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[nyxocity]

Ryzaki wrote...

thenyxie wrote...
Yeah, I would never say you shouldn't have it. I might hate it, might hate that it exists (depending on how it's done), but I'd never say you shouldn't have it. I'm a canon b*tch. If they make it canon, it's canon. I'll work my head around it when that happens.

And I think that if Hawke opposed him on some other terrorist/revolutionary movement, yeah, he'd go around Hawke. But I think after blowing up the Chantry and killing at least the six or seven innocents we saw, Hawke's probably good with anything if she/he sides with him. That was a HUGE decision making point for my Hawke. My Hawke is always like, okay from this point, I'm either ALL IN or ALL OUT, no matter what, because that was a BIG DEAL and I have to decide here and now what lengths I'm willing to go to for this rebellion. I don't think he'd ever need to go around MY Hawke's again, at any rate.

Canon b****?  I'm the type who doesn't care about canon as long as I can have fun. Which is why I couldn't stand JKR's interviews. I'm minding my business writing fanfics that are perfectly IC and not AU and then she blows that up with one of those damn interviews (which many contradict each other!) and I get slammed for "OMG THAT'S NOT CANON!" I ended up raging that they could shove their canon where the sun didn't shine.  (not about you but the HP fandom can get utterly insane when it comes to canon  vs fanon).  God the debates and the urgh. Just thinking about it makes me shudder. 

Ah. I do want to see the rivalrymance for a Hawke that sides with the mages. I wonder if you have to kill him on that condition. As long as it doesn't default to the friendship dialogue again I'll be happy. That was disturbing. The rivalry romance dialogue for killing him is very bittersweet. 

Though yeah I have a few Hawke's that were pretty much on the "this was a one time thing. You *cannot* go around blowing up churches and expect people to support mages being free. It doesn't work that way."  point of view. They're mostly the type who (frankly should've killed him). Once I'm sure on if the rivalry ending isn't boinked but was cut out that's probably what they'll do. I'll just RP it as them seeing Justice fully taking over Anders when the Chantry explodes. 

Won't be as tragic as the cut rivalrymance ending. But can't get everything I want. 

And really Anders. Showing up to fight me with bloodmages and demons? That totally makes your cause look stronger. Moron. <_<

Oh, that doesn't mean I don't go around canon in my head when I can *G* I fanwank ways to make canon fit and still go with the vision in my head when I need to. But something like that, it'd take canon for me to believe it. 

As for writing fanon vs. canon, I write whatever I want. The story's either canon or not, people can like it or not. But then, I live in Supernatural fandom where they're not always picky about canon. We don't have debates about canon unless it's about Brotherf*cking vs. Just Brothers. And even those arguments died after a couple years.

If my Hawke's felt like it was a one time thing, yeah, it would be the same for me. But I just can't... play a Hawke that wouldn't follow Anders to the end of the world by the end of the game. That's totally a me thing. I'm either all in or all out, I'm extreme like that.

REALLY??? I guess at that point he doesn't have many options left, but DAMN.

ETA: Oh, am I on ToP again?

Modifié par thenyxie, 13 avril 2011 - 04:22 .

[leggywillow]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

To be honest stabbing him in the back is kind of anticlimactic. We should have fought, to the death!

To the death I say!

That's why I prefer to let Anders go and fight him when he shows up later.  No honor in stabbing a guy in the back.  Plus, it was just more epic that way.

When I did on my horrible pro-templar run, it was intense.  Everyone's health was low, and Hawke charged at Anders to try and finish him off, sword raised.  Then he pulled out a Cone of Cold and froze her in place when she was right there within melee range.  He raised his staff for what looked like a killing blow, and I seriously thought Hawke was about to die and I'd have to reload.  Then, Anders just falls backwards with three arrows sticking out of his chest.  I could almost see the grim sadness on Varric's face.

Honestly, if I didn't hate thinking about Anders' death so much, I'd probably write a one-shot about it.  It was the most poetic battle I'd ever had in a game.  XD

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Anyone here have an Anders friendmance that ended in "I love you in spite of what you do", rather than "I love you no matter what you do"?  Friendship and love aren't unconditional support of someone's bad decisions. Loving someone can mean trying to change their mind when you think they've gone off the rails, when others would just write them off as a crazy that needs killing. Does the in-game dialogue let you play that kind of Hawke at the end, during the time-out-box scene?

