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[Muzzlepuffs]

Ryzaki wrote...

Muzzlepuffs wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Carver with white hair?
Ah, the stress finally got to him then. That or being in his big sister/brother's shadow too long turned his hair white. XD

It'll be Hawke's fault, regardless.<_<

Of course. When doesn't Carver blame Hawke for his problems?

Hawke just can't win. 

I've filed that away to watch when I get home from work. Because I'm technically still supposed to be working, and YouTube on my speakers would be such a giveaway that I'm not.

[nyxocity]

Ryzaki wrote...

Muzzlepuffs wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Carver with white hair?
Ah, the stress finally got to him then. That or being in his big sister/brother's shadow too long turned his hair white. XD

It'll be Hawke's fault, regardless.<_<

Of course. When doesn't Carver blame Hawke for his problems?

Hawke just can't win. 

Awwww. I love the Sam n' Dean clips they used in between cuts (Supernatural=my true obsession). It really does work in those particular instances.

[Tasmen]

That is all.

[andrastepreserveme]

Tasmen wrote...



That is all.

OMG WHAT IS THIS?<3

[SidheKate]

Tasmen wrote...

*awesome picture snip*

That is all.

Tasmen, in general, you are pure win.  Today has been extra bonus win: your pictures have been nothing short of awesome.

[AnniLau]

Tasmen wrote...



That is all.

But it's just for girls! 

[shiba5]

AnniLau wrote...

Tasmen wrote...



That is all.

But it's just for girls! 

Well we know that's not true!

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Ryzaki wrote...

Muzzlepuffs wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Carver with white hair?
Ah, the stress finally got to him then. That or being in his big sister/brother's shadow too long turned his hair white. XD

It'll be Hawke's fault, regardless.<_<

Of course. When doesn't Carver blame Hawke for his problems?

Hawke just can't win. 

Yep. The bad things just keep happening to Hawke, no matter what happens.

Her father: Dies and leaves her in charge of a family of apostates.

Her brother: "I'm sick of being in your shadow! Blah, blah, blah" (The wardens did him good. I hope the old companions kicked his ass into shape for me. Did my own characters good too... Damn, the Wardens is the best character-building order ever! (just never introduce rebel mage wardens to pushy spirits of Justice)

Her lover: "I'm about to render everything you've built and struggled to acheive for 9 years totally void all in the name of freedom. Kthanx."

Longtime best friend (Aveline): "I'm going to try and execute your possessed lover after this is over."

Other friend (Seb): "Even after everythign, I now hate you and will become a total hypocrite by throwing a temper tantrum and vowing to murder you and your boyfriend!"

Hawke: "Why does this keep happening to me!?" 

I love the cast and all, but seriously guys!

[nyxocity]

AnniLau wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Hawke just can't win. 

Deeeeeeean!

(And it really is the character, because I've seen Jensen Ackles in other roles and he never did anything for me until Supernatural.)

*is a total Dean!girl*

And to stay on topic, I had someone from Supernatural fandom ask me in comments to my m!Hawke/Anders fic why I found Anders so magnetic, because in her words, "They made him so emo in DA2." And I'm like... you DO watch Supernatural, right? *LOL* Angst-muffins, ahoy. Anders would fit right into the team if Sam n' Dean were fighting for mages.

[TheComfyCat]

nekhbet wrote...

senorfuzzylips wrote...

I agree. Unless it's a goodbye kiss, I really don't understand it at all. If they run away together a la the friendship ending... that just seems like even more of a disaster for poor Anders mental health. He can't keep fighting Vengeance forever; he's already almost lost.

Am I the only one who's thrilled of that option because it's so miserable and nasty to everyone involved? I'd def. want to do it on one playthrough, in addition to my "yay let's blow up the chantry together and kill all templars" and "poor sod rest in peace" playthroughs.

Well, I have a hard time doing things that are bad for the characters I like. I pretty much always metagame try to friend/ rival them based on which I think is a better ending for them

But, I suppose if you're looking for the ultimate tragic ending for Anders, then there'd be no better option. Lol.

