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[shiba5]

Ryzaki wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Hopefully BW will not make DA3 as railroaded and the next protagonist as hands off and being led around by other people. It creates (for some people) a disconnect and a made me wonder why the hell was I playing.

To have your feelings manipulated and torn to shreds? Well, that's why I play anyway. :happy:

Yeah my feelings weren't manipulated and torn to shreds though. 

It doesn't elp that at end game it felt less like grey grey and more like "everyone's lost their minds/were douchebags to begin with." 

Orsino could've gone without the harvester moment. (Hell I would've loved if you only could find out he was a BM on the Templar ending) and Meredith could've gone without flipping out completely due to the idol. (Or at least take that ridculous ninja jumping around out.) It was hard to take the game seriously once I hit that moment. 

I agree with you about Orsino. That was just weird - like they needed another boss fight. It would have made more sense to fight Cullen. Meredith was eh... the second time I played through I tried to kill her with a console command and wow, that pissed her off big time. If you want her to stay on the ground and beat the snot out of you, try it. She was unpeelable, and she womped me good.
But Anders looks like my husband - emotional gut punch x100.
That may have colored my impressions somewhat.

I'm at the top AGAIN and I don't have any new Anders.

edit: I'll put him on his time out box again...

Modifié par shiba5, 12 avril 2011 - 12:52 .

[phantomdragoness]

Camilladilla wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Hopefully BW will not make DA3 as railroaded and the next protagonist as hands off and being led around by other people. It creates (for some people) a disconnect and a made me wonder why the hell was I playing.

To have your feelings manipulated and torn to shreds? Well, that's why I play anyway. :happy:

Pretty much this for me. Colour me a masochist, but I loved the emotional punches the game threw my way. Not just the obvious bits with Leandra or the chantry jenga, but even quests like Shepherding Wolves had me feeling torn and upset. Nothing in DAO ever came close to the level of emotional manipulation DA2 had on me.

There were so many times in the game I had to pause and think VERY carefully about the choice I was going to make. And when Anders asked for my help, I knew it was suspicious - I could either submit to my morals and say no, OR, I could submit to my heart and help him. Either choice would have landed the same outcome, but I don't regret going with my heart in this matter - because it was all about loyalty there, and accepting responsibility with him instead of standing back is more fulfilling. Standing back and just allowing something to happen makes me feel cheap in what I believe, and I would rather be in trouble with Anders than be another outsider. Granted, I didn't really help him make this bomb, but I collected the ingredients with him - I considered myself a part of the process. When Hawke said: "Then we'll be figitives together" it really struck a cord in me.

[upsettingshorts]

If Anders had just killed Elthina my posts would probly change to reflect how people would likely be trying to dance around the label of "assassin."

[Ryzaki]

@Camilladilla: why did Sheparding wolves upset you?

[shiba5]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

If Anders had just killed Elthina my posts would probly change to reflect how people would likely be trying to dance around the label of "assassin."

People don't seem to have a problem with that though - at least in these games. Anyone really have a problem with Zev? Fenris? Hawke? My Hawke was technically an assassin.
"Terrorist" is a very loaded term however.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Ryzaki wrote...

Hey now! The HN and DN didn't come from nothing. 

True, but they had it taken away from them and had to start from scratch.

I dunno about the experienced character bit. If that's the case I do want to start off the game fairly young. (Like Hawke's age in the beginning of DA2). Though being an Orlesian noble wouldn't be so bad. As long as the PC isn't voiced. I don't want to sound like Riordan. (not that he has a bad voice but still...). 

It'd be nice to have a choice of voices, but that'd probably take too much time for a fully voiced protagonist.
That was one of my only complaints about Awakening actually: Why did the Orlesian Warden not have an accent?

Modifié par Dreaming-in-Shadow, 12 avril 2011 - 12:58 .

[leggywillow]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

In DA2 the "why" matters. In DAO the "why" was irrelevant.

DAO hid nothing. Except personality.

Oh Shorts.  You can say anything you like and it will always make me smile because I get to see RON EFFIN' SWANSON.  Who I love.

