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[AnniLau]

shiba5 wrote...

And that kiss. I think I'll go watch it again...

Adam says he was just kissing the back of his own hand for that.

Modifié par AnniLau, 12 avril 2011 - 05:22 .

[signcherie]

Aynslie wrote...



I thought about this before also.  Who to pick if you had to Anders or Alistair, and I have to go with Alistair.  And it is because Alistair is alot less complicated than Anders.  I've had a rl relationship with someone with Bipolar...not fun...at all.  sounds romantic, you get the "my love can fix" him thoughts and nope.  The only thing that can fix em is therapy and medicine and everything is your fault.  With Anders condition I see only bad things in the future for Hawke if s/he stays with him.  Alistiar on the other hand is the keeper, the one who will always be there for you.

Now of course I have rl experience to fall back on, and I absolutely LOVE Anders in DAII, but thats my thoughts on the matter.

A similar discussion about who to date in the Justice League I went with Flash as oppose to Batman for the same reasons, despite my unnatural obsession with the Dark Knight.

Moral= stay away from fixer uppers

Shhhhhhhh it's just a game romance...don't make me actually THINK about it! lol

Yes, in real life I wouldn't touch Anders with a ten foot pole, and would snap up Alistair.

Modifié par signcherie, 12 avril 2011 - 05:24 .

[Ryzaki]

AnniLau wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

Hey, there might have been virginal fumbling in the beginning, but then you also had the opportunity to train him up right! 

This.

However, Anders still wins because...sparklefingers.

But Alistair is athletic...that's always nice.

Not to mention the legendary Warden stamina and naural prowess.  

Game and RL wise I'd stick with Ali. He's cute, sensitive, funny and can even be a king.  What's not to love? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 avril 2011 - 05:24 .

[Jean]

Ryzaki wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

Hey, there might have been virginal fumbling in the beginning, but then you also had the opportunity to train him up right! 

This.

However, Anders still wins because...sparklefingers.

But Alistair is athletic...that's always nice.

Not to mention the legendary Warden stamina and naural prowess.  

But Anders is a Warden too.

[shiba5]

AnniLau wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

And that kiss. I think I'll go watch it again...

Adam says he was just kissing the back of his own hand for that.

He must have a very sexy hand to love it so passionately.

[nyxocity]

Well, since I'm being encouraged to go back to the DAO vs. DA2 experience discussion twelve pages back...

Playing DAO, it got dark at times, and sometimes tiring and weighty for my characters, but when I look back on it from DA2, it's like sunshine and roses, all glowy and WARM. It felt like high fantasy. I was the hero, and yes, sometimes things got bad, but if you made certain decisions they didn't turn out so badly. I knew I was gonna go out there and whip some Archdemon @ss in the end. And because I was lucky my first play through, I didn't get my heart broken by getting dumped, and I have no problem with having Alistair do the dark ritual. So my memories of DAO are fond. But, of all my eight play throughs, I only ever once really RP'd hardcore enough to get inside my character's head and start writing my own story over the narrative. I didn't RP much with my Wardens, mostly because it was easy to play the strapping who hero who saves the day, which is my FAVORITE type to play. I tried harder/more evil/selfish play throughs, but they just never took for me.

So, noting that playing the hero who serves the greater good and saves the world is my favorite thing to play, you can imagine what my first experience with playing DA2 was like. I was a miserable emotrional WRECK by halfway through Act II, because me and my character were like, we're going to fix this! We're going to save the day. Dammit, mages! Stop making yourselves look bad. God, I know freeing mages is right in my heart, but you guys aren't HELPING me, here. I was all over the place, plagued by doubt about everything, and every single decision I made was fraught. I debated everything I did so carefully, and then still didn't feel good about the outcome of anything. It started happening right around the time I did Magistrates Orders and I let that dude go because I was sure he was possessed like so many other people in the town, and surely that would come to light. And then I said out loud, to my party, "Guys, I don't feel good about this. I don't know if I made the right decision here." They, of course, were no help.

My character liked the Arishok, and when things went to hell, she felt like it was her fault, that she should've stopped it somehow, could have if only she'd said the right thing. Then everything with Anders (she knew he was lying from second one when he asked her to gather ingredients--great voice acting) and I KNEW he was building a bomb. Hawke didn;t, but she couldn't figure out why he was lying to her or what was going on, and then he asked for help getting in the Chantry and I KNEW what he had planned and spent Act III in utter agony waiting for it. I was sure I was going to have to kill Anders, or that someone else would do it. I was so involved and invested that I went on and on about it wall o' text emails to friends who don't even CARE about the game. And once the Chantry blew I was relieved, like okay, NOW I can finally resolve something. 

Long story short, I PLAYED that character. I was more emotionally invested and MESSED UP over this game than I've ever been in/by a game in my life. It was utterly gripping and pulled me into the character and story. Second play through, now knowing that I cannot fix anything, I could just play the game, and STILL I had the best time RP'ing a character that I've ever had. DA2, for me, makes me RP in a way that DAO never did, and maybe that's because of the railroading to a degree, but it's also the voice options and limited choices you get to make. 

