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[Miri1984]

I love that his shoulders are shaking. WITH THE SHAME .

And we can have it again for TOP:

Modifié par Miri1984, 13 avril 2011 - 03:08 .

[Amondra]

Bah whats the console cheat to start Nate's quest. Damn guy has gone and bugged on me again.

[Zep Rowsdower]

yukidama wrote...

He was just trying to copy the invisibody trend Meredanders started. LERN2B ORIGINAL, CULLEN.

He was hoping not having a body would get him some sweet mage action. Silly Cullen, you need to rock the cyan eyeshadow first.

[Tasmen]

Miri1984 wrote...

I love that his shoulders are shaking. WITH THE SHAME .

From shame, or the **** in his towel?

edit:  The **'ing on here is so random.  Let's just call it the 'little army of starkhavens' in his towel.

Modifié par Tasmen, 13 avril 2011 - 03:13 .

[nyxocity]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ugh stupid ****ing forum.
 

thenyxie wrote...
Um. Is that directed at me? Because it doesn't quash my feelings on the matter. It's my personal feeling that it doesn't make sense to ME, which last I checked, I'm allowed to maintain, and argue when challenged. While sialater's and ipgn's thoughts both make me consider things, I have not yet changed my opinion. 

I wasn't trying to quash your feelings on the matter. To me saying it's "OOC" without seeing the whole ending playing out is similar to saying what a room looks like when you're blindfolded and only have basic descriptions to go off of.

There's a vast difference in saying "oh I don't see it as something that Anders would do." Vs. "Oh that's something Anders would never do." One is a opinion. The second is a factual statement.

The second is what bothers me because most of us have never seen the ending. W've seen snippets. We haven't even seen all the leadup dialogue because 90% of it is bugged to all hell. If you meant the first rather than the second then I apologize and I jumped down your throat as I am prone to do. 



On the friendship mance side. I can't see Anders being very satisified with the stalement the mages and templars seem to be at. And he hasalready shown himself willing to go behind Hawke's back to force conflict. Do you think he'd continue to do that? Even after the mages rebel in the circles? Because even though they'll be "free" they won't really be allowed to live as freely as other people. 

 
It's always my opinion. I'm ultimately aware of that, no matter how I phrase it.  And I apologize if it comes off otherwise.

Would Anders go behind Hawke's back again... I don't think so. Maybe, but... On the friendship path, Hawke's shown his/her support for his cause if she doesn't kill him and sides with the mages. He even says he should have told Hawke the truth and trusted Hawke. I think he's convinced at that point that Hawke's there for him. Especially if Hawke goes doen the "we'll be fugitives together" route. Hawke's given to the cause at that point.

[ipgd]

Amondra wrote...

Bah whats the console cheat to start Nate's quest. Damn guy has gone and bugged on me again.

runscript zz_dae_debug

Should be under secondary plots and one-offs or something. Pick "work with" and accept the quest.

[leggywillow]

Miri1984 wrote...

I love that his shoulders are shaking. WITH THE SHAME .

And we can have it again for TOP:

::snip::

I love the way Fenris and Anders are fighting.  On top of each other naked in the bath... oh guys.  That's no way to quell the Foe Yay fans.

[Miri1984]

What Thenyxie said. After the chantry, Hawke basically has the option of saying "I've got your back whatever you do" which is certainly what my friendmanced Hawke means. So technically Justice doesn't have any reason to go behind her back any more.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Yeah, I want my Templar ending. Sorry Anders but I need to get back into Cullen's good graces and hopefully his pants. If you help me there will be a threesome and cake.

[Ryzaki]

thenyxie wrote.. 

I thIt's always my opinion. I'm ultimately aware of that, no matter how I phrase it.  And I apologize if it comes off otherwise.

Would Anders go behind Hawke's back again... I don't think so. Maybe, but... On the friendship path, Hawke's shown his/her support for his cause if she doesn't kill him and sides with the mages. He even says he should have told Hawke the truth and trusted Hawke. I think he's convinced at that point that Hawke's there for him. Especially if Hawke goes doen the "we'll be fugitives together" route. Hawke's given to the cause at that point.

And my bad for jumping down your throat. I'm just a little bit tired of the "i'm glad it's bugged" attitude when it doesn't have to effect someone else's game. Just ignore it. If the mere presence of it bothers someone so much that they  can't bare someone else doing that ending. Well I'm sorry but screw em. There's the option to ignore it. Crying about that is on the same level as crying about a bisexual romance to me. It's optional. You don't like it? Ignore it.  You feel it ruins the character? Ignore it. You think it's massively OOC? Ignore it. 

