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[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Dasha Dreyson wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

I know the feeling.

More often, I wanted to do that to the characters... like Anders, Justice, Fenris, Wynne, Meredith... and hmm... Alistair.
The list could go on.

I think I've wanted to hit everyone at least once. Anders and Fenris though...I wouldn't have minded an Aveline style beatdown on the two of them.  

Seriously, whatever happened to punching out characters for their own good?

Well, I know that after the events of DA2, when they were out of danger, and the initial shock had worn off, Hawke took Anders aside and screamed bloody murder.

Alistair I wanted to punch when I spared Loghain.
Where was my option to smack him around the head and yell:
"You are a Grey Warden, not a bloody child! Man up and accept that this is a neccesity of your frigging duty!"

The annoying LI's (and other sexy NPCs) should all be punished!

...

...yes...

...punished... 

EDIT: Oh sh-
Top of the Page...

er... how do you post pictures?

Modifié par Dreaming-in-Shadow, 12 avril 2011 - 01:47 .

[Camilladilla]

shiba5 wrote...

Camilladilla wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

Hell yes, if there is one complaint I have about this game, it is that there is not enough forced PDA.

Or even just the occasional "hey, we're at home, let's screw like bunnies" option.

Such a missed opportunity.

I was so let down in Act 3 when Anders finally moved in... and never moved from the balcony. WHYYYYYYYY?!!!!!!

edit: He went down to the first floor to insult the dog once.

Sometimes he'd glitch on me and move around the house. It always got me so excited whenever he did since I thought he'd have something new to say to me.

[silver-crescent]

nekhbet wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

I wish there had been a bit more at the end. He really wasn't acting as insane as I thought he should have been after all that. Maybe he was going catatonic.

He was riding high on a psychotic mania not long before, so I'm not surprised that he dropped hard to catatonia once he lost his focus on jenga'ing the Chantry.



Also why I don't get all that "I MARDARED Anders" hate. You killed a shattered and mentally ill individual, who was clearly not in control of himself, not an evil overlord hellbent on destruction of puppies and kittens. Happy now?

Honestly I think Anders's mental health, or lack thereof, by end of the game was left to the player's interpretation.
Was he "shattered, mentally ill and not in control of himself"? I dunno, it certainly didn't feel that way in my playthroughs, especially when taking the friendship route. 

[Mistress Tasharra]

shiba5 wrote...

Camilladilla wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

Hell yes, if there is one complaint I have about this game, it is that there is not enough forced PDA.

Or even just the occasional "hey, we're at home, let's screw like bunnies" option.

Such a missed opportunity.

I was so let down in Act 3 when Anders finally moved in... and never moved from the balcony. WHYYYYYYYY?!!!!!!

edit: He went down to the first floor to insult the dog once.

While I would have loved a "sex/kiss on demand" button, one thing I do love is all the little, subtle hints of what goes on off camera. It gives plenty of opportunity for the imagination to run wild.

And trust me when I say, mine did.

[Dasha Dreyson]

My personal cannon Warden let Alistair kill Loghain. My personal cannon Hawke did not kill Anders and would not have let Seb do it either. They were different characters with drastically different beliefs. I'm still not sure if they'd be friends or enemies if they ever met.

[Ryzaki]

Mistress Tasharra wrote...
Tell me about it. I'd rather deal with another Ferelden civil war than the crazies in Kirkwall.

I mean really. Was it me, or was everyone in Kirkwall "one Archdemon short of a blight?"

Well, besides Hawke and Varric. Then again, just how crazy does Hawke have to be to stick around, and Varric to hang about and write about it, no less.

Yes. I wanna go back to Fereldan. So I can have a mabari.  

And thanks for reminding me of that line. <3 Ah Leliana. You crazy woman you. 

Not to mention Varric's embellishments. Maybe it was the only way he could hold back his insanity. 

No wonder he needed to be stopped for that Hard in Hightown: Siege Harder. 

Though my Wardens almost always (except one or two exceptions) kill Loghain. I have the same rate with sparing Anders. 

I'd probably kill him if not for Justice though. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 avril 2011 - 01:46 .

[shiba5]

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

Camilladilla wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

Hell yes, if there is one complaint I have about this game, it is that there is not enough forced PDA.