This is how my canon Hawke is.  She was 100% on Anders' side until the Chantry explosion.  She believed in mage freedom, despite not being a mage herself, and fought bitterly for people like Bethany and Anders to be free.  But she didn't particularly agree with the Chantry explosion.

Modifié par leggywillow, 13 avril 2011 - 04:19 .

[Ryzaki]

thenyxie wrote...
Oh, that doesn't mean I don't go around canon in my head when I can *G* But something like that, it'd take canon for me to believe it. 

As for writing fanon vs. canon, I write whatever I want. The story's either canon or not, people can like it or not. But then, I live in Supernatural fandom where they're not always picky about canon. We don't have debates about canon unless it's about Brotherf*cking vs. Just Brothers. And even those arguments died after a couple years.

If my Hawke's felt like it was a one time thing, yeah, it would be the same for me. But I just can't... play a Hawke that wouldn't follow Anders to the end of the world by the end of the game. That's totally a me thing. I'm either all in or all out, I'm extreme like that.

REALLY??? I guess at that point he doesn't have many options left, but DAMN

 

I can understand something like that. It took the DR for me to buy Morrigan and Alistair wilingly sleeping with each other.  

Yeah Supernatural . HP can get so...so vicious. I have to admit debating about sexism in the book and the pedestal motherhood was placed on was interesting. 

LOL yeah I can only imagine the "look...we need to talk." some of my Hawkes had after Anders blew up the Chantry. A couple of my rivalry aggressive Hawkes probably would've just beat the s*** out of him as soon as they were safe.

But of course with the forced friendship most of my Hawke's are pretty much on their knees and staring at that creature that pretends it's Anders. 

Yeah that doesn't help his case. At all. Why should anyone trust mages if the second their backs are against the wall rather than surrender and hope for mercy (like those mages that beg you for their lives) they turn to bloodmagic and demons? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 avril 2011 - 04:27 .

[CatOfEvilGenius]

leggywillow wrote...

(prune prune prune the quote tree)

When I did on my horrible pro-templar run, it was intense.  Everyone's health was low, and Hawke charged at Anders to try and finish him off, sword raised.  Then he pulled out a Cone of Cold and froze her in place when she was right there within melee range.  He raised his staff for what looked like a killing blow, and I seriously thought Hawke was about to die and I'd have to reload.  Then, Anders just falls backwards with three arrows sticking out of his chest.  I could almost see the grim sadness on Varric's face.

Honestly, if I didn't hate thinking about Anders' death so much, I'd probably write a one-shot about it.  It was the most poetic battle I'd ever had in a game.  XD

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Anyone here have an Anders friendmance that ended in "I love you in spite of what you do", rather than "I love you no matter what you do"? 
(prune)
Does the in-game dialogue let you play that kind of Hawke at the end, during the time-out-box scene?

This is how my canon Hawke is.  She was 100% on Anders' side until the Chantry explosion.  She believed in mage freedom, despite not being a mage herself, and fought bitterly for people like Bethany and Anders to be free.  But she didn't particularly agree with the Chantry explosion.

That Anders/Hawke battle description was just... wow.  It's almost as if the game engine KNEW what it needed to do to serve plot!

What did you think of the end game Anders/Hawke sit on box dialogue?  I've already seen one reply saying it didn't fit the player's headcanon.  I'm not sure I want to do a non-stabby friendmance playthrough if the ending dialogue is going to disappoint me.  Can always change it in my head, but that's not quite as fun for me.

Modifié par CatOfEvilGenius, 13 avril 2011 - 04:27 .

[MorningBird]

My Hawke was... well, I wouldn't call him pathetic (though that is no doubt true in some ways), but he was extremely blinded by love, up to and well past the end of the game. I imagine that during the years leading up to act 3 he and Anders were in perfect accord. Partly because Hawke was not happy about losing his sister to the circle, but also because in the Chantry's perfect little world, a mundane like him would never have been allowed to fall in love with a mage like Anders (and vice versa.) Heck, they probably wouldn't have even been allowed to meet.

After the Chantry explosion, he sent Anders away in a fit of rage, but sided with the mages for Bethany (and his own personal beliefs.) Sometime between Lowtown and the Gallows, Hawke got a chance to cool his head and think things through, and he came to the conclusion that Anders was right (for a variety of reasons, not all of them logical.)

Basically, my Hawke was on Anders' side 100% by the end of the game. Not going to go into too many details as to why, but emotions definitely had more of a hand in it than... logical thought process. >.>

[Kawamura]

The only plot my game engine has served has been to make little OH GOD WHY SPIDERS ARRRGH stories.

