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[Tasmen]

Festooooooooooooooooooning...

[Ryzaki]

thenyxie wrote...
You're right. You SHOULD be able to get the ending you want. It's only fair. But me, yes, I have the selfish hope that they cut it on purpose because they thought it didn't fit with the character. I think I DID say that, actually. At any rate I try to pretend the scenario doesn't exist. I selfishly hope that because it fits with how I see the character. Doesn't make me right, though. Because no, I don't have to take that option, ever. But for me, even knowing it exists (without further explanation in game that convinces me) makes my stomach turn because of how >I< feel about the character. Which is stupid, but there you have it. I don't begrudge YOU as a person, you SHOULD be able to have the ending you want. I just want that ending not to be possible for so many reasons. It's a silly stance, because it's all based on my perception. But it's how I feel.

Looking at that, I guess I am unintentionally thereby begrudging you and others... it's not my intent, honestly. I want a world where we can both be happy.

Bottom line, if that ending becomes available, I may hate it or get behind it depending on how they do it, but I'll deal. If I have to make ipgn's and sialater's explanations my canon to do it, I will.

And yeah, I went with blind instead of blindfolded, but I really meant the same thing. I can't see the whole picture, therefore I am going on what I can make out. No offense taken there. But sometimes I AM blind, and I know it.

I can understand that. And hopefully it is bugged and will be fixed so you'll see it for yourself how in character it is. Eh I'm blind too. I'm just a bull in a china shop. If it's not bugged I'll probably give up on the Anders romance because half of it is just...pointless. And it's the only half I'm interested in. And frankly the rivalry path made me see Anders as more of a individual swept up in forces he can't control (see I like this with NPCs. Not with my PCs) and he's fighting but he's losing and he's losing everything and clingy to the few things he does have left (Hawke). Friendship path just makes me feel like I'm enabling a abomination that cares for nothing other than their cause. (I'd kill anyone in Kirkwall to see mages free.) Might as well kill him since there's little human left in there. There's being driven and then there's being...empty. I feel friendship Anders has a whole in him. Even dumping him at the gallows just leads to him going on about his cause. Hawke's useful because they help his cause. Everything is about the cause. He's just a shell of a human being. A husk.

 Anyways at least we could come to an understanding right? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 avril 2011 - 03:44 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Anders/Cullen/Hawke threesome. That's one sexy sandwich.

On a more seriously note my next chapter for my fanfic is up. If it hasn't shown up yet on FF.net it's on my DA in my sig. Beware for it's riddled with plot holes and spelling errors.

[CatOfEvilGenius]

ipgd wrote...

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Anyway, isn't the DeviantArt community mature and constructive in their literary criticism?

If by "mature and constructive" you mean "there's no need to fear getting anything but asspats and handjobs even if you specifically ask for it", yes :innocent:

Even if you tell them you like it rough and can take the pain?  Well, that's disappointing.  I did see some folks making clarification suggestions, and pointing out obvious mistakes, so maybe they'll slap you around just a little bit?

MelfinaOfOutlawStar wrote:
On a more seriously note my next chapter for my fanfic is up. If it
hasn't shown up yet on FF.net it's on my DA in my sig. Beware for it's
riddled with plot holes and spelling errors.

Melfina - Can I go post constructive criticism about the plot holes and spelling errors? ;p  I feel it is my duty to contribute to DeviantArt in some small way, after all you wonderful authors and artists have done for me.

Modifié par CatOfEvilGenius, 13 avril 2011 - 03:53 .

[leggywillow]

Speaking of Seb, and thinking about my neverending mission to compare DA2 characters with It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Seb is 100% Rickety Cricket.  (Of course, that means Hawke is Dee in this scenario, but whatever.)

[Jean]

I wanted to see more of this mage underground deal. He obviously had a lot going on with them and probably saw a lot more of the templars' side of abuse up front more than we ever did.

[nyxocity]

Ryzaki wrote...

thenyxie wrote.. 

I thIt's always my opinion. I'm ultimately aware of that, no matter how I phrase it.  And I apologize if it comes off otherwise.