Or even just the occasional "hey, we're at home, let's screw like bunnies" option.

Such a missed opportunity.

I was so let down in Act 3 when Anders finally moved in... and never moved from the balcony. WHYYYYYYYY?!!!!!!

edit: He went down to the first floor to insult the dog once.

While I would have loved a "sex/kiss on demand" button, one thing I do love is all the little, subtle hints of what goes on off camera. It gives plenty of opportunity for the imagination to run wild.

And trust me when I say, mine did.

LOL, I had to resort to my imagination.

He moved in and I was like, "All aboard the sexy-times train! choo-choo!"
*click
"We should stay focused on the task at hand."

*click
"You have been a good friend."
:pinched:<_<

Oh and I have NEVER gotten anything other than "PAW prints!" when I click on the bed.

Modifié par shiba5, 12 avril 2011 - 01:49 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

RinjiRenee wrote...

The only way I've been able to justify killing him is a Hawke that has a tendency to murderknife anyway. Anders doesn't learn anything when he dies -- in fact, it seems like that's exactly what he wants. Letting him go and/or killing him if you side with the Templars seems like a better option to me, as he at least sees exactly what he has wrought for a little while. When I let him live with my first play through, he said something like "This... isn't what I had expected," when we were running through Lowtown, and it was strangely satisfying ... It in no way completely made up for what he did, but it was a tiny baby step, at least to me.

I loved that line too. Welcome to the real/mortal world, Justice :B

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 12 avril 2011 - 01:48 .

[nekhbet]

Camilladilla wrote...

I suspect that a lot of these people just can't look past/enjoy a character's flaws. Anders had a lot of strikes against him before the chantry jenga just given all of the threads that crop up about him on these forums.

Absolutely. It's not the killing part I'm puzzled about, there's reasons to knife him in the back... but it's the absolute hatred towards him and the joy people get from kicking someone who's already on the ground, the ritualistic lynching of Anders, that's weird.

And a little scary, because that's exactly the mob mentality that happens when some schizophrenic kills people. Nobody asks what went wrong here that the killings happened in the first place, and people just want to see heads roll. You don't get quite the same reaction when gangs and criminals kill each other and passersby. Mental illness is like the last taboo, and DA2 dived into it headfirst. Which is commendable.

There's so much potential in this, I'm just praying to his noodly greatness that they don't completely drop Anders from future installations. Ramen.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

shiba5 wrote...

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

Camilladilla wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

Hell yes, if there is one complaint I have about this game, it is that there is not enough forced PDA.

Or even just the occasional "hey, we're at home, let's screw like bunnies" option.

Such a missed opportunity.

I was so let down in Act 3 when Anders finally moved in... and never moved from the balcony. WHYYYYYYYY?!!!!!!

edit: He went down to the first floor to insult the dog once.

While I would have loved a "sex/kiss on demand" button, one thing I do love is all the little, subtle hints of what goes on off camera. It gives plenty of opportunity for the imagination to run wild.

And trust me when I say, mine did.

LOL, I had to resort to my imagination.

He moved in and I was like, "All aboard the sexy-times train! choo-choo!"
*click
"We should stay focused on the task at hand."

*click
"You have been a good friend."
:pinched:<_<

I got a slight glitch once which made Hawke and Anders look like they were kissing and doing something very innapropriate in the middle of Hightown... 

So apparently the characters dissaprove as well. XD

Modifié par Dreaming-in-Shadow, 12 avril 2011 - 01:50 .

[Threeparts]

Playing through Broken Circle now, and I wonder if Anders felt at all inspired by Uldred's Libertarian ideology or efforts to free the Ferelden Circle. Uldred tried to convince the Circle to support Loghain in order to seek separation from the chantry, but Loghaine's action at Ostagar rather put a damper on that, so Uldred felt it necessary to resort to violence.
I'm sure Anders would have been disgusted by the blood magic aspect, but the idea of forcing a change that the wounded Blood Mage speaks of really seems to resonate with his views.
Although he's shocked to find out that the College of Magi are meeting in Cumberland to discuss separation in Awakening, I can't help but think that after the possession he may have looked back at what Uldred tried to do before it all went wrong and sought to apply the same methods in Kirkwall.

[YamiSnuffles]

Going back a bit since it takes a while to catch up on what I missed while asleep...