[sassperella]

Finally caught up with the thread o_O you guys wrote over 30 pages while I was asleep...... not far from page 1000 now.

[nyxocity]

Ryzaki wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

There's certainly sadness in me/my Hawke's to understand that Anders will always be ultimately ruled by his mission, but I do think that Anders still loves Hawke in there. I've never done a rivalmance, so I can't speak to that, and that's purely because I can't stomach it. But I see what you're saying. I see your POV. The friendmance ending isn't the most loving and I have to fill in the gaps sometimes. You'd think he'd be all, you're on my side! *snogs your face off* Ah well, at least I get the he wants to have my babies line when I play a female.

I DO wish they'd given the "siding with the mages" on the Anders rivalmance path an appropriate ending. I think switching to the friendship path ending must be like WTH? Even if they MEANT to cut the rivalmance "siding with the Templars" ending, they should have done a better job on the "siding with the mages" ending on that path. That really sucks.

And yes, I like coming to understandings.  It puts my world right.

LOL yeah I kind of feel that way about the friendshipmance. The rivalrymance isn't healthy either but he seems to have something that I don't see in the friendshipmance. And it's not the slap slap kiss because I like the Fenris romance equally on friendship/rivalry. (I'm starting to actually lean towards friendship a little because Fenris stops snarling at Hawke's gifts.  ) 

Indeed. Which is why I'm inclined to think it's a bug. Why do a rivalry path for the templars but not the mages? The dialogue could've been similar just replace templars with mages and going against my people with something like them letting them near him when he may have doomed them all. Vengeance can still be enraged because Anders wrested control from him. 

It does. 

Friendmance should have had a, "You're on my side!" *snogs Hawke's face off* beofre the "we must win or else nothing means anything", but I fanwank it. Because in my head, ultimately, Anders isn't 100% Anders, especially at this point in the battle, so I kind of forgive him. I haven't had Fenris snarl at me for gifts yet, but I'm looking forward to it on this play through. For science.

Just so. Why do a whole siding with Templars ending on rivalmance, but not a siding with the mages ending?

[Amondra]

I was wandering around act three and making a trip to the Viscount's place I ran into his Bran. He told Hawke the last Viscount was overthrown because he wanted the templar's out. I looked into Meredeth's codex and apparently she had to to with his untimely leave of power....So he basically said you kiss the butt of the Templar's or no power for you. Kinda lets you know who was really running that city the whole time.

Also on the matter of the ending and friendmancing Anders. I think my Hawke had seen so many bad things and lost so much. She wasn't going to loose Anders, or finish what he started without him by her side. If they both were going to go mad or die fighting, they were going to do it together.

[CatOfEvilGenius]

@MorningBird - Ah, so your Hawke was... human!

@Kawamura - I would make you a mod that replaces the spiders with something non-traumatizing, if I were a DA modder, but I haven't bothered to learn. If I ever do though, I promise spiders->pancakes will be my first mod.

edit:
@thenyxie - Fenris snarling when you offer to teach him to read is so... Fenris.  And "fanwank" is now in my vocabulary.

Modifié par CatOfEvilGenius, 13 avril 2011 - 04:43 .

[phantomdragoness]

Ryzaki wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Ah. I do want to see the rivalrymance for a Hawke that sides with the mages. I wonder if you have to kill him on that condition. As long as it doesn't default to the friendship dialogue again I'll be happy. That was disturbing. The rivalry romance dialogue for killing him is very bittersweet.

Is that bugged too?  When I killed him (FOR SCIENCE!  It's not "canon" in any my playthroughs; I love him too much) as a friend and a rival, I got the same dialogue for both.  Something like "For what it's worth, I'm glad it's you.  It was nice to be happy for a little while."

Yes. It too is bugged. At least I didn't get any different dialogue. But the bleh stab before moving on. 

He's supposed to say something like this. 

Oh my God...OH MY GOD. Why did you have to make me cry? That video was the sadest thing ever! My poor Anders!!

[LoneWolf4191]

I agree with everything but the last panel...
http://drathe.devian...stian-203803450

[Kawamura]

I imagine if Anders tried kissing my Hawke, on friendmance, he would have gotten his nose broken.

Srsly. No touching after **** hits the fan.

Modifié par Kawamura, 13 avril 2011 - 04:46 .