I love both games, but they're very different, and in terms of feeling my characters and fleshing them out, DA2 does that for me.

[SurelyForth]

AnniLau wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

Hey, there might have been virginal fumbling in the beginning, but then you also had the opportunity to train him up right! 

This.

However, Anders still wins because...sparklefingers.

But Alistair is athletic...that's always nice.

Hee! Leliana rationale!

If I'm being serious, I would choose Anders over Alistair (in DA world). I made that choice months ago, and even after knowing what happens to Anders, he's such a beautifully tragic character and compelling in a way that few are.

Also, rejuvenation spells. On top of Warden stamina!!

Modifié par SurelyForth, 12 avril 2011 - 05:24 .

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

AnniLau wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

Hey, there might have been virginal fumbling in the beginning, but then you also had the opportunity to train him up right! 

This.

However, Anders still wins because...sparklefingers.

But Alistair is athletic...that's always nice.

Is it possible to ah... "corrupt" Alistair? 


Because I'd quite like both, really. For science, or course. 

[Rinji the Bearded]

My fiance is very much an Alistair, and I couldn't be happier.

I still giggle like a lovesick fool at Anders when I'm alone playing DA2, though.

[silver-crescent]

Hellosanta wrote...

Apparently recent 1.02 patch doesn't fix the forcing Anders to side with Templars in Anders's rivalmance to work. Now I think ... it's not bugged, it's cut out from the game at last minute.

I dunno, it seems like it doesn't fix some import issues as well, like Nathaniel not showing up even though he's alive.

Jennifer Hepler seemed to think it was meant to be in the game so I doubt it was really cut.

[Sialater]

SidheKate wrote...

Alistair vs. Anders - I wish we could compare them over the same time too. Alistair always seemed like he could grow up, and his cameos indicate that (if alive) he does. Drunk Al goes back with Teagan, King Al and Warden Al is a leader but kept his sense of humor. We get Anders over seven years, and Alistair over a few months.

Of course, my husband is JUST like Alistair, so I'm a little bias. But I love Anders so much!

Ditto.  Alistair will still win since he reminds me of my IRL husband. 

[silver-crescent]

AnniLau wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

And that kiss. I think I'll go watch it again...

Adam says he was just kissing the back of his own hand for that.

oh man, I didn't need to know that. so immersion breaking 

[Ryzaki]

Batteries wrote...
But Anders is a Warden too.

Oh gah. I tend to forget about Anders being a Warden. Then I guess the only thing poor Alistair has going for him is his more muscular bod. And his ability to act like an overexcited puppy. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 avril 2011 - 05:28 .

[Sialater]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

Hey, there might have been virginal fumbling in the beginning, but then you also had the opportunity to train him up right! 

This.

However, Anders still wins because...sparklefingers.

But Alistair is athletic...that's always nice.

Is it possible to ah... "corrupt" Alistair? 


Because I'd quite like both, really. For science, or course. 

Yes.  You harden him.  You can even have a threesome with Izzy with him. 

[nyxocity]

Sialater wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

Sialater wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Hey, if the Warden and Hawke got into a fight, who would win?
And what would Anders do?

If it hasn't already been said... Anders would set up a convenient pool filled with Jello right behind them and then sit back and wait for the magic to happen.  Possibly using magic to surreptitiously tear their clothes a little bit.  It would be glorious.  Eventually, Hawke and the Warden would realize that Anders was giggling and leering like a dirty old perv and stop fighting each other to fight him.

And then things would really get kinky.  Alistair would not approve.

Alistair MIGHT approve. If you hardened him. Pun intended.

Wet frocks. 

All I'm saying.

And in DA2 if you did the threesome with Isabela, you're supposed to get this:

Isabela: I guess now that you're king, borrowing you for the summer is out?
Alistair: *laughs* I... um... well, I don't know.

HAH!  Holy crap I have to bring her next time.  Does Anders' Grey Warden dialog override it, though, or do you get both?

Not sure. I've only seen the clip of it, because I can't import my DAO saves, because my edition of DA2 doesn't recognize them on my XBox.

[SidheKate]

Hellosanta wrote...

Apparently recent 1.02 patch doesn't fix the forcing Anders to side with Templars in Anders's rivalmance to work. Now I think ... it's not bugged, it's cut out from the game at last minute.

Don't abandon hope yet.  Ms. Helper did indicate she would speak with the developers, but I suspect it was too late to implement the fix code in time to get it in the final 1.02 batch.  The help forums also indicate that they are already planning on patch 1.03.

However, after 1.03, then we should give up. (I jest.)

[Ryzaki]

silver-crescent wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

And that kiss. I think I'll go watch it again...

Adam says he was just kissing the back of his own hand for that.

oh man, I didn't need to know that. so immersion breaking 

Really? 

 

His hand must've been wet after that panting action. 

[shiba5]

thenyxie wrote...

Well, since I'm being encouraged to go back to the DAO vs. DA2 experience discussion twelve pages back...