The first time I played, my Hawke told people she wanted to go back to Ferelden every chance she had. That is, until Anders moved in. Once she was seriously involved with Anders, she couldn't leave because she knew she couldn't get him to. Kirkwall still made her want to scream bloody murder sometimes, but as long as Anders and her friends were there, there wasn't anything that could get her to leave.

Oh, that and she was still bent on doing some good even though she knew it was pointless.

[Mistress Tasharra]

Dasha Dreyson wrote...

My personal cannon Warden let Alistair kill Loghain. My personal cannon Hawke did not kill Anders and would not have let Seb do it either. They were different characters with drastically different beliefs. I'm still not sure if they'd be friends or enemies if they ever met.

I am guility of letting the hearts of my characters rule their actions in their darkest/greatest hour. Probably because I'm something [read: undeniably] a hopeless romantic.

It's also why I believe that, when the Dragon Age story is finished (assuming it ends on a game where all your choices mattered) my Thedas will have been doomed by love.

Should my Hawke and my Warden ever meet though? Hmm. I imagine they'd get along on some things and want to kill eachother on others.

My Hawke was a mage (who supported Anders) while my Warden was a Cousland, mage sympathizer, and Spirit Warrior. (Mind you, in my head she kept that last detail hidden considering the scandal it would cause. The only people who knew were Justice, Anders, and Nathaniel. Not even Alistair knows, and they're married. XD)

[cleosilver]

Ryzaki wrote...


Though my Wardens almost always (except one or two exceptions) kill Loghain. I have the same rate with sparing Anders. 

I'd probably kill him if not for Justice though. 

My warden accepts his surrender after the duel then lets Alistair kill him. The boy's going to be king after all. If he wants to execute the traitor that's his right.

I let Anders live so he can help defend the innocent mages (Some of them have to be) his actions have put in danger. Then they have the Mother of all fights once they're out of Kirkwall. Lots of yelling, shouting, hitting and crying because he didn't trust her to help followed by making up afterwards.

[Sialater]

Threeparts wrote...

I'm curious: did you reach a point in your game where your canon Hawke would have put their foot down and said, "Hey, whoa, hold on a second, I'm getting off this crazy train," and departed from the actual events that transpired? I assume so, since we've discussed before about wanting to get out of Kirkwall after Leandra's death, but what is the specific point where your story would have split from the one written?

For me, my Hawke would have declined the Viscount's request to talk to the Arishok in Act II, with a, "Dude, I'm wearing bracers with -17 to tact and my trusty Boots of Insolence. Are you sure about this?"
She's a nobody who does the occasional odd job because she needs the cash and in absolutely no way is she qualified for the delicate task of negotiating with the frigging Qunari of all people, whether Big Blue asked for her by name or not.

Margaret would have dealt with the Qunari.  She was arrogant enough to realize that she was probably the one human he respected.

However, she'd have skipped town soon after, especially since Act 3 shows The Champion mediating Meredith and Orsino with no real authority. 

Also, I think your Hawke and my Hawke bought the accessories in the same shop.

Modifié par Sialater, 12 avril 2011 - 01:56 .

[silver-crescent]

nekhbet wrote...

Camilladilla wrote...

I suspect that a lot of these people just can't look past/enjoy a character's flaws. Anders had a lot of strikes against him before the chantry jenga just given all of the threads that crop up about him on these forums.

Absolutely. It's not the killing part I'm puzzled about, there's reasons to knife him in the back... but it's the absolute hatred towards him and the joy people get from kicking someone who's already on the ground, the ritualistic lynching of Anders, that's weird.

And a little scary, because that's exactly the mob mentality that happens when some schizophrenic kills people. Nobody asks what went wrong here that the killings happened in the first place, and people just want to see heads roll. You don't get quite the same reaction when gangs and criminals kill each other and passersby. Mental illness is like the last taboo, and DA2 dived into it headfirst. Which is commendable.

There's so much potential in this, I'm just praying to his noodly greatness that they don't completely drop Anders from future installations. Ramen.

I think it's sad how a lot of the anti-Anders posts often mention stuff like "and to top it off they made him gay", or something along those lines. As depressing as that is, that aspect is also where a lot of the hate comes from, or at least it adds to it.

