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#22101
Purposeof-Flight

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AnniLau wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Ehh. I'm not fangirling over Adam Howden.
First of all, I cannot navigate Twitter, so I avoid it lest my brain explode.
Second of all, I try not to even see what VAs look like, or else their face will replace the face of the character, which is not acceptable.
Third of all....just...not interested.


Uggh same.
Plus I'd feel like a creepy creeper.


*merrily creeps like a creepy creeper*


Seriously, that's what Twitter is there for. It's not like we're standing around outside his house, peering in the windows.


You would if you could.

#22102
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MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...
Sure, that's exactly what'll happen.:wub:
*turns to other users*
Not a chance.


I know, but hey, I can day-dream. :P
(Of course, I also enjoy picturing Hawke dying at the hand of Templars or being captured and made Tranquil or something, and Anders going absolutely psychotic! Or flipside; Anders dies, and Hawke becomes a lunatic maleficar-abomination. Hell, she could become Vengeance's new host!)

#22103
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Ryzaki wrote...

The only betrayal in the fade that really pissed me off was Fenris.

I just wanted "REALLY? All your harping about mages and demons and you're tryingto cut a deal? WTF man!"
As for Anders and Justice spirits merging. I always get confused. Especially considering the whole bit with the Warden and Archedemon's souls destroying each other. Or was that the taint? I get confused. 


"You're pissing in the wind demon! I got my boy Fenris here to back my **** up. Fenris?"

And suddenly he's lobotomized you with a sword.

#22104
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CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

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Hmm... maybe as Ander's rage and hate corrupted Justice, Hawke's love (and compassion?) for Anders (if (s)he has that. XD) can help Anders, and throuh that "purify" Vengeance?

...what? I'm a hopeless romantic! Lemme alooooneee... XD


Can I join your hopeless romantic "let's heal Anders" club?  It sounds so much more pleasant than all my finished playthroughs so far!  My poor Anders survival rate is 33%.


Sure, why not. Even if it never happens, we can still day-dream...

#22105
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Purposeof-Flight wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Ehh. I'm not fangirling over Adam Howden.
First of all, I cannot navigate Twitter, so I avoid it lest my brain explode.
Second of all, I try not to even see what VAs look like, or else their face will replace the face of the character, which is not acceptable.
Third of all....just...not interested.


Uggh same.
Plus I'd feel like a creepy creeper.


*merrily creeps like a creepy creeper*


Seriously, that's what Twitter is there for. It's not like we're standing around outside his house, peering in the windows.


You would if you could.


I'm not that weird.

#22106
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ipgd wrote...

Anders is really inconsistent about his dealio with Justice, so I don't really think anyone can definitively say whether they're truly completely merged or retain individuality.

The best I can do to make sense of it is that he experiences near-constant cognitive dissonance in everything he does (in the same "brainspace", originating entirely from a singular mind), but is informed enough to understand which aspect of his former selves his conflicting opinions each originate from. When he says "Justice thinks", he means "the part of me I more closely associate with Justice".

The "possessions" may be some sort of centrifuge effect where stressful stimulus cause his "Justice" aspect to come to the forefront but does not actually become distinct from the "Anders" aspect. But then the blackouts complicate things, and it gets terribly confusing.


Your interpretation has dispelled much of my confusion.  I'm stealing it for my headcanon! XD  Real world people, even without multiple personality disorder, can have fugue episodes and blackouts.  There, one less thing for me to obsess about, yay!

I'm posting entirely too much here today, off to put away laundry or something else constructive. ;)

MelinaOfOutlawStar wrote:
I'm trying to figure the memory lapse thing as well. I would say it's
when Justice takes over but during the scene with the girl he seems
acutely aware of what he was about to do, even as Justice so it's hard
to say. The difference here may be whether he allows Justice to take
over or Justice forces control.


Hm, interesting point.  Not that I'm posting, 'cause I'm doing laundry.

Modifié par CatOfEvilGenius, 12 avril 2011 - 11:16 .


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Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The only betrayal in the fade that really pissed me off was Fenris.

