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It's a conversation with Fergus's son in origins right before Fergus leaves and Oren gets killed. Oren wants a sword and somewhere in the conversation Fergus says something like "Don't worry Oren you'll get to see a sword up close real soon."


Oh, you know, I did catch that at some point. And then I chuckled blackly, as I recall. Bioware=wicked. Or maybe it's just Gaider.


Someone has a very dark sense of humor. Anders is the most brilliant troll creation I've seen from a developer ever - and he was years in the making. That's dedication.
I hope Bioware knows that I, for one, appreciate their efforts to manipulate me in such a twisted fashion.
(Even though it hurt. Ouch my <3. :crying:)


Right there with you. I love how when I look back I can see they've been planning this all along. "Oh, look, Anders is shiny! No you can't romance him. Now you can! Aren't you thrilled? MWAHAHAHA." I love Bioware so much just for all the ways they make me care and then screw me over so completely and I always know it's coming, but I never see it til it happens. 

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silver-crescent wrote...

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I think someone already mentioned this earlier (can't recall who) but I know in my heart that, even if Hawke ran off with Anders at the end of DAII, their love was doomed from the start.

It's going to be a short life, brutal and tiring, and it will end tragically, but by the Maker it will be glorious while it lasts.

You have to ask, just how much left of the Anders Hawke fell in love with is left by the time Act III ends? How much was ever there?

Ugh. I hate love hate love hate tragic, doomed love.


Thing is Hawke never knew pre-Justice Anders. It would have been more tragic had they met in Amaranthine or something. This way, I dunno, I think Hawke knew what (s)he was getting into.


True. Hawke knew from the start that s/he was falling for, what technically counts as an abomination.

That said, Hawke is still around for the progression of Acts I through III, and I think that, despite not knowing what Anders was like pre-posession, Hawke is still capable of seeing the changes/"deterioration" Anders goes through as the years press on.

How much further will it go after DAII ends? Would it reach a point where Hawke doesn't even recognize Anders anymore? Maybe. We'll probably never know.

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silver-crescent wrote...

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

I think someone already mentioned this earlier (can't recall who) but I know in my heart that, even if Hawke ran off with Anders at the end of DAII, their love was doomed from the start.

It's going to be a short life, brutal and tiring, and it will end tragically, but by the Maker it will be glorious while it lasts.

You have to ask, just how much left of the Anders Hawke fell in love with is left by the time Act III ends? How much was ever there?

Ugh. I hate love hate love hate tragic, doomed love.


Thing is Hawke never knew pre-Justice Anders. It would have been more tragic had they met in Amaranthine or something. This way, I dunno, I think Hawke knew what (s)he was getting into.


I've actually written something small where Moira Surana and Margaret Hawke met.  Margaret tells Moira her side of the story.

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Right there with you. I love how when I look back I can see they've been planning this all along. "Oh, look, Anders is shiny! No you can't romance him. Now you can! Aren't you thrilled? MWAHAHAHA." I love Bioware so much just for all the ways they make me care and then screw me over so completely and I always know it's coming, but I never see it til it happens. 


The fangirls had best be prepared. You just know DA3 LI Cullen is gonna end up becoming a darkspawn or something.

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silver-crescent wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

Right there with you. I love how when I look back I can see they've been planning this all along. "Oh, look, Anders is shiny! No you can't romance him. Now you can! Aren't you thrilled? MWAHAHAHA." I love Bioware so much just for all the ways they make me care and then screw me over so completely and I always know it's coming, but I never see it til it happens. 


The fangirls had best be prepared. You just know DA3 LI Cullen is gonna end up becoming a darkspawn or something.


And I shall romance him with my Grey Warden mage! Muhahahahaha! *coughs*

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Cullen's gonna be too old for my liking in DA3. Give me someone YOUNG. *predator eyes*

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Cullen's gonna be too old for my liking in DA3. Give me someone YOUNG. *predator eyes*


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Mistress Tasharra wrote...

True. Hawke knew from the start that s/he was falling for, what technically counts as an abomination.