I do agree with this though.  The "why" is important in DA2, which I liked.

[Dasha Dreyson]

shiba5 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

If Anders had just killed Elthina my posts would probly change to reflect how people would likely be trying to dance around the label of "assassin."

People don't seem to have a problem with that though - at least in these games. Anyone really have a problem with Zev? Fenris? Hawke? My Hawke was technically an assassin.
"Terrorist" is a very loaded term however.

Zevran even points out the assassin bit in his quest.

[Camilladilla]

Ryzaki wrote...

@Camilladilla: why did Sheparding wolves upset you?

Mainly towards the end when Ketojan was dead set on sacrificing himself and I was trying SO hard with Hawke to argue with him and convince him to try and live free. The cinematics+music+stellar voice acting just blew me away. I took the bait, Bioware had me believing that Hawke would free Ketojan and maybe make a Qunari mage friend along the way. 

Persuasion? Naaaah, I can live without it.

[Ryzaki]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
True, but they had it taken away from them and had to start from scratch.

Ah that is true. 

Then again if I'm rich and scavanging for equipment I'll quickly grow annoyed. (I did in DA2. During act 2 running low on money made no sense to me). So maybe it's not for that odd gameplay and story segregation? A weak excuse but still. 

It'd be nice to have a choice of voices, but that'd probably take too much time for a fully voiced protagonist.
That was one of my only complaints about Awakening actually: Why did the Orlesian Warden not have an accent?

Ah I assumed the OW had an accent. Just...being unvoiced means you never heard it. Everyone else did though. 

[nekhbet]

Camilladilla wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

@Camilladilla: why did Sheparding wolves upset you?

Mainly towards the end when Ketojan was dead set on sacrificing himself and I was trying SO hard with Hawke to argue with him and convince him to try and live free. The cinematics+music+stellar voice acting just blew me away. I took the bait, Bioware had me believing that Hawke would free Ketojan and maybe make a Qunari mage friend along the way. 

Persuasion? Naaaah, I can live without it.

This would actually be my complaint about a few situations in DA2. The tragedy comes from people you like dying. It .. gets old pretty soon.

Another reason I like Anders so much, his tragedy is succumbing to mental illness. It's a refreshing change from the whole dying business. Carver/Bethany also has the alternative option, which is great (though I just killed Carver for the first time yesterday, despite Anders' suggestion to take him to the Wardens...).

[Ryzaki]

Camilladilla wrote...
Mainly towards the end when Ketojan was dead set on sacrificing himself and I was trying SO hard with Hawke to argue with him and convince him to try and live free. The cinematics+music+stellar voice acting just blew me away. I took the bait, Bioware had me believing that Hawke would free Ketojan and maybe make a Qunari mage friend along the way. 

Persuasion? Naaaah, I can live without it.

Ah. 

I love my Persaude too much. 

That said if you just hand him over to the Qunari and he decides to speak to you. Was he uncollared the whole time? Or did they uncollar him for him to speak to you? I always was bugged about that. Because first I was confused about why they would let him speak if they thought his words could poison Hawke. And why would Ketojan do that to give the other Qunari an excuse to kill Hawke. 

Granted I didn't feel it was tragic. I reacted in a "wat." reaction before moving on. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 avril 2011 - 01:08 .

[Jean]

Kolotosa wrote...

 Dudes. This is the rockin'-est Anders fanart every conceived of. Ever.



by mentharvensis  - http://mentharvensis...nte-A-204585433



Christ I can't do links at 4 am.

An Isabela calendar?

He would have one.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Dasha Dreyson wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

If Anders had just killed Elthina my posts would probly change to reflect how people would likely be trying to dance around the label of "assassin."

People don't seem to have a problem with that though - at least in these games. Anyone really have a problem with Zev? Fenris? Hawke? My Hawke was technically an assassin.
"Terrorist" is a very loaded term however.

Zevran even points out the assassin bit in his quest.

He also makes a point of never regretting a single kill. Which he endlessly points out in Origins. (In a hilarious manner)
(I want to see him angry. Like well and trully pissed-off! That would be both scary, and epic.)