I just wanted "REALLY? All your harping about mages and demons and you're tryingto cut a deal? WTF man!"


Then the fact that I had to reload a million times because he kept killing me.
Then I go talk to him about it and he's basically like, "It's your fault. Yep."
If I were Hawke, I would've throttled him right there. Like, "**** this, I can use Aveline. -strangles violently-"

But then again, if I were Hawke...and I was standing there when Anders blew up the Chantry (while I was romancing him), I would start bawling. The combination of losing both of my siblings, my mother, and now the guy I love? Whether mentally or physically...or both?
Yeah, I'd fall on my knees and start crying like a maniac, while everyone stood around me looking at eachother like, "Oh ****. There goes the only person willing to deal with our crap."


Oh god Fenris was a beast. He killed my whole party in one blow. :crying: You should've my face. 
D: 

Can't even being to express it. 

And yeah my Hawke would've given Aveline style beatdowns to half the part at the end of the game. Massive asskickings to be had. And there would've been plenty to go around. :D 

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The only betrayal in the fade that really pissed me off was Fenris.

I just wanted "REALLY? All your harping about mages and demons and you're tryingto cut a deal? WTF man!"
As for Anders and Justice spirits merging. I always get confused. Especially considering the whole bit with the Warden and Archedemon's souls destroying each other. Or was that the taint? I get confused. 


"You're pissing in the wind demon! I got my boy Fenris here to back my **** up. Fenris?"

And suddenly he's lobotomized you the whole party with a sword.


Fix'd. 
:crying:

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 avril 2011 - 11:13 .


#22108
MelfinaofOutlawStar

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Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The only betrayal in the fade that really pissed me off was Fenris.

I just wanted "REALLY? All your harping about mages and demons and you're tryingto cut a deal? WTF man!"


Then the fact that I had to reload a million times because he kept killing me.
Then I go talk to him about it and he's basically like, "It's your fault. Yep."
If I were Hawke, I would've throttled him right there. Like, "**** this, I can use Aveline. -strangles violently-"

But then again, if I were Hawke...and I was standing there when Anders blew up the Chantry (while I was romancing him), I would start bawling. The combination of losing both of my siblings, my mother, and now the guy I love? Whether mentally or physically...or both?
Yeah, I'd fall on my knees and start crying like a maniac, while everyone stood around me looking at eachother like, "Oh ****. There goes the only person willing to deal with our crap."


Very well put.:lol:

Pretty much how my fanfic went. Mental breakdown but then she got back on the bike.

#22109
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AnniLau wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Ehh. I'm not fangirling over Adam Howden.
First of all, I cannot navigate Twitter, so I avoid it lest my brain explode.
Second of all, I try not to even see what VAs look like, or else their face will replace the face of the character, which is not acceptable.
Third of all....just...not interested.


Uggh same.
Plus I'd feel like a creepy creeper.


*merrily creeps like a creepy creeper*


Seriously, that's what Twitter is there for. It's not like we're standing around outside his house, peering in the windows.


You would if you could.


I'm not that weird.


Mmmmmmmmmhmmmmmmm. ^_^

#22110
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Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...
Sure, that's exactly what'll happen.:wub:
*turns to other users*
Not a chance.


I know, but hey, I can day-dream. :P
(Of course, I also enjoy picturing Hawke dying at the hand of Templars or being captured and made Tranquil or something, and Anders going absolutely psychotic! Or flipside; Anders dies, and Hawke becomes a lunatic maleficar-abomination. Hell, she could become Vengeance's new host!)

Hawke is Evey huhuhuhu

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When Fenris betrayed me in the fade I had winter's grasp, crushing prison, and a martyred chain lightning from mah Fade buddy Justice ready to completely wipe that guy out. Just do not let him hit you... there's a reason I want him in my party for the final battle.

#22112
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Ryzaki wrote...

The only betrayal in the fade that really pissed me off was Fenris.