[Inzhuna]

@CatofEvilGenius Agreed so much. I was so mad at Anders because, imo, not only did he commit a mass murder and a terrorist act, but he just made everything worse for the mages. If there will be any positive change in Thedas, it will be because of HAWKE, not because of Anders.

[nyxocity]

senorfuzzylips wrote...

nekhbet wrote...

senorfuzzylips wrote...

I agree. Unless it's a goodbye kiss, I really don't understand it at all. If they run away together a la the friendship ending... that just seems like even more of a disaster for poor Anders mental health. He can't keep fighting Vengeance forever; he's already almost lost.

Am I the only one who's thrilled of that option because it's so miserable and nasty to everyone involved? I'd def. want to do it on one playthrough, in addition to my "yay let's blow up the chantry together and kill all templars" and "poor sod rest in peace" playthroughs.

Well, I have a hard time doing things that are bad for the characters I like. I pretty much always metagame try to friend/ rival them based on which I think is a better ending for them

But, I suppose if you're looking for the ultimate tragic ending for Anders, then there'd be no better option. Lol.

So far I've only rivaled Merrill and Fenris, but I could do it with any other character besides Anders, just because it SHATTERS him and I can't stand to see it. No one else in the group suffers all that much from rivalry, but Anders suffers hard core. 

[Tasmen]

SidheKate wrote...

Tasmen wrote...

*awesome picture snip*

That is all.

Tasmen, in general, you are pure win.  Today has been extra bonus win: your pictures have been nothing short of awesome.

*wink wink*

[Amondra]

shiba5 wrote...

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

(snip)

Maybe this has been covered in 850 some pages (probably), but I wonder if there would be nearly the outrage if Anders had just killed Elthina - or Hawke had. Is it the exploding building that makes people go all nutty? People are getting slaughtered left and right the entire game, and some of them are more innocent than Elthina.

Can't speak for others, so here's just my personal opinion.  That moment was a punch in the gut for me for the following reasons.  My Hawke was a mage who loved Anders and wanted freedom for mages.  Anders lied to and used Hawke.  He betrayed Hawke's trust.  He killed innocents.  Even if someone thinks Elthina needed killing, she wasn't the only one there.  The chantry attack was not just heinous and unjustified, but massively counterproductive.  Unless you're Anders and starting a war is your goal, obviously.  My Hawke and Anders had very different goals.  Hawke didn't think Elthina needed to die, but her outrage wasn't about Elthina, see below.

Short term, yeah, he freed the Kirkwall Circle mages.  Those that survived the battle anyway, and aren't blood mages, because I don't count freeing them as any kind of win.  Long term, there's a war, and the hearts and minds of the people in Kirkwall are, if anything, more anti-mage than before.  If the mages "win" the war, they'll still be hated and feared by those they defeated.  If they lose, the time of Circles and templars will be remembered as the good old days of leniency and tolerance.  Way to go, Anders.

Blow up the chantry, kill the grand cleric, then watch the people build another chantry, bring in another grand cleric, and fear mages even more, because you haven't actually changed what the people want and believe. 

Anders got SO stabbed in that playthrough, but he stabbed Hawke in the back first (figuratively).

My Hawke would have wanted Anders to write off Kirkwall as a lost battle, retreat, regroup, and wage a non-terrorist campaign.  It worked for Ghandi and dr. King.  It was working for Anders, in Act 1, before Grace and Co ****ed it up.  The people he helped were willing to fight to protect mages from templars!  If he just blew up one of their friends or relatives in the chantry, they may feel differently now.

As for other innocents getting slaughtered left and right in the game, that's very different.  It's not Hawke, or Hawke's lover, doing the slaughtering.  Hawke tries to stop the slaughter (or doesn't care about it, when I play rotten Hakwe).

