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[Tasmen]

Miri1984 wrote...

@Tasmen THE MULLET. IT BURNS.

It makes me remember an ex-boyfriend's hair and my hair metal years.


(don't ask me why I felt I had to link this one...but I DID)

Modifié par Tasmen, 12 avril 2011 - 10:36 .

[ipgd]

nodice wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

@nodice:

Did you just say Dude Hawke has no variety in his voice?

I can no longer take you seriously. At all.

Did you before 

Ok, let's say with Lady Hawke if feel I'm listening to a voice actress, Mr. Hawke seems a bit...underwhelming in comparison. I just think he's saying everything with the same tone, pretty much. Something's not just as good, to me at least  I've seen the romance scenes too and Lady Hawke just rocks.

Someone made a vid.

I like female Hawke better for diplomatic, but Boulton owns snark!Hawke so hard. I also think Wyatt's voice is a little too light and girly for aggressive.

[Jean]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Ehh. I'm not fangirling over Adam Howden.
First of all, I cannot navigate Twitter, so I avoid it lest my brain explode.
Second of all, I try not to even see what VAs look like, or else their face will replace the face of the character, which is not acceptable.
Third of all....just...not interested.

Uggh same.
Plus I'd feel like a creepy creeper.

[Inzhuna]

Miri1984 wrote...

LOL Adam Howden ILU http://www.reverbnation.com/adamhowden

brb loling forever. That was so much win.

[DeaHamlet]

I am convinced that the Anders romance must be messed up... why, you ask?
Well, I just did Merrill's romance with a sarcastic Hawke and Hawke was very funny and hilarious when she invited Merrill to live with her. Hawke said something like "I want to outrage my neighbours by inviting my elf lover to move in". It seemed perfect.
I don't see how sarcastic Hawke would tell Anders "I want you right here, until the day we die"... I don't see it. It really doesn't fit.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

[Miri1984]

@Batteries I am comfortable in my internet persona being a creepy creeper. Considering that's what the internet was invented for .

[Inzhuna]

DeaHamlet wrote...

I am convinced that the Anders romance must be messed up... why, you ask?
Well, I just did Merrill's romance with a sarcastic Hawke and Hawke was very funny and hilarious when she invited Merrill to live with her. Hawke said something like "I want to outrage my neighbours by inviting my elf lover to move in". It seemed perfect.
I don't see how sarcastic Hawke would tell Anders "I want you right here, until the day we die"... I don't see it. It really doesn't fit.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

I am of opinion it's bugged, too. Although the line about outraging the neighbours is there for all Hawkes, IIRC.

[Ryzaki]

Miri1984 wrote...
He says it so many times, on both friendship and rivalry. Justice IS him. He is Justice. And I know it's dodgy, because there are traits that belong to both of them that surface at different times, but that's the same as anyone else out there - I have angry traits and happy traits and it often depends entirely on how much sleep I've had which person I am on any given day. The only difference for Anders is that he has a name for it.

He is NOT Justice no matter how much he says it. They are two beings. They have always been two beings. 

Your angry traits and happy traits don't have their own form that don't rely on you. 

That's the difference between a normal person and Anders. Justice doesn't rely on him for anythin other than a body. And that can be gottenfrom anywhere. Your traits don't exist outside of you. If you die your traits die with you. That doesn't apply for Justice. Far more of a difference than "just a name." 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 avril 2011 - 10:43 .

[CatOfEvilGenius]

Inzhuna wrote...

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...


I also do not see the friendship path as enabling.  You don't HAVE to agree with him all the time on the friendship path.  You can question him, disagree, call him on his lies.  Just not too often, he's so touchy.   You can get him to 100% friendship very early in Act 2, mostly just by siding with mages.  In Act 3, you can have Hawke believe that saltpeter is really for a potion, then get upset with him about the lie.  You can try to stop him from blowing up the chantry, and watch Justice take over and yell at Justice.  You can be kind and loving and mage freeing, and still disagree about bombs and possession.  He gets snarfed by Vengeance despite Hawke's best efforts, in that scenario.

Really? I thought that scene is rivalry-specific?

Erm, let me double check...  I know you have to be really careful with your dialogue options, because only a few of them lead to "you lied to me" and "don't blow sh*t up".  I know in rivarly I had several options to ranging from "yay, I like terrorism" to "no, terrorism is bad", I think you have almost all the same options in friendmance.