[Camilladilla]

Do you guys really think Anders would have refused to leave Kirkwall if Hawke decided s/he had enough of the crazy? The way it always works out for me is that I have Dissent near the end of Act 2 and he didn't have any qualms about running off then.

I know if my Hawke weren't so dead set on staying near Carver, he would have tied Anders up and dragged him onto the first boat to Ferelden.

[Camilladilla]

silver-crescent wrote...

I think it's sad how a lot of the anti-Anders posts often mention stuff like "and to top it off they made him gay", or something along those lines. As depressing as that is, that aspect is also where a lot of the hate comes from, or at least it adds to it.

The video game nerd mentality these days kinda boggles me. The moment a character becomes even slightly unlikable it's "dude, where's my option to kill him off?".

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Mmm... I have three main canon wardens...

My Mahariel and Hawke could probably respect each other. Friendship might be a bit slower in the making, because my Hawke's a diplomatic, pacifistic coward, which would really annoy my "by any means necessary" Mahariel.

My Surana and Hawke would get along great. Plus, he wouldn't be afraid to yell at Anders for the stupid things he does that Hawke overlooks.

Cousland and Hawke? They'd be at each other's throats in a nanosecond.

[shiba5]

My Warden and Hawke would have a catfight. My Warden secretly had the hots for Anders.

[Mistress Tasharra]

Camilladilla wrote...

Do you guys really think Anders would have refused to leave Kirkwall if Hawke decided s/he had enough of the crazy? The way it always works out for me is that I have Dissent near the end of Act 2 and he didn't have any qualms about running off then.

I know if my Hawke weren't so dead set on staying near Carver, he would have tied Anders up and dragged him onto the first boat to Ferelden.

I think if pushed come to shove, Anders would be willing to leave with (romanced) Hawke so long as it happened sometime after Dissant or around the middle of Act II.

Of course, if that happened, we wouldn't have a story, would we? :3

If I remember the Codex correctly, it states that Anders had almost given up the "cause" during the time between Act II and Act III, before vigourously taking it up again by the time Act III starts.

I'm still curious as to what would cause that resurgence. Justice sure, but I always figured there had to be some outside source (aside from the rising tension between Orsino and Meredith.)

[silver-crescent]

shiba5 wrote...

My Warden and Hawke would have a catfight. My Warden secretly had the hots for Anders.

My canon Hawke and canon Warden would be all over each other. Too bad they're cousins:innocent:

[Threeparts]

Camilladilla wrote...

Do you guys really think Anders would have refused to leave Kirkwall if Hawke decided s/he had enough of the crazy? The way it always works out for me is that I have Dissent near the end of Act 2 and he didn't have any qualms about running off then.

I know if my Hawke weren't so dead set on staying near Carver, he would have tied Anders up and dragged him onto the first boat to Ferelden.

The codex says after Act II that he lost interest in the mage cause for a while while he tried to get more of a grip on himself. It doesn't work, but I think after Dissent he would be willing to be drawn away from Kirkwall (provided Vengeance doesn't interfere). He's got other problems to concentrate on at that point, and sticking around as a revolutionary probably wasn't a priority for some time.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Pseudocognition wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

The only way I've been able to justify killing him is a Hawke that has a tendency to murderknife anyway. Anders doesn't learn anything when he dies -- in fact, it seems like that's exactly what he wants. Letting him go and/or killing him if you side with the Templars seems like a better option to me, as he at least sees exactly what he has wrought for a little while. When I let him live with my first play through, he said something like "This... isn't what I had expected," when we were running through Lowtown, and it was strangely satisfying ... It in no way completely made up for what he did, but it was a tiny baby step, at least to me.

I loved that line too. Welcome to the real/mortal world, Justice :B

Yeah, it's like Anders' own judgment was so fargone at that point.  I hope Justice likes stewing in that body for just a little longer.

[Mistress Tasharra]

shiba5 wrote...

My Warden and Hawke would have a catfight. My Warden secretly had the hots for Anders.

My Cousland also had a thing for Anders... and Nathaniel. She was a **** before she fell for (then married) Alistair.

Old habits die hard?

*Snorts* Oh, I can just imagine the snark fest that would occur at that meeting. Probably at the expense of Anders no less.

Poor Anders.