And yet... I still feel such sympathy for Anders.  Man's tortured and mistaken, not evil.  I desperately want him and Hawke to stay together.  So I'm on my 4th playthrough, which was supposed to be an Izzy romance, but I suspect Anders will derail it.  Hawke #4 will have a compulsion to heal Anders, so no stabbing.

I'm just repeating what I've said before, but I too would not want to go through 850 pages.

That was when I walked away from my computer for awhile to decide what I wanted to do. He betrayed my trust, so I was mad at him. He killed the cleric and launched a war and tried to protect me from myself. (When I say me, I'm talking about my Hawke here. haha) So, I was angry about him patronizing me. I didn't like Elthina, and thought she and the whole system needed taken down - just not that way. I didn't have a choice though so... gut punch moment.
I did not kill him. I decided he was the only thing my Hawke had left in the world and decided to roll with it. I didn't like how he pops up and it was like all was forgiven so I had to imagine the severe and prolonged beat down he received later - followed by cuddling. My Hawke was a harsh mistress.

I still think if people had been given the option to take out the Chantry themselves, you'd see a lot of different responses other than "Anders BAD!" Plus, you know, the flirting thing enraged some of them. derp.

When the Chantry went sky high there was a long moment of WTF, followed by "How did I not see this comming"  Though from my tigger happy mouse clicking finger, I ended up not being nearly as upset with Anders as I thought I would be, not saying I was thrilled...but he could have told me what he was up too.  Honestly in my personal opinion people might have looked at it defferently if Hawke did it or say the Warden two people Thedas knows and trusts really.  But what do I know >_>  

Also as I have said before what Anders did was bound to happen by mage or elf, or even templar that doesn't want to be addicted to Lyrium.

Also after missing Castle typing to all hours of the night I finished chapter 9 of my fanfic...and my soul hurts.

Modifié par Amondra, 12 avril 2011 - 09:00 .

[Tasmen]

AnniLau wrote...

Tasmen wrote...

*snip picture*

That is all.

But it's just for girls! 

I ignored that part   We all know that Anders is an equally opportunity penis lover (lady or dude).

[shiba5]

thenyxie wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Hawke just can't win. 

Deeeeeeean!

(And it really is the character, because I've seen Jensen Ackles in other roles and he never did anything for me until Supernatural.)

*is a total Dean!girl*

And to stay on topic, I had someone from Supernatural fandom ask me in comments to my m!Hawke/Anders fic why I found Anders so magnetic, because in her words, "They made him so emo in DA2." And I'm like... you DO watch Supernatural, right? *LOL* Angst-muffins, ahoy. Anders would fit right into the team if Sam n' Dean were fighting for mages.

Everyone here likes the same things I like. It's so eerie.

[Purposeof-Flight]

I know it's not Anders related, but this made me laugh my ass off. So I thought I would share. It's by aimo.

[CatOfEvilGenius]

shiba5 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

If Anders had just killed Elthina my posts would probly change to reflect how people would likely be trying to dance around the label of "assassin."

People don't seem to have a problem with that though - at least in these games. Anyone really have a problem with Zev? Fenris? Hawke? My Hawke was technically an assassin.
"Terrorist" is a very loaded term however.

Oh yes, I had a problem with Zev! XD  Couldn't even bring myself to befriend or romance him until after several playthroughs.  Had to hear all his dialogue and realize he was a victim before I could care about him even a little.  His lack of remorse was rather chilling, as was his enjoyment of killing.  Understandable, yes, since he thinks he was a tool, not a free agent, but still chilling.  It was his wish to die, his love of Rinna, that finally won me over.  Now I see him as a good fit for my duster dwarf carta thugs and angry city elf hooligans, and I quite like him as a character, just not much as a person.

Fenris was owned by a blood mage.  Intimidated, terrorized, maybe even mind controlled.  He's an amnesiac.  He feels major remorse for killing the fog warriors at Danarius' command.  He doesn't hire himself out as a hitman.  If I recall, he's a merc in Kirkwall, but not an assassin.  Defend my caravan, fight my enemy's mercs, different from assassination.  No problem with Fenris here, other than he's not dreamy like Anders, and he has bishy anime hair.

