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#21376
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every time i get my POSTMODERN MEME THEORY BONER going someone's gotta remind me the world just wasn't ready for hideo kojima's genius :crying: 


:lol: 

Ah come on Raiden only got awesome once he became a ninja. And he wears heels. Otacon out awesomes him. OTACON. The nerdy dude who pissed himself when we first saw him. 

*does not withhold MGS2 rant*

noooo whyyy

raiden wasn't supposed to be awesome man the entire poooiiiinntttt was that he was a metaphor for the player/the player's desire to be snake and they just gutted his character for The Mouth Breathers Finally Break Kojima's Spirit and He Gives Them Everything They Want So He Can Stop Making More Metal Gear Solid 4

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ipgd wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ipgd wrote...
every time i get my POSTMODERN MEME THEORY BONER going someone's gotta remind me the world just wasn't ready for hideo kojima's genius :crying: 


:lol: 

Ah come on Raiden only got awesome once he became a ninja. And he wears heels. Otacon out awesomes him. OTACON. The nerdy dude who pissed himself when we first saw him. 

*does not withhold MGS2 rant*

noooo whyyy

raiden wasn't supposed to be awesome man the entire poooiiiinntttt was that he was a metaphor for the player/the player's desire to be snake and they just gutted his character for The Mouth Breathers Finally Break Kojima's Spirit and He Gives Them Everything They Want So He Can Stop Making More Metal Gear Solid 4


And that is why Raiden sucked. And that's why they made him awesome in MGS4. :wizard: 

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The feeling of being swept up by events beyond Hawke's control actually added more depth to the game, I think. No, you don't get to play hero and save the world, but on the other hand it really reinforces that it's not a game about a specific event; it's an interactive biography.

You're this dude or lady or ladydude that is just trying to live your life and deal with the shifting alliances and politics that are going on around you. You aren't always respected, your word isn't always law, and people have their own motivations that they're not always going to tell you about. That is brilliant.

The companion-specific quests really added to this: your friends have their own lives and their own stories where they are at the centre, and even if they ask Hawke for help, it's still about them, not you. That they can betray you at the end if you go against their ideals without earning their trust or respect really reinforces that. It's not necessarily about Hawke, it's just the world seen from Hawke's point of view, and it shifts dramatically if you think, "well, what if the story is really about Merrill and we're just the one along for the ride?"

I'm about equal on feeling connected to both my Wardens and Hawkes. Partly because a good 60% of the game is happening in my own head, I don't feel like the characters are lacking in any way, even when the in-game responses to events or people are otherwise limited, I'm amending them or fleshing them out in my imagination.

Probably the biggest disconnect has hit when going back to DA:O after playing DA2 for a month. The voiced protagonist sticks out like a sore thumb now, as does the lack of a consistent personality. I can still get into the character, but conversations are especially jarring.

I know it's been argued that people feel like Hawke is someone else's character that they're just playing with due to the voice and family, but for me it was no different from playing my Warden. Hawke has a good 20 years of backstory that remains unexplored. We know a bit about the family and that they lived in Lothering for ten years, but I don't see it as being very different from having been stuck in the Circle tower for most of your life and having the game inform you that you have a history with Jowan and Cullen, and are known as a talented mage, or any other backstory.

The voice is certainly a larger issue, but, personally, after thirty hours with the human "sultry" tone, I would mother****ing kill to get Wyatt to voice my mage Warden.

/ramble

Also:

obnoxiousgas wrote...
I'd just like to point out how much improved the murder knife is in this game. I mean, in Origins I had to basically buy that all my characters went around carrying a chef's knife with them. The murder knife is so much sleeker and classier in DA2.

I would actually pay for a replica DA2 murder knife, it's a sweet-looking blade.

Modifié par Threeparts, 12 avril 2011 - 08:20 .


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I really think Raiden ire is due to 2 things: him not being Snake, and MFing Rose. What a harpy.

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I still think MGS4 Raiden was him trolling people, they got what they 'wanted' with heaping helping of homoeroticism and he's a self destructive determinator so it's like, lol U RIKE EET WHAT YOU WANT IS A BROKEN HUSK OF A MAN.

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Yay, the site's back up! Celebrating with a helping of Anders.

Image IPB

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Yay, the site's back up! Celebrating with a helping of Anders.


Mah patch! Where is it? I want to play with Anders!

Edit: That... sounded just as dirty in my head, actually.

Modifié par Mistress Tasharra, 12 avril 2011 - 08:43 .


#21383
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Ryzaki wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ipgd wrote...
every time i get my POSTMODERN MEME THEORY BONER going someone's gotta remind me the world just wasn't ready for hideo kojima's genius :crying: 


:lol: 

Ah come on Raiden only got awesome once he became a ninja. And he wears heels. Otacon out awesomes him. OTACON. The nerdy dude who pissed himself when we first saw him. 

