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leggywillow wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

My dream team is my Hawke, Anders, Alistair, my Amell, Varric, and Zevran having a conversation in a bar.


My dream team is Anders, Alistair, Zevran, and Fenris.

Naked.

Yeah.


I would be looking between Alistair and Anders so quickly I'd have whiplash.

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Trophonius wrote...

I noticed that Nathaniel/Oghren seemed to have an obsession with Anders' robes. What could they possibly want to do with it?  :whistle: Oh, nevermind me.

I actually hadn't thought about that particular OT3, but now that you've mentioned it, I'm going to have a hard time keeping it out of my head. And yeah, m!Hawke/Anders sure make a handsome couple. Angsty, bipolar (going for the rivalmance here), and emotionally damaging....just the way I like it.

You're right about that. Anders > Alistair. I mean, I like both, but Anders' charm is nigh incomparable. If we had a banter between the two, he'd be like Morrigan who always smokes Alistair in arguments.

On a side note, was Anders born in the Anderfels? The codex seems to imply that Anderfels = Germany. Maybe he had a German accent, but lost it when his family surrendered him to the Fereldan Circle? And his name! Let's guess a couple:

Dieter? Adrian? Dominik? Gisbert? Henrik? Ludolf? Rudiger? Soren? Vinzent?


Bahahaha! Posted Image The Awakening banter was just awesome. Although the only one that made me cringe slightly was Oghren's crack about the 'big Templar man'. That one made me double-take... and then I laughed anyway.

*sighs* I know it's a stock response, but my male Hawke threatening the blood mages that took his Anders away... oh that made me squee so hard I almost combusted. I think I like the idea of Warrior Hawke with Anders because of the Medic/Heavy dynamic. If you have two mages then some jerk with a sword can get in close and ruin your day. Also, Mage Hawke has a stake in it from the start, with warrior or rogue there's really not as much keeping him there so it makes it seem sweeter (to me anyway). Still, I like the appeal of the old lover and the new (Nate and Hawke respectively) joining forces to make our broken mage's life happy again. Yes, it's pretty much personal canon now. I can't help it.

Hmm. Germany huh? I suppose years in Fereldan alters any accent they might have. I've known people whose accents have changed in less than five years.

Names...? *tries not to run through all the German power metal bands she loves*

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Valentia X wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

So out of curiosity, a question to those of you who romanced Anders.

At the end of the game did you

a) kill him
B) tell him to leave
c) allow him to stay but end the romance
d) allow him to stay and stay together at the end
?


Ran off to be batcrap crazy with him. There was nothing left in Kirkwall but ashes and bad memories.


Now I'm picturing Anders and Hawke doing a Morrigan/Flemeth kind of deal. Living in a hut in some forest and luring templars to kill them.:devil:


lol, nah. I saw them running off into the wilds, but with Anders attempting to assist mages and innocents and Hawke helping him. More of the Anders we first meet, healing refugees. Not to say they won't dish out the pain and destruction when need be, obviously, but Anders had already done his grand scheme. Now they have to deal with the aftermath. Helping mages escape (especially into Ferelden >.>) struck me as their M.O.


That would be lovely. I just hope that DA3 actually has something to do with the whole mages/templars conflict and doesn't end up being something completely separate taking place on the other side of Thedas.

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maselphie wrote...

Osama Bin Laden is still at large, isn't he?


He must have destroyed his phylactery.

(EDIT to add the obligatory "Just kidding!")

Modifié par leggywillow, 18 mars 2011 - 11:28 .


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silver-crescent wrote...

Well given that there's a war going on, I figure there ought to be a lot of mages who would help them/ally themselves to them/give them shelter.


Sure, but if I'm a moderate mage - even one who might otherwise be sympathetic to the cause - I'd resent Anders if he started this whole continental ****storm and then didn't follow through by organizing and leading a revolution, instead electing to run.

Because that'd add cowardace and irresponsibility to the list of things Anders could be criticized for.  I really don't see "running away" - in the metaphorical sense of abandoning the cause to preserve his/their lives, as of course theyre going to have to be on the run from the Templars - as a responsible choice for him or a Hawke that follows him.  Otherwise what he did could be described as picking a fight with the bully on behalf of all the kids he beats up, and then leaving those kids to fend for themselves when the bully gets really, really pissed.

maselphie wrote...

Osama Bin Laden is still at large, isn't he?