Playing DAO, it got dark at times, and sometimes tiring and weighty for my characters, but when I look back on it from DA2, it's like sunshine and roses, all glowy and WARM. It felt like high fantasy. I was the hero, and yes, sometimes things got bad, but if you made certain decisions they didn't turn out so badly. I knew I was gonna go out there and whip some Archdemon @ss in the end. And because I was lucky my first play through, I didn't get my heart broken by getting dumped, and I have no problem with having Alistair do the dark ritual. So my memories of DAO are fond. But, of all my eight play throughs, I only ever once really RP'd hardcore enough to get inside my character's head and start writing my own story over the narrative. I didn't RP much with my Wardens, mostly because it was easy to play the strapping who hero who saves the day, which is my FAVORITE type to play. I tried harder/more evil/selfish play throughs, but they just never took for me.

So, noting that playing the hero who serves the greater good and saves the world is my favorite thing to play, you can imagine what my first experience with playing DA2 was like. I was a miserable emotrional WRECK by halfway through Act II, because me and my character were like, we're going to fix this! We're going to save the day. Dammit, mages! Stop making yourselves look bad. God, I know freeing mages is right in my heart, but you guys aren't HELPING me, here. I was all over the place, plagued by doubt about everything, and every single decision I made was fraught. I debated everything I did so carefully, and then still didn't feel good about the outcome of anything. It started happening right around the time I did Magistrates Orders and I let that dude go because I was sure he was possessed like so many other people in the town, and surely that would come to light. And then I said out loud, to my party, "Guys, I don't feel good about this. I don't know if I made the right decision here." They, of course, were no help.

My character liked the Arishok, and when things went to hell, she felt like it was her fault, that she should've stopped it somehow, could have if only she'd said the right thing. Then everything with Anders (she knew he was lying from second one when he asked her to gather ingredients--great voice acting) and I KNEW he was building a bomb. Hawke didn;t, but she couldn't figure out why he was lying to her or what was going on, and then he asked for help getting in the Chantry and I KNEW what he had planned and spent Act III in utter agony waiting for it. I was sure I was going to have to kill Anders, or that someone else would do it. I was so involved and invested that I went on and on about it wall o' text emails to friends who don't even CARE about the game. And once the Chantry blew I was relieved, like okay, NOW I can finally resolve something. 

Long story short, I PLAYED that character. I was more emotionally invested and MESSED UP over this game than I've ever been in/by a game in my life. It was utterly gripping and pulled me into the character and story. Second play through, now knowing that I cannot fix anything, I could just play the game, and STILL I had the best time RP'ing a character that I've ever had. DA2, for me, makes me RP in a way that DAO never did, and maybe that's because of the railroading to a degree, but it's also the voice options and limited choices you get to make. 

I love both games, but they're very different, and in terms of feeling my characters and fleshing them out, DA2 does that for me.

I don't have a lot of time to write out a long post, so I'll just say that your experience was very similar to mine.

[SurelyForth]

SidheKate wrote...

Hellosanta wrote...

Apparently recent 1.02 patch doesn't fix the forcing Anders to side with Templars in Anders's rivalmance to work. Now I think ... it's not bugged, it's cut out from the game at last minute.

Don't abandon hope yet.  Ms. Helper did indicate she would speak with the developers, but I suspect it was too late to implement the fix code in time to get it in the final 1.02 batch.  The help forums also indicate that they are already planning on patch 1.03.

However, after 1.03, then we should give up. (I jest.)

It's possible. They never did get around to fixing the whole Always King Alistair glitch. Or the Silverite Mine bug in Awakening.

[Ryzaki]

I think the problem with always king alistair is that I believe he lacked dialogue recorded for *not* being king. (other than a few lines).

I believe someone who tried fixing the dialogue said so. Can't quite remember who it was. But not King Alistair is missing quite a few lines. (For instance at the Archedemon you have no not king dialogue). So it makes sense they wouldn't fix it. Some lines would be unvoiced. 

With Anders the dialogue does seem to have been recorded properly. It's just not triggering for whatever reason. 

Bah. My house for a toolset! 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 avril 2011 - 05:34 .

[signcherie]

silver-crescent wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

And that kiss. I think I'll go watch it again...

Adam says he was just kissing the back of his own hand for that.

oh man, I didn't need to know that. so immersion breaking 

I find that hot, personally.

[leggywillow]

AnniLau wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

And that kiss. I think I'll go watch it again...

Adam says he was just kissing the back of his own hand for that.

Oh ssshhh!  That kiss is the sexiest thing in the history of videogames, don't go messing it up!

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Sialater wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

Hey, there might have been virginal fumbling in the beginning, but then you also had the opportunity to train him up right! 

This.

However, Anders still wins because...sparklefingers.

But Alistair is athletic...that's always nice.

Is it possible to ah... "corrupt" Alistair? 


Because I'd quite like both, really. For science, or course. 

Yes.  You harden him.  You can even have a threesome with Izzy with him. 

But last I checked, Alistair was totally straight...

...hmm...

Maybe that needs to change...

[AnniLau]

shiba5 wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

And that kiss. I think I'll go watch it again...

Adam says he was just kissing the back of his own hand for that.

He must have a very sexy hand to love it so passionately.

Apparently so.