That said, Hawke is still around for the progression of Acts I through III, and I think that, despite not knowing what Anders was like pre-posession, Hawke is still capable of seeing the changes/"deterioration" Anders goes through as the years press on.

How much further will it go after DAII ends? Would it reach a point where Hawke doesn't even recognize Anders anymore? Maybe. We'll probably never know.


Problem is we don't know if Anders keeps "deterioriating" or if he "stabilizes" as Janders or what. I think it's the former with rivalry, and the latter with friendship. 

Actually, and this is kinda depressing, we don't even know if Hawke + LI are even together by year 10, when/after Hawke "disappears".

Bring on the plot-continuing DLC/EPs already <_<

Modifié par silver-crescent, 12 avril 2011 - 03:32 .


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silver-crescent wrote...

I do agree with you in general, though I didn't really see some of the traits you're naming - especially him being suicidal/almost having a split personality - on the friendship path at least. Didn't notice that big a difference from act 2 to 3 either truth be told, save for what the codex said.

And my original point anyway was that we don't know how his situation progresses post-Jenga, there's no clear ingame indication either way. Of course it's possible to make real world parallels, but the truth is real world psychological issues don't involve spiritual/demonic possession.


He's preparing for his own death on the friendship path, for example, giving out his pillow to Varric and basically saying goodbyes. And well, the whole "I'm gonna blow up the Chantry and then I'm going to die, too" is pretty suicidal, given he has planned the whole thing, planned to go out with a bang. He also mentions suicide to a few companions (Fenris was one, and then someone else) in a way that makes at least me think he's put quite a lot of thought into it before. It could be just suicidal ideation, but Anders doesn't leave it to just planning phase. Cue Chantry jenga. He really wants to die (according to Gaider in some post, at least) and the only reason he doesn't get his wish is because Hawke spares him. If Hawke spares him, that is.

Anyway, that's my reasoning to say he has suicidal tendencies. I can't remember all the comments where he made me think "when did you change your mind on this?", though, they kind of... dropped on to me throughout the game.

The possession thing is an analogy to mental illness, yes. Though clearly it's not just the possession making Anders a raging loonie like most of the abominations, but it's a more delicate change of personality at work here, that I'd say has a lot to do with Anders' personality pre-Justice, as well. He was never the most stable of people, judging by what he told us about his life and treatment and experiences at the Circle. He was always damaged goods, but Justice pushed him over the edge.

No clue how he'd be post-game, of course. To me he seemed to be coming down from a psychotic phase of mania (especially if you rivalled him), just sitting there and waiting for others to decide his fate for him. He's totally dejected, until Hawke perks him up again by promising to slay some more templars with him. Or kills him, or tells him to ****** off. But he seems unable to do anything without someone pushing him to a new direction.

Anyway... too much typing!

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Not quite timely, but a few of us were talking a bit ago about how we prowled Kirkwall looking for a kitty for Anders after Merrill commented on it. Just saw this yesterday on DA.

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Mistress Tasharra wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

Right there with you. I love how when I look back I can see they've been planning this all along. "Oh, look, Anders is shiny! No you can't romance him. Now you can! Aren't you thrilled? MWAHAHAHA." I love Bioware so much just for all the ways they make me care and then screw me over so completely and I always know it's coming, but I never see it til it happens. 


The fangirls had best be prepared. You just know DA3 LI Cullen is gonna end up becoming a darkspawn or something.


And I shall romance him with my Grey Warden mage! Muhahahahaha! *coughs*


Considering they seem to be upping the tragedy on every returning LI.... If Cullen returns and is an LI... I fear for him.:(

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RinjiRenee wrote...

Cullen's gonna be too old for my liking in DA3. Give me someone YOUNG. *predator eyes*


WHY WAS CARVER THE FIRST PERSON I THOUGHT OF? WTF is wrong with me?

Although, I might not romance anyone in DA3. I can't imagine how they're going to try to top Anders for sheer heartbreak.

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silver-crescent wrote...

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

True. Hawke knew from the start that s/he was falling for, what technically counts as an abomination.

That said, Hawke is still around for the progression of Acts I through III, and I think that, despite not knowing what Anders was like pre-posession, Hawke is still capable of seeing the changes/"deterioration" Anders goes through as the years press on.