At large and still in charge, at least in the same sense he always - well, for a couple decades now at least - was. 

If Anders simply ran it would be like if Osama bin Laden had orchestrated 9/11 and then bailed on his organization to hide from the Western militaries that would now be coming after them.  Sure he's hiding, but he still runs the show.  At least as much as he ever did.  

That being said, while some comparisons to contemporary terrorists do work they tend to fall apart under scrutiny in a number of ways.  While what he did was an act of terrorism, that doesn't mean he has a great deal of things in common with other terrorists.  Terrorism is a tactic, not a way of life, so the people that utilize it can be very different.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 mars 2011 - 11:33 .


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Okay, I have wine and I am starting my third playthrough. Will I be able to romance Fenris this time around? Only time will tell..same bat time, same bat channel.

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TripLight wrote...

It's just occured to me that Anders never destroyed his phylactery....


I thought about that the other night. 

My Hawke is so ordering Isabela to take their happy party of outcasts to Denerim straightaway. The queen would walk over broken Chantry glass for Anders, so they can be safe while they hatch a plan to steal and destroy his phylactery.

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silver-crescent wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

So out of curiosity, a question to those of you who romanced Anders.

At the end of the game did you

a) kill him
B) tell him to leave
c) allow him to stay but end the romance
d) allow him to stay and stay together at the end
?


Ran off to be batcrap crazy with him. There was nothing left in Kirkwall but ashes and bad memories.


Now I'm picturing Anders and Hawke doing a Morrigan/Flemeth kind of deal. Living in a hut in some forest and luring templars to kill them.:devil:


lol, nah. I saw them running off into the wilds, but with Anders attempting to assist mages and innocents and Hawke helping him. More of the Anders we first meet, healing refugees. Not to say they won't dish out the pain and destruction when need be, obviously, but Anders had already done his grand scheme. Now they have to deal with the aftermath. Helping mages escape (especially into Ferelden >.>) struck me as their M.O.


That would be lovely. I just hope that DA3 actually has something to do with the whole mages/templars conflict and doesn't end up being something completely separate taking place on the other side of Thedas.


If I could have it my way, Anders would be in DA3 either in physical form (and with Hawke, if that ending is chosen) or as a benign presence in the Fade, who is performing atonement (either forced or of their own violition) to help aid the.... what, we've had hero and champion, I suppose it's time to meet destiny's saviour or something. If the mages/chantry conflict is so important, who better to pass along information?

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HolyJellyfish wrote...
I mean, I WARNED miss Eldina chick. And she got all stubborn on me with a "I cannot leave because the Maker blahdeedah". I wish there was a B*tchslap option, followed by. "WELL AT LEAST EVACUATE THE AREA!"

Where's Shepard when you need her.
*Shepard enters*
"I'm gonna blow this place to hell and gone. If you wanna make it out alive you better start running."
*Shepard leaves*

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Rheia1234 wrote...

Okay, I have wine and I am starting my third playthrough. Will I be able to romance Fenris this time around? Only time will tell..same bat time, same bat channel.


Do what I did, pretend Anders and Bethany have a not-so-secret relationship. It works especially since I am not playing a mage and he keeps mentioning her in conversation. Kinda cute, actually.

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[quote]Nivilant wrote...

[quote]Trophonius wrote...


Dieter? Adrian? Dominik? Gisbert? Henrik? Ludolf? Rudiger? Soren? Vinzent?

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oh dear, going by modern standard it would be either dustin or.... well.... mehmet:lol:

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nodice wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...
I mean, I WARNED miss Eldina chick. And she got all stubborn on me with a "I cannot leave because the Maker blahdeedah". I wish there was a B*tchslap option, followed by. "WELL AT LEAST EVACUATE THE AREA!"

Where's Shepard when you need her.
*Shepard enters*
"I'm gonna blow this place to hell and gone. If you wanna make it out alive you better start running."
*Shepard leaves*


You know the more I think about that the more it bugs me...

Hawke: Leave. You're in danger.
Elthina: I will not abandon my flock.
Hawke: ... So leave with your flock. What are they, glued to the spot?

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Upsettingshorts wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Well given that there's a war going on, I figure there ought to be a lot of mages who would help them/ally themselves to them/give them shelter.


Sure, but if I'm a moderate mage - even one who might otherwise be sympathetic to the cause - I'd resent Anders if he started this whole continental ****storm and then didn't follow through by organizing and leading a revolution, instead electing to run.

