jowan?... says something about tick-tock.  Bah, it was months ago and my brain is like a sieve.

[CatOfEvilGenius]

Re what time the Chantry got jenga'd, I still vote for day. The cinematic shows daylight coming through the Chantry windows. The sky is overcast, but not a night sky. And why are Orsino and Meredith up and about and arguing if it's night? Why does Orsino want to go see Elthina, if she's tucked in bed? Orsino talks about showing the people what Meredith is doing. Tough to do if they're all asleep too. The map may say Night, but when is that? After the Chantry blows? When the city is in flames? I imagine it took the good people of Kirkwall a couple hours to put up those flaming barricades, so by then it could well be night. Not at the time of the explosion though.

edit:
Re clocks:
Varric says something (during the Deep Roads quest?) about how Orzammar dwarves act all snooty because their ancestor invented a better water clock.  Love little detials like that!

Modifié par CatOfEvilGenius, 12 avril 2011 - 12:23 .

[Amondra]

I agree with the Chantry being a military target, as with the opinions given here it does make sense. It is because of that and also the points about the Grand Cleric, my heart doesn't break as much as it normally would. Though I still wish it could have gone another way. Also I hope that the event calms Justice for a while. as much as I feel for Anders. I feel just as bad for Justice.

[YamiSnuffles]

pagerunner wrote...

It's definitely metaphor, but the first thing I thought when hearing that whole "the clock is ticking; it'll be midnight soon" bit was still, "Uh.... you guys have clocks?  The sort with internal mechanics?   Really?  Where?" 

....NOTE TO SELF: metaphor, metaphor, stop taking it so literally, metaphor.....  

Hahaha. I didn't even think about that. Maybe only Anders has a clock. A magic clock... possibly powered by poop crystals.

Granted, I haven't thought much about that quote in general because I've never gotten it in game.