Unless you mean the color of the dialogue choice?  You can click red and purple stuff occasionally in friendmance and it's still friendmance.  Friendmance doesn't have to be "always click green leafies".

edit: I don't recall the "you lied, don't blow stuff up" being a "star" option or a rivalry only option.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong.  I think they were just dialogue.

Modifié par CatOfEvilGenius, 12 avril 2011 - 10:41 .

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Ryzaki wrote...

 On rivalry you're trying to rip the two of them apart. It's probably not gonna work but you don't want Anders to lose himself to a demon. 

To be honest, I do believe blood magic can assist with that. (and remember, the school itself isn't evil, but I have some theories regarding the reason mages who use it typically go bonkers)

Blood magic is capable of tearing the veil and controling things (maybe demons, if the mage in question has a powerful enough will). Obviously, on the friendship path, Anders is far too... fused with Vengeance, and tearing them appart (if possible) will kill or damage him. (Or worse, turn him tranquil)

But what if there was a way to weaken the demon or return him to Justice?
Obviously, there would need to be some way of lessening Ander's rage and resentment towards the Chantry. The problem with the virtue of Justice and the sins of Vengeance (Wrath/Rage. Does that make Vengeance a powerful rage demon...?) is that it's easy for the two to change or for the fine line between them to blur (after all, Justice is a human concept, and is unique to every person.)

I wonder if Justice is confused being outside of the fade?
I mean the mortal world and the Fade are like opposites.

Mortal world: The people's minds, hearts and emotions are ever changing. They're all virtues and all sins at once, shaped by thought and will. The world is static and unchanging.

Fade: The inhabitants are static. They're preset sins or virtues, and rarely change. The world however, is shaped by thought and will.

I don't think Justice can comprehend humanity, or what went wrong...

(Speaking of which, the opposite of Wrath is Compassion, which would suit my Hawke quite well. Maybe I should get her possessed... XD)


...have I gone off topic here?

Anyway, what I was saying is: If there was a way to lessen Vengeance's burden, and help Anders cope properly and the two to coexist, what do you think it'd be?

I think weakening Justice/Vengeance or moving him back to the fade as a seperate entity while maintaining the bong between Anders and the spirit might work... maybe. if you can stop him taking over on top of that. <_<

The romantic in me likes the idea of Hawke forging some kind of bond with Justice (can a spirit healer/blood mage do that...?) so that the overwhelming strength of his spirit is shared over two souls.

Whether that could happen or not, is another thing altogether (makes them a real little threesome though, no? )

Modifié par Dreaming-in-Shadow, 12 avril 2011 - 10:48 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

thenyxie wrote...

Hee. I am amused that Adam Howden also follows Nathan Fillion.

Anyone with a soul does.

[Ryzaki]

Female Hawke sounds too uncertain to me. She needs a little base in her voice.

[CatOfEvilGenius]

Tasmen wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

@Tasmen THE MULLET. IT BURNS.

It makes me remember an ex-boyfriend's hair and my hair metal years.


(don't ask me why I felt I had to link this one...but I DID)

Anders:  THIS IS KIRKWALL!!!!
Anders: *kicks templar into pit*

[Inzhuna]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Inzhuna wrote...

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...


I also do not see the friendship path as enabling.  You don't HAVE to agree with him all the time on the friendship path.  You can question him, disagree, call him on his lies.  Just not too often, he's so touchy.   You can get him to 100% friendship very early in Act 2, mostly just by siding with mages.  In Act 3, you can have Hawke believe that saltpeter is really for a potion, then get upset with him about the lie.  You can try to stop him from blowing up the chantry, and watch Justice take over and yell at Justice.  You can be kind and loving and mage freeing, and still disagree about bombs and possession.  He gets snarfed by Vengeance despite Hawke's best efforts, in that scenario.

Really? I thought that scene is rivalry-specific?

Erm, let me double check...  I know you have to be really careful with your dialogue options, because only a few of them lead to "you lied to me" and "don't blow sh*t up".  I know in rivarly I had several options to ranging from "yay, I like terrorism" to "no, terrorism is bad", I think you have almost all the same options in friendmance.

Unless you mean the color of the dialogue choice?  You can click red and purple stuff occasionally in friendmance and it's still friendmance.  Friendmance doesn't have to be "always click green leafies".

edit: I don't recall the "you lied, don't blow stuff up" being a "star" option or a rivalry only option.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong.  I think they were just dialogue.