[LoneWolf4191]

Oh and this lol!
http://nirrum.devian...-Band-204570775

[Ryzaki]

thenyxie wrote...
Friendmance should have had a, "You're on my side!" *snogs Hawke's face off* beofre the "we must win or else nothing means anything", but I fanwank it. Because in my head, ultimately, Anders isn't 100% Anders, especially at this point in the battle, so I kind of forgive him. I haven't had Fenris snarl at me for gifts yet, but I'm looking forward to it on this play through. For science.

Just so. Why do a whole siding with Templars ending on rivalmance, but not a siding with the mages ending?

Gifts for Fenris on rivalry just made me wanna punch/strangle him through my monitor. That dude took everything to an offensive extreme. Prickly bastard. At least Anders appreciates your gifts on rivalry (even if they're unexpected). 

I dunno about the kiss. He seemed so cold and empty to me in that scene. That's why it scared me in my first rivalry playthrough. I kept thinking Justice had broken something in him. (Did not help that I romanced Fenris first and compared the two scenes in my head). Then I went on the forums and realized that wasn't right.  I was relieved and irritated at the same time. 

A kiss should've been Hawke initated though. Fenris smacking your face off makes sense seeing as Fenris hadn't gotten any from Hawke in the last 3 years.  Well except those two nights. So him sucking Hawke's face off makes sense. 

I don't understand that either. Frankly I'm starting to think that's bugged too. Goddamn bugs. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 avril 2011 - 04:54 .

[CatOfEvilGenius]

LoneWolf4191 wrote...

Oh and this lol!
http://nirrum.devian...-Band-204570775

And we just know he hasn't washed them in three years.

Modifié par CatOfEvilGenius, 13 avril 2011 - 04:52 .

[LoneWolf4191]

Kawamura wrote...

I imagine if Anders tried kissing my Hawke, on friendmance, he would have gotten his nose broken.

Srsly. No touching after **** hits the fan.

lol

[DeaHamlet]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...

Oh noes, someone posted a pic of the Arishok.
I swear, if he was an option for sex, nobody else would have gotten any of my Hawkettes.
I'm bad.

Not even Varric?  Oh Varric.... *swoons*

In one of my DAO playthroughs, my Dalish!Warden really, REALLY wanted to dispel Sten's doubts as to her womanhood.  She didn't want him to have a shred of clothing... I mean doubt.  Alistair wouldn't stay with her, and Zev was a murderous man-ho.  Sten had long, thought provoking discussions with her.  He had razor sharp dry wit.  He had cornrows.  He liked cookies AND KITTENS!

----------------------------------------------

Amondra - Your fanfic link works for me.  Hope it's working for you now too.

Ahmmm... No, not even Varric!  Have you even seen the Arishok?  Oh my.  
And the poor guy hasn't gotten any in 4 years!  Hawkette would be all over that!  They all act all tough and aggressive around him just to show him that they kick arse too.  I have yet to have a Hawkette that needs Fenris to mediate the duel... they always get the duel.  
If it weren't for the fact that:
1. No matter what, they don't get the damn book as Isa runs off after 3 days (the writers hate the Arishok, they must!)
2. It's all much more boring with only Varric as a funny rogue option (Seb makes me want to stab him, not healthy)
I would totally give Isabela over to him every single time.

I didn't have as much of a thing for Sten as I do for the Arishok.  Maybe it's the open robes thing?  Or the horns?  

[LoneWolf4191]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

LoneWolf4191 wrote...

Oh and this lol!
http://nirrum.devian...-Band-204570775

And we just know he hasn't washed them in three years.

lol

[phantomdragoness]

Ryzaki wrote...

thenyxie wrote...
Friendmance should have had a, "You're on my side!" *snogs Hawke's face off* beofre the "we must win or else nothing means anything", but I fanwank it. Because in my head, ultimately, Anders isn't 100% Anders, especially at this point in the battle, so I kind of forgive him. I haven't had Fenris snarl at me for gifts yet, but I'm looking forward to it on this play through. For science.

Just so. Why do a whole siding with Templars ending on rivalmance, but not a siding with the mages ending?

Gifts for Fenris on rivalry just made me wanna punch/strangle him through my monitor. That dude took everything to an offensive extreme. Prickly bastard. At least Anders appreciates your gifts on rivalry (even if they're unexpected). 

I dunno about the kiss. He seemed so cold and empty to me in that scene. That's why it scared me in my first rivalry playthrough. I kept thinking Justice had broken something in him. (Did not help that I romanced Fenris first and compared the two scenes in my head). Then I went on the forums and realized that wasn't right.  I was relieved and irritated at the same time. 