How much further will it go after DAII ends? Would it reach a point where Hawke doesn't even recognize Anders anymore? Maybe. We'll probably never know.


Problem is we don't know if Anders keeps "deterioriating" or if he "stabilizes" as Janders or what. I think it's the former with rivalry, and the latter with friendship. 

Actually, and this is kinda depressing, we don't even know if Hawke + LI are even actually together by year 10, when/after Hawke "disappears".


Also true.

My hopeless romantic self would like to say "yes" and if romancing Anders, the reason Hawke "disappears" is Anders related.

Mind you, my hopeless romantic self also never gets what it wants. =P

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SurelyForth wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Cullen's gonna be too old for my liking in DA3. Give me someone YOUNG. *predator eyes*


WHY WAS CARVER THE FIRST PERSON I THOUGHT OF? WTF is wrong with me?

Although, I might not romance anyone in DA3. I can't imagine how they're going to try to top Anders for sheer heartbreak.


David Gaider: Dohohohohoho! :devil:

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LT123 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Cullen's gonna be too old for my liking in DA3. Give me someone YOUNG. *predator eyes*


WHY WAS CARVER THE FIRST PERSON I THOUGHT OF? WTF is wrong with me?

Although, I might not romance anyone in DA3. I can't imagine how they're going to try to top Anders for sheer heartbreak.


David Gaider: Dohohohohoho! :devil:


Ugh. I don't even want to know, truthfully.

But that sure as hell won't stop me from playing it, romancing said character, and once again having my heart utterly broken into little tiny peices by that madman which is David Gaider. That sadistic bastard.

I love him!

#21591
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SurelyForth wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Cullen's gonna be too old for my liking in DA3. Give me someone YOUNG. *predator eyes*


WHY WAS CARVER THE FIRST PERSON I THOUGHT OF? WTF is wrong with me?

Although, I might not romance anyone in DA3. I can't imagine how they're going to try to top Anders for sheer heartbreak.


Yeah what the heck is wrong with you!

I'm gonna romance whoever in DA3, but I wonder if they'll continue the trend of reintroducing NPCs from the previous game as playable/romanceable.  I can think of a few NPCs in DA2 I wouldn't mind seeing again... :devil:

#21592
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LoneWolf4191 wrote...

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

LoneWolf4191 wrote...

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

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...snip...

>D Yes....


Is it wrong that a Justiceified (Justified? lawl) Anders with the glowing eyes makes me squee with happyness?

Dammit, we're not supposed to find possessed mages [abominations] sexy! GAH!


Ah, but abomination babies are all the rage :D
Flemeth approves.... you know you want to.... lol


And the voice. Let's not forget the absolute sex to the ears that is Justice's voice. His voice in Awakening was awesome, but in DAII?

*Dies*

I swear that my obsession with Justice is second only to my obsession with Anders. Really.

Anyways...


(*v*)/


You're in good company here, my friend. Don't get me wrong, I do love Anders, but- that glowing. That voice. UNF.
/brofist

And once again Ash is late to the party.
SLEEP?
SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK.

Modifié par Ashwraith, 12 avril 2011 - 03:40 .


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nekhbet wrote...
He's preparing for his own death on the friendship path, for example, giving out his pillow to Varric and basically saying goodbyes. And well, the whole "I'm gonna blow up the Chantry and then I'm going to die, too" is pretty suicidal, given he has planned the whole thing, planned to go out with a bang. He also mentions suicide to a few companions (Fenris was one, and then someone else) in a way that makes at least me think he's put quite a lot of thought into it before. It could be just suicidal ideation, but Anders doesn't leave it to just planning phase. Cue Chantry jenga. He really wants to die (according to Gaider in some post, at least) and the only reason he doesn't get his wish is because Hawke spares him. If Hawke spares him, that is.


But I don't think Anders wants to die to just die. He sees it as justice for what he's done. That's Hepler's opinion on the matter (and I believe she even says "thinks" he wants to die). That's why him giving Varric the pillow is (IMO) misdirection. Anyone who knows anything about the warning signs of suicide will see that and know, but he's not planning on offing myself, he's planning on doing something that will very likely result in his death and he's ok with that because his death will fulfill a purpose.