You didn't notice the bolded part? I was only asking about Justice taking over when you're trying to convince Anders to cancel whatever he's palnning. I know that " Friendmance doesn't have to be "always click green leafies"."

[Dunizel]

Sialater wrote...
LOL, thanks for reading my Wall o' Text.

It doesn't HAVE to be abusive, but it can be.  But still doesn't invalidate the rest of my analysis.

It was a very pleasant Wall o' Text

No, my point doesn't invalidate at all your analysis at all, I was just showing another way of playing the rivalmance was possible. 
I agree with you analysys, especially with the end. By the end of the game, Anders has nothing left but Hawke, be it a rival or a friend. It doesn't have nothing left and he is ready to die, wants to die. I think he is broken either way after what he has done. I can see him following Hawke whatever he decides, trusting him completely because he can no longer trust himself.

It is the same reason why Hawke (or at least some Hawkes) can't kill Anders. He is all the family he has left. He lived with him for so many years and loves him, kill him would be unbearable. Maybe soem Hawkes approve too his actions, but this is not what I was trying to say here

[Ryzaki]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

 On rivalry you're trying to rip the two of them apart. It's probably not gonna work but you don't want Anders to lose himself to a demon. 

To be honest, I do believe blood magic can assist with that. (and remember, the school itself isn't evil, but I have some theories regarding the reason mages who use it typically go bonkers)

Blood magic is capable of tearing the veil and controling things (maybe demons, if the mage in question has a powerful enough will). Obviously, on the friendship path, Anders is far too... fused with Vengeance, and tearing them appart (if possible) will kill or damage him. (Or worse, turn him tranquil)

But what if there was a way to weaken the demon or return him to Justice?
Obviously, there would need to be some way of lessening Ander's rage and resentment towards the Chantry. The problem with the virtue of Justice and the sins of Vengeance (Wrath/Rage. Does that make Vengeance a powerful rage demon...?) is that it's easy for the two to change or for the fine line between them to blur (after all, Justice is a human concept, and is unique to every person.)

I wonder if Justice is confused being outside of the fade?
I mean the mortal world and the Fade are like opposites.

Mortal world: The people's minds, hearts and emotions are ever changing. They're all virtues and all sins at once, shaped by thought and will. The world is static and unchanging.

Fade: The inhabitants are static. They're preset sins or virtues, and rarely change. The world however, is shaped by thought and will.

I don't think Justice can comprehend humanity, or what went wrong...

(Speaking of which, the opposite of Wrath is Compassion, which would suit my Hawke quite well. Maybe I should get her possessed... XD)


...have I gone off topic here?

Anders is always on topic.  

And interesting. Bloodmagic is obscenely powerful. And I am fond of Anders dominating over Justice myself. Not in that way ya pervs.  

[Purposeof-Flight]

LMFAO nice.
I'm sorry, Anders. I love you...so much.
But...you will never be Gerard Butler. -passes out from the sheer hotness of that man-

[CatOfEvilGenius]

Inzhuna wrote...

(snippity snip snip)

You didn't notice the bolded part? I was only asking about Justice taking over when you're trying to convince Anders to cancel whatever he's palnning. I know that " Friendmance doesn't have to be "always click green leafies"."

I did notice, just wasn't sure if you were asking if 1) the option only appears in rivalrymance or 2) the option is red.  So, like I said, I think friendmance gets the option too, but I don't recall, so don't hold me to it.

[DeaHamlet]

Inzhuna wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...

I am convinced that the Anders romance must be messed up... why, you ask?
Well, I just did Merrill's romance with a sarcastic Hawke and Hawke was very funny and hilarious when she invited Merrill to live with her. Hawke said something like "I want to outrage my neighbours by inviting my elf lover to move in". It seemed perfect.
I don't see how sarcastic Hawke would tell Anders "I want you right here, until the day we die"... I don't see it. It really doesn't fit.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

I am of opinion it's bugged, too. Although the line about outraging the neighbours is there for all Hawkes, IIRC.

Diplomatic Hawke says that too?  
I thought it was just my sarcastic flirtatious Hawkette that did that.  Oh my, Hawke is either OVER the top with Anders or way chillaxed with Merrill.  Crazy woman.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Ryzaki wrote...

Female Hawke sounds too uncertain to me. She needs a little base in her voice.

To be honest, no one is going to sound as badass as Jennifer Hale. Pretty sure Shepard would sound great even when saving kittens from a tree.