Fenris will happily rip a person's heart out of their chest. Sure, they were bad guys, and they deserved it, but if he killed an innocent without remorse... (I can picture it happening).

It was the part where the Chantry went "boom" with people inside that caused most of the hate, methinks. (That and the fact that Carver has a point regarding the fact that Anders won't shut up about mages. I love him and all, but sheesh. 24/7 ranting, much? (I think that might be Justice's influence))

Probably the effects of the modern world showing through in regards to the "terrorism" outcry

[Threeparts]

I'm curious: did you reach a point in your game where your canon Hawke would have put their foot down and said, "Hey, whoa, hold on a second, I'm getting off this crazy train," and departed from the actual events that transpired? I assume so, since we've discussed before about wanting to get out of Kirkwall after Leandra's death, but what is the specific point where your story would have split from the one written?

For me, my Hawke would have declined the Viscount's request to talk to the Arishok in Act II, with a, "Dude, I'm wearing bracers with -17 to tact and my trusty Boots of Insolence. Are you sure about this?"
She's a nobody who does the occasional odd job because she needs the cash and in absolutely no way is she qualified for the delicate task of negotiating with the frigging Qunari of all people, whether Big Blue asked for her by name or not.

[Camilladilla]

nekhbet wrote...

This would actually be my complaint about a few situations in DA2. The tragedy comes from people you like dying. It .. gets old pretty soon.

Another reason I like Anders so much, his tragedy is succumbing to mental illness. It's a refreshing change from the whole dying business. Carver/Bethany also has the alternative option, which is great (though I just killed Carver for the first time yesterday, despite Anders' suggestion to take him to the Wardens...).

I really didn't care too much about Ketojan. I was trolling my way through his entire quest up until that final moment, but it was just the combination of what I've already mentioned and the sheer helplessness I felt that did it for me. I liked the fact that I couldn't save him in the end, it's a recurring theme throughout the game, sure, but that quest has always stuck out to me and has been one of my favourites ever since.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ah I assumed the OW had an accent. Just...being unvoiced means you never heard it. Everyone else did though. 

I was thinking of battle-cries and such.
Such as the infamous: "Can I get you a ladder, so you can get off my back?"

[shiba5]

nekhbet wrote...

Camilladilla wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

@Camilladilla: why did Sheparding wolves upset you?

Mainly towards the end when Ketojan was dead set on sacrificing himself and I was trying SO hard with Hawke to argue with him and convince him to try and live free. The cinematics+music+stellar voice acting just blew me away. I took the bait, Bioware had me believing that Hawke would free Ketojan and maybe make a Qunari mage friend along the way. 

Persuasion? Naaaah, I can live without it.

This would actually be my complaint about a few situations in DA2. The tragedy comes from people you like dying. It .. gets old pretty soon.

Another reason I like Anders so much, his tragedy is succumbing to mental illness. It's a refreshing change from the whole dying business. Carver/Bethany also has the alternative option, which is great (though I just killed Carver for the first time yesterday, despite Anders' suggestion to take him to the Wardens...).

I wish there had been a bit more at the end. He really wasn't acting as insane as I thought he should have been after all that. Maybe he was going catatonic.

[Ryzaki]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Ah I assumed the OW had an accent. Just...being unvoiced means you never heard it. Everyone else did though. 

I was thinking of battle-cries and such.
Such as the infamous: "Can I get you a ladder, so you can get off my back?"

LOL

Yeah I had a mod to take the combat voice out. It bugged me how the PC would respond to me felt a bit...breaking the 4th wallish. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 avril 2011 - 01:14 .

[SurelyForth]

Threeparts wrote...

I'm curious: did you reach a point in your game where your canon Hawke would have put their foot down and said, "Hey, whoa, hold on a second, I'm getting off this crazy train," and departed from the actual events that transpired? I assume so, since we've discussed before about wanting to get out of Kirkwall after Leandra's death, but what is the specific point where your story would have split from the one written?