Because that'd add cowardace and irresponsibility to the list of things Anders could be criticized for.  I really don't see "running away" - in the metaphorical sense - as a responsible choice for him or a Hawke that follows him.  Otherwise what he did could be described as picking a fight with the bully on behalf of all the kids he beats up, and then leaving those kids to fend for themselves when the bully gets really, really pissed.


But at the end of the game he does say he'll keep fighting until mages are free, he even demands Hawke join his cause.

And tbh I doubt most mages in Kirkwall would oppose the revolution, given how they are treated (WAY worse than the Ferelden ones).

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SurelyForth wrote...

TripLight wrote...

It's just occured to me that Anders never destroyed his phylactery....


I thought about that the other night. 

My Hawke is so ordering Isabela to take their happy party of outcasts to Denerim straightaway. The queen would walk over broken Chantry glass for Anders, so they can be safe while they hatch a plan to steal and destroy his phylactery.



I had a whole story in my head with Isabella and Zevran, doing a Hudson Hawke "Tommy and Eddie" Swinging on a Star number while sneaking into the Chantry Phylactery Vault.

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I don't see why it bugs anyone. She's a reasonable, responsible person of great local authority. Her office, both literally and symbolically, is the Chantry. She is, more or less, the representative of the Maker in Kirkwall. If she left the Chantry not only is she literally not in position to tend to her flock, it would be symbolic of the Maker Himself abandoning the city.

Elthina is one of the few reasonable, clearheaded, non-zealots in the entire game.

silver-crescent wrote...

But at the end of the game he does say he'll keep fighting until mages are free, he even demands Hawke join his cause.


Good good, I wasn't sure as I haven't finished a game where I sided with him - enthusiastically or not - yet.

silver-crescent wrote...

And tbh I doubt most mages in Kirkwall would oppose the revolution, given how they are treated (WAY worse than the Ferelden ones).


Even then some wouldn't, if the real world history of revolutions is any guide.  But the war is all but destined to spread beyond Kirkwall.  Just especially those in more reasonable - in terms of the mage/Templar relationship - in Thedas.   I get the feeling the entire continent is going to pay a price one way or another for what happened in Kirkwall.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 mars 2011 - 11:40 .


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silver-crescent wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Well given that there's a war going on, I figure there ought to be a lot of mages who would help them/ally themselves to them/give them shelter.


Sure, but if I'm a moderate mage - even one who might otherwise be sympathetic to the cause - I'd resent Anders if he started this whole continental ****storm and then didn't follow through by organizing and leading a revolution, instead electing to run.

Because that'd add cowardace and irresponsibility to the list of things Anders could be criticized for.  I really don't see "running away" - in the metaphorical sense - as a responsible choice for him or a Hawke that follows him.  Otherwise what he did could be described as picking a fight with the bully on behalf of all the kids he beats up, and then leaving those kids to fend for themselves when the bully gets really, really pissed.


But at the end of the game he does say he'll keep fighting until mages are free, he even demands Hawke join his cause.

And tbh I doubt most mages in Kirkwall would oppose the revolution, given how they are treated (WAY worse than the Ferelden ones).


Of course there are going to be mages who are upset with him, but I imagine there will be just as many mages who will rally to the cause. Not to mention the ex-Templars and pro-mage families.

In Act III they already started fighting back. Anders just took away the medium ground.

Even then, I was under the impression based on Cassandra's retelling of the legend, that no one really believes Anders is the only one to blame. Cassandra seems to assume that the entire PARTY is at fault - Especially Hawke. Doesn't matter if you are Pro-Templar or Pro-Mage, Hawke is to blame for the Chantry's explosion and Meredith's discent (According to the Legend).

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Upsettingshorts wrote...

I don't see why it bugs anyone. She's a reasonable, responsible person of great local authority. Her office, both literally and symbolically, is the Chantry. She is, more or less, the representative of the Maker in Kirkwall. If she left the Chantry not only is she literally not in position to tend to her flock, it would be symbolic of the Maker Himself abandoning the city.

Elthina is one of the few reasonable, clearheaded, non-zealots in the entire game.


But isn't that then sacrificing people for the sake of symbolism? She was told, possibly multiple times, that something was going to happen. To neglect those warnings for herself is fine, but she didn't think to protect her flock by... them not being there?