But don't try to tell people that they shouldn't have an ending that the developers put in the game just because you don't like it and expect me to take you seriously. If you can't enjoy the story without stomping on others toys too bad. 

I think sparing the Architect is momenutually stupid. Do I bemoan the fact that others can spare him in their games? No. 

I think softening Morrigan enough for her to let the PC in her plans is a bit bleh. Does that mean I say others shouldn't have been able to go through the mirror wth her? No. 

Why? Because I don't have to do that in my game and it's an option I can freely ignore. Just like the Anders with the templar ending will be. 

Edit: And no this rant isn't towards any poster in particular and no the rant isn't towards the poster I quoted. 

I think so. Anders had no problem doing it once. And if Hawke ever started sitting on their hands I could easily see Justice persuading Anders to do something similar. He might ask for Hawke's help. But if Hawke didn't offer it yeah I can see him doing it behind Hawke's back. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 avril 2011 - 03:28 .

[Amondra]

ipgd wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Bah whats the console cheat to start Nate's quest. Damn guy has gone and bugged on me again.

runscript zz_dae_debug

Should be under secondary plots and one-offs or something. Pick "work with" and accept the quest.

You are my hero!

[sassperella]

ipgd wrote...

Both the friendship and rivalry paths are pretty damn depressing. You're either enabling him until he completely gives himself to Justice, or antagonizing him until Justice becomes so corrupted and discordant that he cannot contain him. In both cases, old Anders is basically dead; it's just a matter of whether you think it's better that he fade away peacefully or fight to retain his individuality to the end.

pages ago again sorry.. I don't see the friendship path quite like this tbh. Anders from DAA was dead before the start of DA2. He's a merging of Anders and Justice as he actually says at the beginning. There are elements of both personalities but he'll never be the same Anders he was pre merging again.

While the friendship path is the enabling path, I don't disagree with that, I don't think he gives himself to Justice at the end. I think it's more a case that the two halves of the personality settle into a more companionable whole that is still comprised of both personalities, but that both personalities contribute to that whole.

In the rivalry path I think it's more a case of making those two halves less harmonious to the point that justice tries to sublimate the Anders half, who is constantly having to battle to keep some of his consciousness alive.

I personally believe that if there ever was a way to separate them the rivalry path would make that option the easiest as they are at odds on that path. However, I have now accepted that this is never going to happen and they can't be separated, ever except through death, so for me the friendship path seems to be the best option... I say for me as I know a lot of people feel the other way and it's a very personal thing.

If I ever went rivlary again I'd want the proper dialog put back and I'd kill him at the chantry to put him out of his misery, because I think that death is his only release from Justice and on the rivalry path I would have to free him from his torment.

[Purposeof-Flight]

You guys. I'm so bored.
So incredibly bored, that I'm making banners...like this.
I've made like five and I'm all bannered out. -is exhausted-

[CatOfEvilGenius]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

I already gave Anders a box of kittens.
IN MY FIC. > Seriously I did.
And he named them Ser Pouts-a-Lot, Ser Winky, Ser Cullen, and Ser Sucks-a-Lot.
Which can be taken into any context you wish. -sets your imagination free-

I demand a link to this kittenfull fic!  Demand it!

* huggles Ser Cullen *


On the subject of cats we love/hate, one of mine poos next to the litterbox.  Not in.  Next to.  The Man don't tell him where to poo!  He's a rebel without a box!  He would totally support Anders and his cause.

I haven't posted it....I am ashamed.

I cannot imagine you feeling shame, seriously, I can't.  You post in the Anders thread!

There, there, don't be sad, I cannot write at all, so by writing anything, you've got me beat.  You could post utter twaddle, and if it had kittens, I would probably oooh and aaah over it, because kittens crash my brain.  Anyway, isn't the DeviantArt community mature and constructive in their literary criticism?  Or did I just luck out in the fanfics and commentary I clicked on?

edit: It occurs to me, if Anders had a kitten, my games would end so differently.

Chantry: *BOOM!*
Anders: *sits on time-out box*
Hawke: How could you do this?!  You ****ing ****!  To me?!  To the cause?!
Hawke: *sobs* WHY, ANDERS, WHYYY?
Hawke: *pulls out murder knife*
Anders: *pulls kitten from robe pocket*
Hawke: *drops murder knife*
Hawke: OMA that is sooooo cute!!!!!!111!!!!1!
Hawke: *pets kitten, caresses Anders' stubbly chin*
Hawke: What were we talking about?