I just wanted "REALLY? All your harping about mages and demons and you're tryingto cut a deal? WTF man!"
As for Anders and Justice spirits merging. I always get confused. Especially considering the whole bit with the Warden and Archedemon's souls destroying each other. Or was that the taint? I get confused. 


ME TOO.  I'm not blaming him for being susceptible to the demon's influence.  That's what demons do, and it was obviously using its powers against them.  That's forgivable.  But Fenris continues to rant and rave about mages being so weak and susceptible to demons.  I'm not saying his points are entirely invalid, but it still makes me raise an eyebrow and go "Really?!" when Fenris makes a deal with a demon and then continues howling about how mages are evil for doing the same thing.

#22113
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Purposeof-Flight wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

*merrily creeps like a creepy creeper*

Seriously, that's what Twitter is there for. It's not like we're standing around outside his house, peering in the windows.


You would if you could.


I'm not that weird.


Mmmmmmmmmhmmmmmmm. ^_^


I wouldn't. I mean, the airfare alone...

Modifié par AnniLau, 12 avril 2011 - 11:16 .


#22114
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Miri1984 wrote...

When Fenris betrayed me in the fade I had winter's grasp, crushing prison, and a martyred chain lightning from mah Fade buddy Justice ready to completely wipe that guy out. Just do not let him hit you... there's a reason I want him in my party for the final battle.


I just took all his gear off.:lol:

#22115
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MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

When Fenris betrayed me in the fade I had winter's grasp, crushing prison, and a martyred chain lightning from mah Fade buddy Justice ready to completely wipe that guy out. Just do not let him hit you... there's a reason I want him in my party for the final battle.


I just took all his gear off.:lol:


LOL.

#22116
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leggywillow wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The only betrayal in the fade that really pissed me off was Fenris.

I just wanted "REALLY? All your harping about mages and demons and you're tryingto cut a deal? WTF man!"
As for Anders and Justice spirits merging. I always get confused. Especially considering the whole bit with the Warden and Archedemon's souls destroying each other. Or was that the taint? I get confused. 


ME TOO.  I'm not blaming him for being susceptible to the demon's influence.  That's what demons do, and it was obviously using its powers against them.  That's forgivable.  But Fenris continues to rant and rave about mages being so weak and susceptible to demons.  I'm not saying his points are entirely invalid, but it still makes me raise an eyebrow and go "Really?!" when Fenris makes a deal with a demon and then continues howling about how mages are evil for doing the same thing.


Fenris: You made a deal with a demon, you're evil.
Merrill: .....
Anders: .....Wait, didn't you just-
Hawke: Anders, don't. Do you really think it's going to go anywhere? That he's going to have some kind of epiphany. No, he'll just come up with some BS excuse and you guys will start fistfighting again. 
Anders: But I-
Hawke: I SAID NO. GODDAMNIT.

#22117
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Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...
Sure, that's exactly what'll happen.:wub:
*turns to other users*
Not a chance.


I know, but hey, I can day-dream. :P
(Of course, I also enjoy picturing Hawke dying at the hand of Templars or being captured and made Tranquil or something, and Anders going absolutely psychotic! Or flipside; Anders dies, and Hawke becomes a lunatic maleficar-abomination. Hell, she could become Vengeance's new host!)


Ugh this thread moves faaaast.

Just wanted to chime in on this and say, I also have interesting day dreams where my Hawke is captured/killed/made Tranquil and Anders finally losing his **** for once and for all.

I've also thought about the "Anders dying and Hawke becoming as obsessed as Anders and becomes Justice's new host", but then I thought... "Nah, too cliched."

Well, at least I'm not alone in my insanity.

#22118
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leggywillow wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The only betrayal in the fade that really pissed me off was Fenris.

I just wanted "REALLY? All your harping about mages and demons and you're tryingto cut a deal? WTF man!"
As for Anders and Justice spirits merging. I always get confused. Especially considering the whole bit with the Warden and Archedemon's souls destroying each other. Or was that the taint? I get confused. 