I don't understand that either. Frankly I'm starting to think that's bugged too. Goddamn bugs. 

*sighs* I hope a patch comes out soon.

[DeaHamlet]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

I already gave Anders a box of kittens.
IN MY FIC. > Seriously I did.
And he named them Ser Pouts-a-Lot, Ser Winky, Ser Cullen, and Ser Sucks-a-Lot.
Which can be taken into any context you wish. -sets your imagination free-

I demand a link to this kittenfull fic!  Demand it!

* huggles Ser Cullen *


On the subject of cats we love/hate, one of mine poos next to the litterbox.  Not in.  Next to.  The Man don't tell him where to poo!  He's a rebel without a box!  He would totally support Anders and his cause.

EEp.  All these stories make me think I'm the luckiest cat owner ever.
Kai went to the box from day one.  He was all like "okay, so that's the food dish, that's the water, that's the pooing/peeing area. I'm set. Don't disturb me, I'm taking a cat nap"

[nyxocity]

MorningBird wrote...

My Hawke was... well, I wouldn't call him pathetic (though that is no doubt true in some ways), but he was extremely blinded by love, up to and well past the end of the game. I imagine that during the years leading up to act 3 he and Anders were in perfect accord. Partly because Hawke was not happy about losing his sister to the circle, but also because in the Chantry's perfect little world, a mundane like him would never have been allowed to fall in love with a mage like Anders (and vice versa.) Heck, they probably wouldn't have even been allowed to meet.

After the Chantry explosion, he sent Anders away in a fit of rage, but sided with the mages for Bethany (and his own personal beliefs.) Sometime between Lowtown and the Gallows, Hawke got a chance to cool his head and think things through, and he came to the conclusion that Anders was right (for a variety of reasons, not all of them logical.)

Basically, my Hawke was on Anders' side 100% by the end of the game. Not going to go into too many details as to why, but emotions definitely had more of a hand in it than... logical thought process. >.>

My Hawke's always love Anders beyond logic and back again. It's always emotion for me. And Anders kind of inspires that kind of "I love you to stupidity and beyond" thing *G*

[leggywillow]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...
What did you think of the end game Anders/Hawke sit on box dialogue?  I've already seen one reply saying it didn't fit the player's headcanon.  I'm not sure I want to do a non-stabby friendmance playthrough if the ending dialogue is going to disappoint me.  Can always change it in my head, but that's not quite as fun for me.

I couldn't find any lines that quite fit my head-canon either, IIRC.  Not with Kitty, anyway.  Vivian was more or less okay with what happened besides being left out of the loop, so the line "I might have understood if you'd only told me!" was fitting enough for her.

I can't quite remember what the other options are, but I don't think any of them quite fit the idea of "I still love you, you crazy idiot, but you really are an idiot".  Once my husband is done with the TV, I may go check because now I'm curious as to what the other dialogue options are.

[CatOfEvilGenius]

DeaHamlet wrote...

(snip)

Ahmmm... No, not even Varric!  Have you even seen the Arishok?  Oh my.  
And the poor guy hasn't gotten any in 4 years!  Hawkette would be all over that!  They all act all tough and aggressive around him just to show him that they kick arse too.  I have yet to have a Hawkette that needs Fenris to mediate the duel... they always get the duel.  
If it weren't for the fact that:
1. No matter what, they don't get the damn book as Isa runs off after 3 days (the writers hate the Arishok, they must!)
2. It's all much more boring with only Varric as a funny rogue option (Seb makes me want to stab him, not healthy)
I would totally give Isabela over to him every single time.

I didn't have as much of a thing for Sten as I do for the Arishok.  Maybe it's the open robes thing?  Or the horns?  (bold added by Cat)

Of course it's his horniness.  And the loincloth.  And the earrings.  And the voice and delivery and sweeping hand gestures.  I mean, what I meant to say was I Anders, please don't kick me out of the thread...

Modifié par CatOfEvilGenius, 13 avril 2011 - 04:59 .

[nyxocity]

Kawamura wrote...

The only plot my game engine has served has been to make little OH GOD WHY SPIDERS ARRRGH stories.

THE SPIDERS! They get me EVERY TIME! Even when I know they're coming! It's the whole, hisssshhh sound coupled with the dropping down out of the ceiling. They should PREEN for their power to scare, seriously.