Modifié par CatOfEvilGenius, 13 avril 2011 - 03:37 .

[Ryzaki]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Yeah, I want my Templar ending. Sorry Anders but I need to get back into Cullen's good graces and hopefully his pants. If you help me there will be a threesome and cake.

 

Hopefully Anders will be covered in cake and chained to Hawke's bed. That's a nice ending. 

And Vengeance will be tamed by Hawke's mighty prowess in bed. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 avril 2011 - 03:30 .

[Purposeof-Flight]

Ryzaki wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Yeah, I want my Templar ending. Sorry Anders but I need to get back into Cullen's good graces and hopefully his pants. If you help me there will be a threesome and cake.

 

Hopefully Anders will be covered in cake and chained to Hawke's bed. That's a nice ending. 

D'awwwwyeah. <3
-pervs-

[Melca36]

Sialater wrote...

Why is it I was all too happy to corrupt Alistair's Chantry-boy-ness.... but Sebastian's made me run for the nearest Abomination?

Alistair believed in the Maker but he was not...devoted.

Sebastion is like the overly religious relative you are forced to visit with once or twice a year and his pontifcations want to make you drink. 

[ipgd]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Anyway, isn't the DeviantArt community mature and constructive in their literary criticism?

If by "mature and constructive" you mean "there's no need to fear getting anything but asspats and handjobs even if you specifically ask for it", yes :innocent:

[payroo]

so... sorry to beat a dead horse, but has the rivalmance been confirmed as bugged? And if so, are the devs aware of it?

In other words, do I need to be spamming the PC technical self-help forum with desperate pleas to the patchers?

[Ryzaki]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...
D'awwwwyeah. <3
-pervs-

Luckily you didn't catch my pervy stealth edit.  

[nyxocity]

Ryzaki wrote...

thenyxie wrote...
I hear you. I'm just going on what I know so far and what I feel, like people do. 

Hey, if they can make it make sense (to ME), I won't call foul on canon. I just think it would take some serious explaining on the part of the story/writers to have Anders turn like that. I love that ipgn and sialater can make make me even THINK about how there might be a way Anders could side with the Templars, and I'm open to that, and if Bioware shows it like that, then I'm down. 

And I also reserve the right to call foul on canon if they don't take the time and care to make that decision make sense to me. It's all about me, in the end. My saying that him siding with the Templars doesn't make sense doesn't make people who think he could inherently WRONG in my eyes. We just differ in opinion. And sure, sometimes I'll argue about it, like people do, but I know you have as much right to feel the way you do as I do.

And if I'm blind... well, sometimes I am. I try not to be though.

Eh I don't see any need for serious explanation. He's already a sad individual. Just a few more cracks in his demeanor and there you go. 

And frankly I'm gonna be honest I don't care if people don't think it makes sense to be honest. I want it in my game. If you can get your ending I should be able to get mine. At the end of the day it's just a game and it's meant for entertainment and fun. When games take themselves too seriously they get boring and I get detached. 

You don't have to take the Templar option. It's never gonna be forced on you. It may break believeability but well...doesn't break mine. Selfish but really at this point with all the *not from you* but I hope it stays bugged and yadda yadda I'm sick of trying to justify it. I want my templar ending. And those that don't like it don't have to take it. I'm not shoving my playstyle down their throat. You won't be able to take it on the friendship path regardless. And if it bothers someone so much that they can't bare someone else having the ending well frankly screw em. 

Edit: I wasn't calling you blind. Just not being able to see the whole picture (neither am I able to see the whole picture). Blindfolded just means you have something obscuring your view. That's all. 

You're right. You SHOULD be able to get the ending you want. It's only fair. But me, yes, I have the selfish hope that they cut it on purpose because they thought it didn't fit with the character. I think I DID say that, actually. At any rate I try to pretend the scenario doesn't exist. I selfishly hope that because it fits with how I see the character. Doesn't make me right, though. Because no, I don't have to take that option, ever. But for me, even knowing it exists (without further explanation in game that convinces me) makes my stomach turn because of how >I< feel about the character. Which is stupid, but there you have it. I don't begrudge YOU as a person, you SHOULD be able to have the ending you want. I just want that ending not to be possible for so many reasons. It's a silly stance, because it's all based on my perception. But it's how I feel.