ME TOO.  I'm not blaming him for being susceptible to the demon's influence.  That's what demons do, and it was obviously using its powers against them.  That's forgivable.  But Fenris continues to rant and rave about mages being so weak and susceptible to demons.  I'm not saying his points are entirely invalid, but it still makes me raise an eyebrow and go "Really?!" when Fenris makes a deal with a demon and then continues howling about how mages are evil for doing the same thing.


This.  I went to his mansion to chew him out, and none of the red options had nearly enough angry screaming and calling him names.

#22119
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leggywillow wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The only betrayal in the fade that really pissed me off was Fenris.

I just wanted "REALLY? All your harping about mages and demons and you're tryingto cut a deal? WTF man!"
As for Anders and Justice spirits merging. I always get confused. Especially considering the whole bit with the Warden and Archedemon's souls destroying each other. Or was that the taint? I get confused. 


ME TOO.  I'm not blaming him for being susceptible to the demon's influence.  That's what demons do, and it was obviously using its powers against them.  That's forgivable.  But Fenris continues to rant and rave about mages being so weak and susceptible to demons.  I'm not saying his points are entirely invalid, but it still makes me raise an eyebrow and go "Really?!" when Fenris makes a deal with a demon and then continues howling about how mages are evil for doing the same thing.


Yeah, it seems to be some weird disconnect with the writing staff. I mean, did every single one of your companions have to betray you? Some of their reactions was very out of character.

#22120
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Agh! Fenris!

I love him, but he has to be my least favourite NPC!

After the fade, Hawke was like: "It's OK, it's not your fault" and crap.

Me? I was thinking more of the lines of: "No it's not ****ing OK you little hypocrtical knife-eared ******!!! What the **** was that!? There were THREE mages in the party, and who gave into promises of power!? If you ever try to feed us that magic-is-evil bull**** again, I will personally beat the living **** out of you and rape you to death strangle you with my bare hands!!!"

What? I was upset. <_<
I got over it... a little...

Modifié par Dreaming-in-Shadow, 12 avril 2011 - 11:23 .


#22121
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Purposeof-Flight wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Ehh. I'm not fangirling over Adam Howden.
First of all, I cannot navigate Twitter, so I avoid it lest my brain explode.
Second of all, I try not to even see what VAs look like, or else their face will replace the face of the character, which is not acceptable.
Third of all....just...not interested.


Uggh same.
Plus I'd feel like a creepy creeper.


*merrily creeps like a creepy creeper*


Seriously, that's what Twitter is there for. It's not like we're standing around outside his house, peering in the windows.


You would if you could.


I'm not that weird.


Mmmmmmmmmhmmmmmmm. ^_^


How old is this guy anyway? Some of his tweets look like things my father would say. Which adds to the creeper vibe a bit more for me.

#22122
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Miri1984 wrote...

When Fenris betrayed me in the fade I had winter's grasp, crushing prison, and a martyred chain lightning from mah Fade buddy Justice ready to completely wipe that guy out. Just do not let him hit you... there's a reason I want him in my party for the final battle.


Or be a warrior! :wizard:

There is little as satisfying as my Hawke and Fenris wailing on each other in the Fade for a few minutes. I feel bad taking out Isabela, Varric and Aveline, but it's CATHARTIC with Fenris. 

#22123
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Like...Fenris being totally okey dokey with you making Orana your slave.
At first he's like "**** YOU AND THE ****ING HORSE YOU RODE IN ON, ****!"
Then he gets over it. So quickly that he shows up at my estate later to rub peeners. On the sheets that Orana washed. For no pay.

#22124
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Miri1984 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

When Fenris betrayed me in the fade I had winter's grasp, crushing prison, and a martyred chain lightning from mah Fade buddy Justice ready to completely wipe that guy out. Just do not let him hit you... there's a reason I want him in my party for the final battle.


I just took all his gear off.:lol:


LOL.


Which is still kind of bollocks because everyone has a default weapon apparently. The fight would have been far more entertaining just watching him lyrium punching things.

#22125
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Also, Fenris had the GALL to say "It's your fault for taking me into the fade in the first place!"

Fenris' head? MEET JUSTICE'S FIST.