*does not withhold MGS2 rant*

noooo whyyy

raiden wasn't supposed to be awesome man the entire poooiiiinntttt was that he was a metaphor for the player/the player's desire to be snake and they just gutted his character for The Mouth Breathers Finally Break Kojima's Spirit and He Gives Them Everything They Want So He Can Stop Making More Metal Gear Solid 4


And that is why Raiden sucked. And that's why they made him awesome in MGS4. :wizard: 

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The entire point to his character was that he was derpy and lame. He was a commentary on the player's relationship to Snake (i.e. derpy, lame, gets vicarious jollies out of "playing" as Snake, tries to be Snake outside the "game" and fails miserably). Making Raiden "awesome" (turning him into Snake, after he symbolically abandons both the player and Snake to become him own person at the end of the game) sort of defeated the entire purpose of his role in the narrative, and his character assassination was so obviously done to pander to the people who didn't even get Raiden in the first place and aghghghghghghghghghhghghg

Kojima was trolling so hard with that and it baffles me how people completely miss it and unironically accept new!Raiden as an improvement when the core of his appearance in MGS4 was that he had quite literally regressed out of all of his MGS2 character development aaaaaa i even like it when characters get broken BUT NOBODY GETS IT AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW


Pseudocognition wrote...

I still think MGS4 Raiden was him trolling people, they got what they 'wanted' with heaping helping of homoeroticism and he's a self destructive determinator so it's like, lol U RIKE EET WHAT YOU WANT IS A BROKEN HUSK OF A MAN.

The entirety of MGS4 was just Kojima caving in and giving the fans everything they want, but kicking and screaming and trolling the **** out everyone the whole time.

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Yay, the site's back up! Celebrating with a helping of Anders.

<snip>


It makes me ridiculously pleased to find out that picture was prompted by the Letters fills on the kinkmeme. Fabulous stories deserve fabulous art like that!

#21385
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Threeparts wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Yay, the site's back up! Celebrating with a helping of Anders.

<snip>


It makes me ridiculously pleased to find out that picture was prompted by the Letters fills on the kinkmeme. Fabulous stories deserve fabulous art like that!


Yeah, I love that fill.  I will never think of muffins or freckles in quite the same way again.  Kind of like how the Garrus fandom changed strawberries and liquid sugar for me.

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Pseudocognition wrote...

I didn't cry at all during Origins. Take all points in Persuasion and you can get a pretty damn happy ending. Then again I didn't roleplay as much, without a voiced PC I feel like its just a puppet to relay my decisions instead of a character. That's just me tho. I think the most upset I got at Origins was when Alistair dumped my warden and that was a quick enough fix with a last save reload... and comparatively I wasn't that upset.

DA2? I stayed up ridiculously late like ripping my hair out and sniffling and bawwing and ranting to my friend in the car and... yeah.

Thread moves so fastttt


I'm with you on the staying up late and playing, sniffling and bawwing     =)    and the ranting too. The voice really got me hooked to my warden. So far I've only played F!Shep so I guess that I should try out M!Shep sometime soon. Now the gamecomputer at home broke down and I'm completely out of whack. Hopefully I can fix it before the weekend, otherwise there will be great sorrow on my part. Currently I try to meta-game a Hawke who's into Fenris, then when he leaves Anders picks up the pieces. It sounded so wonderful when someone mentioned it in the tread earlier that I have to give it at try!   =)

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Hotness =w=
http://doubleleaf.de...s/1639772&qo=19

#21388
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 Dudes. This is the rockin'-est Anders fanart every conceived of. Ever.

Image IPB

by mentharvensis  - http://mentharvensis...nte-A-204585433



Christ I can't do links at 4 am.

Modifié par Kolotosa, 12 avril 2011 - 08:59 .


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SilentK wrote...

I'm with you on the staying up late and playing, sniffling and bawwing     =)    and the ranting too. The voice really got me hooked to my warden. So far I've only played F!Shep so I guess that I should try out M!Shep sometime soon. Now the gamecomputer at home broke down and I'm completely out of whack. Hopefully I can fix it before the weekend, otherwise there will be great sorrow on my part. Currently I try to meta-game a Hawke who's into Fenris, then when he leaves Anders picks up the pieces. It sounded so wonderful when someone mentioned it in the tread earlier that I have to give it at try!   =)


I don't think I've ever cried per se over a video game.  I think DA2 tends to provoke more of the OMG THIS ISN'T HAPPENING and the rage instead of the sniffling.  Though I was so dumbstruck by the way Leandra dies that I think I honestly felt beyond tears.  I was just numb at that point.  Then Anders turned up, and I got a bit teary.

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LoneWolf4191 wrote...

Hotness =w=
http://doubleleaf.de...s/1639772&qo=19


That's is... the greatest thing to wake up to. Yup.

Well, unless you're a Templar I suppose.

<3

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Mistress Tasharra wrote...

LoneWolf4191 wrote...

Hotness =w=
http://doubleleaf.de...s/1639772&qo=19


That's is... the greatest thing to wake up to. Yup.

Well, unless you're a Templar I suppose.

<3


The Templars are smited by his smexyness XD lol

#21392
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I felt much more involved with my Hawke than my Warden. I'm actually writing about my Hawke for Maker's sake. I've not done that since I stopped doing tabletop RP.