Hawke can max out the assassin tree without being an assassin.  A skillset is very different from a mindset.  If you play a mage or warrior, and you kill someone for money, no thought for whether he deserves to die, you are an assassin.  If you play a rogue with assassin skills who kills in self defense or defense of others, you are not an assassin.

If Anders had killed just Elthina on my first playthrough, my freedom fighter mage Hawke would have argued with him about suitable targets, not stabbed him to death while screaming about betrayal.  It would have been an assassination, but one Anders felt was justified and necessary, not a hit for money or political gain.  Wouldn't have been nearly as much of a gut punch for me.

[thebrute7]

I still say the chantry is a legitimate military target, so it is not terrorism.

@tasmen Picture is WIN! But for girls only I wants in

[Tasmen]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

I know it's not Anders related, but this made me laugh my ass off. So I thought I would share. It's by aimo.

*snip aimo comic*

Lolololol...  I love that so hard.

[silver-crescent]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

I know it's not Anders related, but this made me laugh my ass off. So I thought I would share. It's by aimo.

tee hee

[highcastle]

Question for the folks on this thread: I was just browsing some random DA2 youtube videos and came upon male Hawke's "Tell me he has killer blue eyes and a nice smile and I'll marry him on the spot." I've never been able to trigger this in-game, though. Anyone know when it should come up?

[Amondra]

highcastle wrote...

Question for the folks on this thread: I was just browsing some random DA2 youtube videos and came upon male Hawke's "Tell me he has killer blue eyes and a nice smile and I'll marry him on the spot." I've never been able to trigger this in-game, though. Anyone know when it should come up?

There are a few lines Hawke says like that (for male) that never made it into the game.  I think that is one of them.

[Purposeof-Flight]

highcastle wrote...

Question for the folks on this thread: I was just browsing some random DA2 youtube videos and came upon male Hawke's "Tell me he has killer blue eyes and a nice smile and I'll marry him on the spot." I've never been able to trigger this in-game, though. Anyone know when it should come up?

That should only be female Hawke. She says, "Tell me has killer eyes and a nice smile, and I'll marry him on the spot."
Male Hawke just says he must be hiding bodies in the basement.

It must've been modded.

(And it's while talking to Lirene in the tranquility quest...picking the sarcastic option.)

[TheComfyCat]

thenyxie wrote...

senorfuzzylips wrote...

nekhbet wrote...

senorfuzzylips wrote...

I agree. Unless it's a goodbye kiss, I really don't understand it at all. If they run away together a la the friendship ending... that just seems like even more of a disaster for poor Anders mental health. He can't keep fighting Vengeance forever; he's already almost lost.

Am I the only one who's thrilled of that option because it's so miserable and nasty to everyone involved? I'd def. want to do it on one playthrough, in addition to my "yay let's blow up the chantry together and kill all templars" and "poor sod rest in peace" playthroughs.

Well, I have a hard time doing things that are bad for the characters I like. I pretty much always metagame try to friend/ rival them based on which I think is a better ending for them

But, I suppose if you're looking for the ultimate tragic ending for Anders, then there'd be no better option. Lol.

So far I've only rivaled Merrill and Fenris, but I could do it with any other character besides Anders, just because it SHATTERS him and I can't stand to see it. No one else in the group suffers all that much from rivalry, but Anders suffers hard core. 

I totally agree. He seems more broken when rivaled, whereas the others just seem willing to agree to disagree. (Though Fenris, for example, holds onto his anger so much more when rivaled that I prefer to friend him.)

Don't get me wrong, I understand why some people prefer to rival him (with or w/o romance), but that path just isn't for me. My grumpy (aggressive lol), pro-circle Hawke was sad for me to play, and I won't be doing that again.

Modifié par senorfuzzylips, 12 avril 2011 - 09:07 .