Would Anders go behind Hawke's back again... I don't think so. Maybe, but... On the friendship path, Hawke's shown his/her support for his cause if she doesn't kill him and sides with the mages. He even says he should have told Hawke the truth and trusted Hawke. I think he's convinced at that point that Hawke's there for him. Especially if Hawke goes doen the "we'll be fugitives together" route. Hawke's given to the cause at that point.

And my bad for jumping down your throat. I'm just a little bit tired of the "i'm glad it's bugged" attitude when it doesn't have to effect someone else's game. Just ignore it. If the mere presence of it bothers someone so much that they  can't bare someone else doing that ending. Well I'm sorry but screw em. There's the option to ignore it. Crying about that is on the same level as crying about a bisexual romance to me. It's optional. You don't like it? Ignore it.  You feel it ruins the character? Ignore it. You think it's massively OOC? Ignore it. 

But don't try to tell people that they shouldn't have an ending that the developers put in the game just because you don't like it and expect me to take you seriously. If you can't enjoy the story without stomping on others toys too bad. 

I think sparing the Architect is momenutually stupid. Do I bemoan the fact that others can spare him in their games? No. 

I think softening Morrigan enough for her to let the PC in her plans is a bit bleh. Does that mean I say others shouldn't have been able to go through the mirror wth her? No. 

Why? Because I don't have to do that in my game and it's an option I can freely ignore. Just like the Anders with the templar ending will be. 

Edit: And no this rant isn't towards any poster in particular and no the rant isn't towards the poster I quoted. 

I think so. Anders had no problem doing it once. And if Hawke ever started sitting on their hands I could easily see Justice persuading Anders to do something similar. He might ask for Hawke's help. But if Hawke didn't offer it yeah I can see him doing it behind Hawke's back. 

Yeah, I would never say you shouldn't have it. I might hate it, might hate that it exists (depending on how it's done), but I'd never say you shouldn't have it. I'm a canon b*tch. If they make it canon, it's canon. I'll work my head around it when that happens.

And I think that if Hawke opposed him on some other terrorist/revolutionary movement, yeah, he'd go around Hawke. But I think after blowing up the Chantry and killing at least the six or seven innocents we saw, Hawke's probably good with anything if she/he sides with him. That was a HUGE decision making point for my Hawke. My Hawke is always like, okay from this point, I'm either ALL IN or ALL OUT, no matter what, because that was a BIG DEAL and I have to decide here and now what lengths I'm willing to go to for this rebellion. I don't think he'd ever need to go around MY Hawke's again, at any rate.

[Tasmen]

leggywillow wrote...

Speaking of Seb, and thinking about my neverending mission to compare DA2 characters with It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Seb is 100% Rickety Cricket.  (Of course, that means Hawke is Dee in this scenario, but whatever.)

Oh man....

You are SO right.

[Dasha Dreyson]

I know I'm late to the game, but at least the Twilight actors have a nice cat right?


Yeah, I'm a crazy lady.


By the way, I love how you guys can be full of both humor and intelligent conversation at the same time.  <3  

Modifié par Dasha Dreyson, 13 avril 2011 - 04:02 .

[CatOfEvilGenius]

Batteries wrote...

I wanted to see more of this mage underground deal. He obviously had a lot going on with them and probably saw a lot more of the templars' side of abuse up front more than we ever did.

I want mage underground missions as DLC! 
* waves money at BioWare *
Gimme!

[Ryzaki]

thenyxie wrote...
Yeah, I would never say you shouldn't have it. I might hate it, might hate that it exists (depending on how it's done), but I'd never say you shouldn't have it. I'm a canon b*tch. If they make it canon, it's canon. I'll work my head around it when that happens.

And I think that if Hawke opposed him on some other terrorist/revolutionary movement, yeah, he'd go around Hawke. But I think after blowing up the Chantry and killing at least the six or seven innocents we saw, Hawke's probably good with anything if she/he sides with him. That was a HUGE decision making point for my Hawke. My Hawke is always like, okay from this point, I'm either ALL IN or ALL OUT, no matter what, because that was a BIG DEAL and I have to decide here and now what lengths I'm willing to go to for this rebellion. I don't think he'd ever need to go around MY Hawke's again, at any rate.