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LoneWolf4191 wrote...

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

LoneWolf4191 wrote...

Hotness =w=
http://doubleleaf.de...s/1639772&qo=19


That's is... the greatest thing to wake up to. Yup.

Well, unless you're a Templar I suppose.

<3


The Templars are smited by his smexyness XD lol


"Maker knows I could use a good smiting right about now..."

Thank you, Isabela, for making me never able to look at the word smite or smiting again without associating it with dirty, kinky things.

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Kolotosa wrote...

 Dudes. This is the rockin'-est Anders fanart every conceived of. Ever.



by mentharvensis  - http://mentharvensis...nte-A-204585433



Christ I can't do links at 4 am.





Theres so much awesome in that image I don't even know where to begin.

#21395
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Mistress Tasharra wrote...

LoneWolf4191 wrote...

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

LoneWolf4191 wrote...

Hotness =w=
http://doubleleaf.de...s/1639772&qo=19


That's is... the greatest thing to wake up to. Yup.

Well, unless you're a Templar I suppose.

<3


The Templars are smited by his smexyness XD lol


"Maker knows I could use a good smiting right about now..."

Thank you, Isabela, for making me never able to look at the word smite or smiting again without associating it with dirty, kinky things.


>D Yes....

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LoneWolf4191 wrote...

...snip...

>D Yes....


Is it wrong that a Justiceified (Justified? lawl) Anders with the glowing eyes makes me squee with happyness?

Dammit, we're not supposed to find possessed mages [abominations] sexy! GAH!

#21397
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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

SilentK wrote...

I'm with you on the staying up late and playing, sniffling and bawwing     =)    and the ranting too. The voice really got me hooked to my warden. So far I've only played F!Shep so I guess that I should try out M!Shep sometime soon. Now the gamecomputer at home broke down and I'm completely out of whack. Hopefully I can fix it before the weekend, otherwise there will be great sorrow on my part. Currently I try to meta-game a Hawke who's into Fenris, then when he leaves Anders picks up the pieces. It sounded so wonderful when someone mentioned it in the tread earlier that I have to give it at try!   =)


I don't think I've ever cried per se over a video game.  I think DA2 tends to provoke more of the OMG THIS ISN'T HAPPENING and the rage instead of the sniffling.  Though I was so dumbstruck by the way Leandra dies that I think I honestly felt beyond tears.  I was just numb at that point.  Then Anders turned up, and I got a bit teary.


Leandra... jupp. That got my quite teary-eyed. Damn they hit me hard with that one. For my first Hawke that I played blind it ended with Fenris coming by that just had dumped her. Poor little Hawke ended up with adorable Merrill on that game    =)   which was a total surprise to me. I completely agree on the OMG THIS ISN'T HAPPENING-feeling. I remember feeling that the world was spiraling out of control, how it feelt less and less stable. That finishing thing with the Kunari, Aveline comes to get the elves. I was so tense during that scene. I just had the feeling of "Oh no, please don't fight. I do not know how to fix this. What the hell am I going to do now". After reading too much in advance on DA:O I always try to play the first game blind. It can lead to some surprising things and that you don't always get exactly what you want... gah ... Fenris. I have yet to romance him until Act 3. I guess it's just how I roleplay my Hawkes. They go in just trying to keep their family ok and get on with their lives. Then the world around them goes kaputt and they are left to try to pick up the pieces best they can. Ehh.... this just got a lot longer than I thought   =)   guess that not being able to play until my computer get's well leave me too much forum time. Back to the Anders thing     =)

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Mistress Tasharra wrote...

LoneWolf4191 wrote...

...snip...

>D Yes....


Is it wrong that a Justiceified (Justified? lawl) Anders with the glowing eyes makes me squee with happyness?

Dammit, we're not supposed to find possessed mages [abominations] sexy! GAH!


Ah, but abomination babies are all the rage :D
Flemeth approves.... you know you want to.... lol

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LoneWolf4191 wrote...

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

LoneWolf4191 wrote...

...snip...

>D Yes....


Is it wrong that a Justiceified (Justified? lawl) Anders with the glowing eyes makes me squee with happyness?

Dammit, we're not supposed to find possessed mages [abominations] sexy! GAH!


Ah, but abomination babies are all the rage :D
Flemeth approves.... you know you want to.... lol


And the voice. Let's not forget the absolute sex to the ears that is Justice's voice. His voice in Awakening was awesome, but in DAII?

*Dies*

I swear that my obsession with Justice is second only to my obsession with Anders. Really.

Anyways...

#21400
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Mistress Tasharra wrote...

Is it wrong that a Justiceified (Justified? lawl) Anders with the glowing eyes makes me squee with happyness?

Dammit, we're not supposed to find possessed mages [abominations] sexy! GAH!


I saw the glowing eyes in Anders' first release picture for DA2.  My first thought was definitely not, "Hmm, what happened to Anders?"  It was more like "DAAAAAMN, Anders!" :D

I happen to think the glowing is incredibly sexy.  A bit wrong?  Yes.  But HAWT DAMN.