Looking at that, I guess I am unintentionally thereby begrudging you and others... it's not my intent, honestly. I want a world where we can both be happy.

Bottom line, if that ending becomes available, I may hate it or get behind it depending on how they do it, but I'll deal. If I have to make ipgn's and sialater's explanations my canon to do it, I will.

And yeah, I went with blind instead of blindfolded, but I really meant the same thing. I can't see the whole picture, therefore I am going on what I can make out. No offense taken there. But sometimes I AM blind, and I know it.

[Ryzaki]

payroo wrote...

so... sorry to beat a dead horse, but has the rivalmance been confirmed as bugged? And if so, are the devs aware of it?

In other words, do I need to be spamming the PC technical self-help forum with desperate pleas to the patchers?

Hepler believes it's bugged. As she's the one who most likely wrote the scene and it can still be enabled in the dev console with full dialogue I'm fairly certain it's bugged. The devs are aware of it. 

[Purposeof-Flight]

Melca36 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Why is it I was all too happy to corrupt Alistair's Chantry-boy-ness.... but Sebastian's made me run for the nearest Abomination?

Alistair believed in the Maker but he was not...devoted.

Sebastion is like the overly religious relative you are forced to visit with once or twice a year and his pontifcations want to make you drink. 

Seb: Hawke, do you believe...in the Maker?
Hawke: I believe in Anders in chains. With lots of whipped cream.
Seb: Wh-what?
Hawke: Yep. Lots of chocolate and lots of whipped cream. Who needs the Maker when you've got Anders' chocolate covered-
Seb: UH I have to go. Uh, Chantry....business. Now. Bye.
Hawke: May the Maker shine his light on you, or whatever.

[Tasmen]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...
Seb: Hawke, do you believe...in the Maker?
Hawke: I believe in Anders in chains. With lots of whipped cream.
Seb: Wh-what?
Hawke: Yep. Lots of chocolate and lots of whipped cream. Who needs the Maker when you've got Anders' chocolate covered-
Seb: UH I have to go. Uh, Chantry....business. Now. Bye.
Hawke: May the Maker shine his light on you, or whatever.

Shame shower...

[sassperella]

ipgd wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Both the friendship and rivalry paths are pretty damn depressing. You're either enabling him until he completely gives himself to Justice, or antagonizing him until Justice becomes so corrupted and discordant that he cannot contain him. In both cases, old Anders is basically dead; it's just a matter of whether you think it's better that he fade away peacefully or fight to retain his individuality to the end.

I don't agree with this on the friendship path. I don't think he HAS completely given himself to Justice, any more than he already has, that is. Old Anders was dead the moment he let Justice in - I think that's pretty clear from the short story. He's ALREADY gone, and trying to get him back just doesn't work, is NEVER going to work. On the friendship path you're not letting him "give in" to Justice, you're accepting the new Anders.

That's my two cents, any way.

I don't know. I see a really marked decline over the course of the game, even compared solely to act I Anders. He just gradually becomes completely consumed by his obsession. I think these banters highlight it well:

Act II:
Anders: Boiling in oil.
Varric: Too prosaic. Trapped in a cave with hungry bears, right at the spring thaw.
Anders: That lets him off too easy. Dipped in molten gold and left as a statue in the Viscount's Keep.
Varric: Ooh. That's poetic!
Hawke: What are you two talking about?
Varric: What to do to Bartrand when I find him.
Anders: Any suggestions?

Act III:
Varric: So, the knight-commander... Boiling in oil? That one never gets old.
Anders: This is past time for joking.
Varric: I'm helping you indulge in elaborate revenge fantasies. I think it's good for you.
Anders: Meredith will die. Do not doubt that.
Varric: Go away, Justice. Can Anders come out and play?
Anders: Stop.
Varric: You are no fun anymore.

But also the situation in Kirkwall is deteriorating. In act 1 he is working with the mage underground which by act 3 Meredith has annihilated, he has seen so many mages turn to blood magic, if you click on him occasionally you get "our cause is almost lost". I think circumstance and events also play on his demeanour act 3 he has made the decision about the bomb and is probably spending most of his time thinking about that and its implications and consequences which leaves little room for joking. 

As he sees more mages killed, made tranquil, abused it's bound to have an effect on him. Kirkwall is the epitome of everything he's fighting and everything he hates, and over the course of six years he's remained a spectator watching the decline and doing very little and that little he is doing - the mage underground - gets quashed by act 3.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I just think it's open to interpretation and is more complex than a simple 'well that's it Justice finally got him.' at the end.