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Ashwraith wrote...

LoneWolf4191 wrote...

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

LoneWolf4191 wrote...

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

LoneWolf4191 wrote...

...snip...

>D Yes....


Is it wrong that a Justiceified (Justified? lawl) Anders with the glowing eyes makes me squee with happyness?

Dammit, we're not supposed to find possessed mages [abominations] sexy! GAH!


Ah, but abomination babies are all the rage :D
Flemeth approves.... you know you want to.... lol


And the voice. Let's not forget the absolute sex to the ears that is Justice's voice. His voice in Awakening was awesome, but in DAII?

*Dies*

I swear that my obsession with Justice is second only to my obsession with Anders. Really.

Anyways...


(*v*)/


You're in good company here, my friend. Don't get me wrong, I do love Anders, but- that glowing. That voice. UNF.
/brofist

And once again Ash is late to the party.
SLEEP?
SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK.


YUS!

/brofist

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silver-crescent wrote...


The fangirls had best be prepared. You just know DA3 LI Cullen is gonna end up becoming a darkspawn or something.


Don't give them more ideas, please!!
They really don't need it...they already know how to incite drama and tears o.o

(thought it would make sense, they carried the character from Origins, made him really cool, and wanted to keep Ellis voice too...I feel impending doom)

RinjiRenee wrote...

 previous game as playable/romanceable.  I can think of a few NPCs in DA2 I wouldn't mind seeing again... :devil:

I want Nate.

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Mistress Tasharra wrote...

Also true.

My hopeless romantic self would like to say "yes" and if romancing Anders, the reason Hawke "disappears" is Anders related.

Mind you, my hopeless romantic self also never gets what it wants. =P


Heh, that would be nice, if only it wasn't exactly the same ending regardless of which LI you pick :lol:

Someone should make a "I spent 7 years with Hawke and all I got was a lousy name drop in the epilogue" t-shirt.

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silver-crescent wrote...

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

Also true.

My hopeless romantic self would like to say "yes" and if romancing Anders, the reason Hawke "disappears" is Anders related.

Mind you, my hopeless romantic self also never gets what it wants. =P


Heh, that would be nice, if only it wasn't exactly the same ending regardless of which LI you pick :lol:

Someone should make a "I spent 7 years with Hawke and all I got was a lousy name drop in the epilogue" t-shirt.


Haha, so true.

*Sighs*

Ah well, one can hope.

Edit: But I swear to the Maker if I see one more Eluvian I will nerd rage.

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silver-crescent wrote...

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

Also true.

My hopeless romantic self would like to say "yes" and if romancing Anders, the reason Hawke "disappears" is Anders related.

Mind you, my hopeless romantic self also never gets what it wants. =P


Heh, that would be nice, if only it wasn't exactly the same ending regardless of which LI you pick :lol:

Someone should make a "I spent 7 years with Hawke and all I got was a lousy name drop in the epilogue" t-shirt.


Hawke's disappearance could still be Anders related, regardless of your LI!

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LT123 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Cullen's gonna be too old for my liking in DA3. Give me someone YOUNG. *predator eyes*


WHY WAS CARVER THE FIRST PERSON I THOUGHT OF? WTF is wrong with me?

Although, I might not romance anyone in DA3. I can't imagine how they're going to try to top Anders for sheer heartbreak.


David Gaider: Dohohohohoho! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

I'm still waiting for them to pull the, "You've fallen in love with this person, aww! But wait, they're betraying you! They're attacking you! You have to kill them to save your own life! Oh no! Oh, wait, actually they were completely innocent and being controlled by blood magic. Oops!" thing, just so we have even more reason to throw our monitors/televisions across the room.

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Dunizel wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

 previous game as playable/romanceable.  I can think of a few NPCs in DA2 I wouldn't mind seeing again... :devil:

I want Nate.


Oh, so do I, as he was my biggest crush from DA:A, but considering he's 40 years old at the end of DA2...

*SIGH*