For me, my Hawke would have declined the Viscount's request to talk to the Arishok in Act II, with a, "Dude, I'm wearing bracers with -17 to tact and my trusty Boots of Insolence. Are you sure about this?"

She's a nobody who does the occasional odd job because she needs the cash and in absolutely no way is she qualified for the delicate task of negotiating with the frigging Qunari of all people, whether Big Blue asked for her by name or not.

Probably, and along those lines.

But, then again, my Hawke sees purpose in helping the Viscount with the Qunari and it seems a slightly less hopeless task than her other purpose, which is helping her friends be not so insane and self-destructive all the time. I think that she probably justifies having such responsibility placed on her with the knowledge that she's not a real threat to the Arishok and, as such, can't do too much damage.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 12 avril 2011 - 01:16 .

[Dasha Dreyson]

Threeparts wrote...

I'm curious: did you reach a point in your game where your canon Hawke would have put their foot down and said, "Hey, whoa, hold on a second, I'm getting off this crazy train," and departed from the actual events that transpired? I assume so, since we've discussed before about wanting to get out of Kirkwall after Leandra's death, but what is the specific point where your story would have split from the one written?

For me, my Hawke would have declined the Viscount's request to talk to the Arishok in Act II, with a, "Dude, I'm wearing bracers with -17 to tact and my trusty Boots of Insolence. Are you sure about this?"
She's a nobody who does the occasional odd job because she needs the cash and in absolutely no way is she qualified for the delicate task of negotiating with the frigging Qunari of all people, whether Big Blue asked for her by name or not.

Mine would have been around that point, but for a different reason. Mother dearest had her mansion and Hawke's sibling was no longer directly around. This especially made sense with templar Carver who could inherit.

[Camilladilla]

Threeparts wrote...

I'm curious: did you reach a point in your game where your canon Hawke would have put their foot down and said, "Hey, whoa, hold on a second, I'm getting off this crazy train," and departed from the actual events that transpired? I assume so, since we've discussed before about wanting to get out of Kirkwall after Leandra's death, but what is the specific point where your story would have split from the one written?

For me, my Hawke would have declined the Viscount's request to talk to the Arishok in Act II, with a, "Dude, I'm wearing bracers with -17 to tact and my trusty Boots of Insolence. Are you sure about this?"
She's a nobody who does the occasional odd job because she needs the cash and in absolutely no way is she qualified for the delicate task of negotiating with the frigging Qunari of all people, whether Big Blue asked for her by name or not.

Probably when Leandra died. I'm pretty certain if the Hawkes I played weren't so damn loyal to his friends and what remained of his family he would have packed up and left then and there.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Threeparts wrote...

I'm curious: did you reach a point in your game where your canon Hawke would have put their foot down and said, "Hey, whoa, hold on a second, I'm getting off this crazy train," and departed from the actual events that transpired? I assume so, since we've discussed before about wanting to get out of Kirkwall after Leandra's death, but what is the specific point where your story would have split from the one written?

For me, my Hawke would have declined the Viscount's request to talk to the Arishok in Act II, with a, "Dude, I'm wearing bracers with -17 to tact and my trusty Boots of Insolence. Are you sure about this?"
She's a nobody who does the occasional odd job because she needs the cash and in absolutely no way is she qualified for the delicate task of negotiating with the frigging Qunari of all people, whether Big Blue asked for her by name or not.

My Hawke probably stayed because:

Act I - they're broke, and can't really go anywhere else.

Act II - Hawke stays for her mother's sake. After Leandra dies, she stays because she knows it's basically impossible to talk Anders into leaving, and Carver is either absent, or wouldn't listen to her anyway. (She wouldn't leave either behind, since they're all she has)

Act III - Anders.

[silver-crescent]

I never really wanted to leave Kirkwall TBH. Despite all the craziness going on, it's still where Hawke's family, friends and pretty much everyone he knows lives, and Hawke himself obviously settled in very nicely too.

[shiba5]

I wanted to leave, but Anders had to blow up the Chantry first.

Modifié par shiba5, 12 avril 2011 - 01:19 .