Canon b****?  I'm the type who doesn't care about canon as long as I can have fun. Which is why I couldn't stand JKR's interviews. I'm minding my business writing fanfics that are perfectly IC and not AU and then she blows that up with one of those damn interviews (which many contradict each other!) and I get slammed for "OMG THAT'S NOT CANON!" I ended up raging that they could shove their canon where the sun didn't shine.  (not about you but the HP fandom can get utterly insane when it comes to canon  vs fanon).  God the debates and the urgh. Just thinking about it makes me shudder. 

Ah. I do want to see the rivalrymance for a Hawke that sides with the mages. I wonder if you have to kill him on that condition. As long as it doesn't default to the friendship dialogue again I'll be happy. That was disturbing. The rivalry romance dialogue for killing him is very bittersweet. 

Though yeah I have a few Hawke's that were pretty much on the "this was a one time thing. You *cannot* go around blowing up churches and expect people to support mages being free. It doesn't work that way."  point of view. They're mostly the type who (frankly should've killed him). Once I'm sure on if the rivalry ending isn't boinked but was cut out that's probably what they'll do. I'll just RP it as them seeing Justice fully taking over Anders when the Chantry explodes. 

Won't be as tragic as the cut rivalrymance ending. But can't get everything I want. 

And really Anders. Showing up to fight me with bloodmages and demons? That totally makes your cause look stronger. Moron. <_<

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 avril 2011 - 03:57 .

[nyxocity]

Miri1984 wrote...

What Thenyxie said. After the chantry, Hawke basically has the option of saying "I've got your back whatever you do" which is certainly what my friendmanced Hawke means. So technically Justice doesn't have any reason to go behind her back any more.

Yes, this. For my Hawke's, anyway.

[leggywillow]

Ryzaki wrote...
Ah. I do want to see the rivalrymance for a Hawke that sides with the mages. I wonder if you have to kill him on that condition. As long as it doesn't default to the friendship dialogue again I'll be happy. That was disturbing. The rivalry romance dialogue for killing him is very bittersweet.

Is that bugged too?  When I killed him (FOR SCIENCE!  It's not "canon" in any my playthroughs; I love him too much) as a friend and a rival, I got the same dialogue for both.  Something like "For what it's worth, I'm glad it's you.  It was nice to be happy for a little while."

[Jean]

leggywillow wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Ah. I do want to see the rivalrymance for a Hawke that sides with the mages. I wonder if you have to kill him on that condition. As long as it doesn't default to the friendship dialogue again I'll be happy. That was disturbing. The rivalry romance dialogue for killing him is very bittersweet.

Is that bugged too?  When I killed him (FOR SCIENCE!  It's not "canon" in any my playthroughs; I love him too much) as a friend and a rival, I got the same dialogue for both.  Something like "For what it's worth, I'm glad it's you.  It was nice to be happy for a little while."

Hawke says "I love you Anders, I will never stop loving you." But that may be an overall line for a romanced Anders. Just bugged on both sides of the romance? I dunno.

I don't know if Anders says anything different.

Modifié par Batteries, 13 avril 2011 - 03:58 .

[Ryzaki]

leggywillow wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Ah. I do want to see the rivalrymance for a Hawke that sides with the mages. I wonder if you have to kill him on that condition. As long as it doesn't default to the friendship dialogue again I'll be happy. That was disturbing. The rivalry romance dialogue for killing him is very bittersweet.

Is that bugged too?  When I killed him (FOR SCIENCE!  It's not "canon" in any my playthroughs; I love him too much) as a friend and a rival, I got the same dialogue for both.  Something like "For what it's worth, I'm glad it's you.  It was nice to be happy for a little while."

Yes. It too is bugged. At least I didn't get any different dialogue. But the bleh stab before moving on. 

He's supposed to say something like this. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 avril 2011 - 04:00 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

To be honest stabbing him in the back is kind of anticlimactic. We should have fought, to the death!

To the death I say!

Modifié par MelfinaofOutlawStar, 13 avril 2011 - 04:00 .

[Ryzaki]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

To be honest stabbing him in the back is kind of anticlimactic. We should have fought, to the death!

Actually you can. And he supposedly brings bloodmages (I kill them too quickly to see for sure both characters who did this were rogues.) and demons (that I defintely see) into the fight. <_< 

Tell him to leave then side with the templars. He'll confront you at the gallows. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 avril 2011 - 04:02 .