[Inzhuna]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Inzhuna wrote...

(snippity snip snip)

You didn't notice the bolded part? I was only asking about Justice taking over when you're trying to convince Anders to cancel whatever he's palnning. I know that " Friendmance doesn't have to be "always click green leafies"."

I did notice, just wasn't sure if you were asking if 1) the option only appears in rivalrymance or 2) the option is red.  So, like I said, I think friendmance gets the option too, but I don't recall, so don't hold me to it.

I see, but I was asking about a scene, not an option. I guess I just found myself an excuse to play some more Dragon Age.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

LMFAO nice.
I'm sorry, Anders. I love you...so much.
But...you will never be Gerard Butler. -passes out from the sheer hotness of that man-

I would do things to Gerard Butler. Terrible things.

[CatOfEvilGenius]

Ryzaki wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

 On rivalry you're trying to rip the two of them apart. It's probably not gonna work but you don't want Anders to lose himself to a demon. 

To be honest, I do believe blood magic can assist with that. (and remember, the school itself isn't evil, but I have some theories regarding the reason mages who use it typically go bonkers)

Blood magic is capable of tearing the veil and controling things (maybe demons, if the mage in question has a powerful enough will). Obviously, on the friendship path, Anders is far too... fused with Vengeance, and tearing them appart (if possible) will kill or damage him. (Or worse, turn him tranquil)

But what if there was a way to weaken the demon or return him to Justice?
Obviously, there would need to be some way of lessening Ander's rage and resentment towards the Chantry. The problem with the virtue of Justice and the sins of Vengeance (Wrath/Rage. Does that make Vengeance a powerful rage demon...?) is that it's easy for the two to change or for the fine line between them to blur (after all, Justice is a human concept, and is unique to every person.)

I wonder if Justice is confused being outside of the fade?
I mean the mortal world and the Fade are like opposites.

Mortal world: The people's minds, hearts and emotions are ever changing. They're all virtues and all sins at once, shaped by thought and will. The world is static and unchanging.

Fade: The inhabitants are static. They're preset sins or virtues, and rarely change. The world however, is shaped by thought and will.

I don't think Justice can comprehend humanity, or what went wrong...

(Speaking of which, the opposite of Wrath is Compassion, which would suit my Hawke quite well. Maybe I should get her possessed... XD)


...have I gone off topic here?

Anders is always on topic.  

And interesting. Bloodmagic is obscenely powerful. And I am fond of Anders dominating over Justice myself. Not in that way ya pervs.  

I would prefer that they merge completely, and Justice have a say in things, once he heals and itsn't Vengeance.  Remember what Anders said after almost killing Ella?  About watching through your eyes, but not being able to control what your body does?  He said Justice must feel like that much of the time.  I don't want that for Justice.  I don't know if Justice can comprehend the material world, or the human mind, as a human does, but he was curios about it, and did enjoy bits of it in Awakenings.

[Purposeof-Flight]

Merrill is so freaking adorable.
But I don't know if I should compare her to a puppy that mauls people or a rabid koala.
You know...really sweet but...A BLOOD MAGE. -gasps-

I loved when she was talking to Anders and she was like, "All spirits are dangerous. I realized this...I'm sorry you didn't."
Poor Anders, he got told by the rabid koala of my party.

[Miri1984]

Ryzaki wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...
He says it so many times, on both friendship and rivalry. Justice IS him. He is Justice. And I know it's dodgy, because there are traits that belong to both of them that surface at different times, but that's the same as anyone else out there - I have angry traits and happy traits and it often depends entirely on how much sleep I've had which person I am on any given day. The only difference for Anders is that he has a name for it.

He is NOT Justice no matter how much he says it. They are two beings. They have always been two beings. 

Your angry traits and happy traits don't have their own form that don't rely on you. 

That's the difference between a normal person and Anders. Justice doesn't rely on him for anythin other than a body. And that can be gottenfrom anywhere. Your traits don't exist outside of you. If you die your traits die with you. That doesn't apply for Justice. Far more of a difference than "just a name." 

They were two beings before they merged. Now they're two aspects of the ONE person. In my opinion any way. And it's hard to try to equate his situation with anything in the real world because Thedas... isn't. 

And actually, I disagree. There is an abstract concept of "Anger" that totally exists outside of me. That Justice is an embodiment of that trait is peculiar to Thedas, but concepts in this world have their own kind of form.