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Nivilant wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I don't see why it bugs anyone. She's a reasonable, responsible person of great local authority. Her office, both literally and symbolically, is the Chantry. She is, more or less, the representative of the Maker in Kirkwall. If she left the Chantry not only is she literally not in position to tend to her flock, it would be symbolic of the Maker Himself abandoning the city.

Elthina is one of the few reasonable, clearheaded, non-zealots in the entire game.


But isn't that then sacrificing people for the sake of symbolism? She was told, possibly multiple times, that something was going to happen. To neglect those warnings for herself is fine, but she didn't think to protect her flock by... them not being there?


She said it herself(not verbatim), "Who would dare attack a Grand Cleric?" She thought no one would touch her.

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So what I'm trying to say is, it doesn't really matter if you run away with Anders, Merrill, or even Sandal.

People aren't interested in hunting down Anders (Well... except Sebastian). They want Hawke. They believe Hawke is to blame for EVERYTHING. Hawke is the number one wanted fugitive. Anders? second at best.

That's why Varric retells the story. To expose the truth - that it isn't Hawke's fault entirely. And that's why no one knows where the heck Hawke is.

So yeah. It doesn't matter if you run away with Anders. You are going to be hunted down regardless.

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I always thought Elthina was one of the few voices of reason and that maybe if she'd stepped in sooner it would have provided a middle way. Oh well, there was also Trask who tried to show that mages and templars could work together, but we all know how that went...pity.

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Ethina is senile, that's why she acts like that.

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Nivilant wrote...

But isn't that then sacrificing people for the sake of symbolism? She was told, possibly multiple times, that something was going to happen. To neglect those warnings for herself is fine, but she didn't think to protect her flock by... them not being there?


Something was going to happen, she didn't think the entire Chantry would be destroyed in a massive explosion of magic, heck even Anders took three years unearthing obscure Tevinter bomb recipes just to make it happen. 

The way I took it was she thought that violence was going to continue to escalate, and that the Chantry would have a lot of work to do, both in terms of spiritual guidance and humanitarian aid. 

Telling her "hey get out something bad is gonna happen" is like asking her to quit her job at a time when it couldn't be more important.

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yukidama wrote...
ALSO, wtf? Lol:

David Gaider wrote...

atheelogos wrote...
LOL!!:lol::lol::lol:

But really though....


Well, the thing is that Anders isn't his first name, either. It's a nickname (his family is from the Anderfels).

So providing you with his real name wouldn't be much help. Posted Image


*shakes fist* Gaiderrrrrrr!


FUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

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Nivilant wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I don't see why it bugs anyone. She's a reasonable, responsible person of great local authority. Her office, both literally and symbolically, is the Chantry. She is, more or less, the representative of the Maker in Kirkwall. If she left the Chantry not only is she literally not in position to tend to her flock, it would be symbolic of the Maker Himself abandoning the city.

Elthina is one of the few reasonable, clearheaded, non-zealots in the entire game.


But isn't that then sacrificing people for the sake of symbolism? She was told, possibly multiple times, that something was going to happen. To neglect those warnings for herself is fine, but she didn't think to protect her flock by... them not being there?


I agree. There is a difference between being faithful and tending the flock, and just being completely blind to the problem.

Mage vs Templars were escalating, and she just refused to take sides and twiddle her thumbs in the Chantry. I can't defend someone who sits back and watches the world around her burn by not doing ANYTHING. She's NOT an innocent bystander. She could have saved millions of lives, and doing nothing was just as great a sin.

Seriously. My play through. I totally warned her about Anders, and she wouldn't budge despite all the lives at stake. She carries just as much blame as Anders, Orsino, and Meredith.

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TripLight wrote...

Nivilant wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I don't see why it bugs anyone. She's a reasonable, responsible person of great local authority. Her office, both literally and symbolically, is the Chantry. She is, more or less, the representative of the Maker in Kirkwall. If she left the Chantry not only is she literally not in position to tend to her flock, it would be symbolic of the Maker Himself abandoning the city.

Elthina is one of the few reasonable, clearheaded, non-zealots in the entire game.


But isn't that then sacrificing people for the sake of symbolism? She was told, possibly multiple times, that something was going to happen. To neglect those warnings for herself is fine, but she didn't think to protect her flock by... them not being there?


She said it herself(not verbatim), "Who would dare attack a Grand Cleric?" She thought no one would touch her.


Apparently the Divine would, since she was considering an exalted march and told Elthina to get out of town while she could. Collateral damage, etc.