[CatOfEvilGenius]

Anyone here have an Anders friendmance that ended in "I love you in spite of what you do", rather than "I love you no matter what you do"? Friendship and love aren't unconditional support of someone's bad decisions. Loving someone can mean trying to change their mind when you think they've gone off the rails, when others would just write them off as a crazy that needs killing. Does the in-game dialogue let you play that kind of Hawke at the end, during the time-out-box scene?

Not criticising all the folks in the "love you no matter what" camp, or the "Hawke supports his decision" camp, or saying their Hawkes agreed with Anders all the time. You can all play the way you like to, and have your own headcanon. Just wondering if folks in the "love you despite yourself" camp got what they wanted from the game dialogue.

edit: minor edits for spelling and clarification

Modifié par CatOfEvilGenius, 13 avril 2011 - 04:15 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Ryzaki wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

To be honest stabbing him in the back is kind of anticlimactic. We should have fought, to the death!

Actually you can. And he supposedly brings bloodmages (I kill them too quickly to see for sure) and demons (that I defintely see) into the fight. <_< 

Tell him to leave then side with the templars. He'll confront you at the gallows. 

Nice going Anders.

[Jean]

Ryzaki wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

To be honest stabbing him in the back is kind of anticlimactic. We should have fought, to the death!

Actually you can. And he brings bloodmages and demons into the fight. <_< 

Tell him to leave then side with the templars. He'll confront you at the gallows. 

I facepalmed so hard at that. So hard.

The dialogue with a snarky Hawke felt so lame and anti climatic.

"Lol let's member the good ol' times yes?... No?.." >_>

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Anyone here have an Anders friendmance that ended in "I love you in spite of what you do", rather than "I love you no matter what you do"? Friendship and love aren't unconditional support of someone's bad decisions. Loving someone can mean trying to change their mind when you think they've gone off the rails, when others would just write them off as a crazy that needs killing. Does the in-game dialogue let you play that kind of Hawke at the end, during the time-out-box scene?

Not criticising all the folks in the "love you no matter what" camp, or saying their Hawks agreed with Anders all the time. You can all play the way you like to, and have your own headcanon. Just wondering if folks in the "love you despite yourself" camp got what they wanted from the game dialogue.

I've only ever gotten "love you no matter what" which made my Hawke seem like she had the memory of a goldfish.

[nyxocity]

Ryzaki wrote...

thenyxie wrote...
You're right. You SHOULD be able to get the ending you want. It's only fair. But me, yes, I have the selfish hope that they cut it on purpose because they thought it didn't fit with the character. I think I DID say that, actually. At any rate I try to pretend the scenario doesn't exist. I selfishly hope that because it fits with how I see the character. Doesn't make me right, though. Because no, I don't have to take that option, ever. But for me, even knowing it exists (without further explanation in game that convinces me) makes my stomach turn because of how >I< feel about the character. Which is stupid, but there you have it. I don't begrudge YOU as a person, you SHOULD be able to have the ending you want. I just want that ending not to be possible for so many reasons. It's a silly stance, because it's all based on my perception. But it's how I feel.

Looking at that, I guess I am unintentionally thereby begrudging you and others... it's not my intent, honestly. I want a world where we can both be happy.

Bottom line, if that ending becomes available, I may hate it or get behind it depending on how they do it, but I'll deal. If I have to make ipgn's and sialater's explanations my canon to do it, I will.

And yeah, I went with blind instead of blindfolded, but I really meant the same thing. I can't see the whole picture, therefore I am going on what I can make out. No offense taken there. But sometimes I AM blind, and I know it.

I can understand that. And hopefully it is bugged and will be fixed so you'll see it for yourself how in character it is. Eh I'm blind too. I'm just a bull in a china shop. If it's not bugged I'll probably give up on the Anders romance because half of it is just...pointless. And it's the only half I'm interested in. And frankly the rivalry path made me see Anders as more of a individual swept up in forces he can't control (see I like this with NPCs. Not with my PCs) and he's fighting but he's losing and he's losing everything and clingy to the few things he does have left (Hawke). Friendship path just makes me feel like I'm enabling a abomination that cares for nothing other than their cause. (I'd kill anyone in Kirkwall to see mages free.) Might as well kill him since there's little human left in there. There's being driven and then there's being...empty. I feel friendship Anders has a whole in him. Even dumping him at the gallows just leads to him going on about his cause. Hawke's useful because they help his cause. Everything is about the cause. He's just a shell of a human being. A husk.

 Anyways at least we could come to an understanding right? 

There's certainly sadness in me/my Hawke's to understand that Anders will always be ultimately ruled by his mission, but I do think that Anders still loves Hawke in there. I've never done a rivalmance, so I can't speak to that, and that's purely because I can't stomach it. But I see what you're saying. I see your POV. The friendmance ending isn't the most loving and I have to fill in the gaps sometimes. You'd think he'd be all, you're on my side! *snogs your face off* Ah well, at least I get the he wants to have my babies line when I play a female.

I DO wish they'd given the "siding with the mages" on the Anders rivalmance path an appropriate ending. I think switching to the friendship path ending must be like WTH? Even if they MEANT to cut the rivalmance "siding with the Templars" ending, they should have done a better job on the "siding with the mages" ending on that path. That really sucks.

And yes, I like coming to understandings.  It puts my world right.

Modifié par thenyxie, 13 avril 2011 - 04:07 .

[Ryzaki]

Batteries wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

To be honest stabbing him in the back is kind of anticlimactic. We should have fought, to the death!

Actually you can. And he brings bloodmages and demons into the fight. <_< 

Tell him to leave then side with the templars. He'll confront you at the gallows. 

I facepalmed so hard at that. So hard.

The dialogue with a snarky Hawke felt so lame and anti climatic.

"Lol let's member the good ol' times yes?... No?.." >_>

I wanted a "oh thanks for proving me right! all mages do revert to bloodmagic when cornered!" Heck Fenris should've said something. A final verbal smackdown before letting Fenris tear Anders apart. 

My aggressive Hawke was a smidge better. "I'm protecting my home from people like YOU!" plus it was rivalry mance (and I kind of facepalmed at the "I loved you once but I can't let you do this." bit). Hey Anders...you know Hawke can own you in combat (This was with him specced as a healer/buffer I didn't use his Vengeance tree back then). so...yeah. This isn't gonna end well for you.

And a backstab + twin fangs + that spin slash thing later it didn't.  

[Muzzlepuffs]

sassperella wrote...

again pages ago...

I had the bug that made people white from the moment I arrived at the gallows I had to save and reload to get rid of it. The funniest thing though wasn't that half the templars were white with no texture or that half the other people were but the fact that Cullen was just a floating head. It cracked me up.

Pages ago, but no worries! I am here lurking!

I had all of the buildings in Kirkwall turn white during the Qunari invasion. It actually looked kind of cool, and it was hard to tell, since it was night time, and all the banners and other accents still had color. It was as if Kirkwall had just been built that day out of marble. I thought it was pretty.

[Ryzaki]

thenyxie wrote...

There's certainly sadness in me/my Hawke's to understand that Anders will always be ultimately ruled by his mission, but I do think that Anders still loves Hawke in there. I've never done a rivalmance, so I can't speak to that, and that's purely because I can't stomach it. But I see what you're saying. I see your POV. The friendmance ending isn't the most loving and I have to fill in the gaps sometimes. You'd think he'd be all, you're on my side! *snogs your face off* Ah well, at least I get the he wants to have my babies line when I play a female.

I DO wish they'd given the "siding with the mages" on the Anders rivalmance path an appropriate ending. I think switching to the friendship path ending must be like WTH? Even if they MEANT to cut the rivalmance "siding with the Templars" ending, they should have done a better job on the "siding with the mages" ending on that path. That really sucks.

And yes, I like coming to understandings.  It puts my world right.

LOL yeah I kind of feel that way about the friendshipmance. The rivalrymance isn't healthy either but he seems to have something that I don't see in the friendshipmance. And it's not the slap slap kiss because I like the Fenris romance equally on friendship/rivalry. (I'm starting to actually lean towards friendship a little because Fenris stops snarling at Hawke's gifts.  ) 

Indeed. Which is why I'm inclined to think it's a bug. Why do a rivalry path for the templars but not the mages? The dialogue could've been similar just replace templars with mages and going against my people with something like them letting them near him when he may have doomed them all. Vengeance can still be enraged because Anders wrested control from him. 

It does.