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[Sable Rhapsody]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Everyone was talking about their Hawke/Anders romance.
I must say... am I the only one that plays mages that are super pro-mage (other than killing friendly templars who try to help) and are with Anders because they admire him and are also all for the mission?

I dunno, my canon Hawke is totally pro-mage and while she's not feeling all that great about the "OMG innocents", she really doesn't give a hoot about Elthina, the chantry or the rich in Hightown. I'm sure her solution would have involved Meredith's head on a platter and some flogging for Elthina, but what's done is done, the ends have been achieved and it's time to put actions behind words. I don't think Anders would have to hide anything from her, she's proven that she's for the mission, she wants something better for the mages and she will always stand by him.

I wish there was an option for a kiss, but other than that I liked my romance ending. My Hawke was totally with the head on the battle and the next steps to come. I am quite certain that Anders et company will be dragged to the war-front after they leave Kirkwall. She's not a woman to sit idle and want some comfort and peace and love. She wants her revolutionary mage lover at her side.

She's probably more driven and pro-mage than Anders himself, she'd give Justice a run for his money.

My Hawke is 100% in the boat with your Hawke and Anders.

She didn't start out that way.  She started out more like Awakening Anders, where she didn't fight because she didn't see the point.  She ran and hid instead; she was cautious, selfish.  ANDERS was the one who changed her mind.  He took my character and derailed her into a dangerous, ruthless revolutionary.

I think a Hawke who is also super pro-mage is even more dangerous than Anders, because Hawke isn't possessed.  Hawke can be calculating, patient, less impulsive.  And that's just how my Hawke does things.  She didn't have a problem with Anders' methods for reasons of morality.  She had a problem because she thought he was being sloppy 

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Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 13 avril 2011 - 05:54 .

[DeaHamlet]

leggywillow wrote...
I'm glad Varric killed him in my game, not Fenris.  It just doesn't seem right.  At least Hawke and Varric cared about Anders.  Thinking about Fenris doing a happy dance in his head about getting to kill Anders makes me sadface.  ;_;

When Anders froze Hawke in place to kill her, I almost sobbed with nostalgia.  My personal battle cry in Awakening was always "GODDAMNIT, ANDERS" (even back then, lol) because he would freeze my Warden into place accidentally at least once during every. single. fight.  It was annoying yet hilarious, and I got all wibbly when I saw him doing it to Hawke... even though it was intentional and not funny that time.  ;___;

Gah, all this talk of killing Anders is so depressing.  It's not my canon at all; I only did it for science!  He's currently dead in my pro-templar Charlotte Hawke's playthrough, but that's only because I'm waiting to see if the rivalry dialogue gets patched before I replay Act 3 with her.  (I plan to have her side with the mages and spare Anders, though.  The templar thing was mostly because I'm an achievement ****.)

Neah, they'd been getting at their throat all game, Anders was such a biatch to Fenris (I took them both to Fenris' quests and Anders' quests... oh my)... Fenris totally deserved to get to KO Anders and defend his lady (aka Hawke).  I wouldn't make Varric do that, they were friends!  

And I've always wanted to see those two fight because they bicker so much!  Fine, boys, GO AT IT.  
As I said, I found it... majestic, beautiful, poetic.  And I was sobbing like a fool.

[CatOfEvilGenius]

Here's sleepy Anders and Ser-Pounce, by spidercandy, because I am sleepy. If someone finds the black/white/red dying Anders revived by Ser-Pounce and the Warden-Commander, they will have my undying love, or brownies, their choice.

[Amondra]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Everyone was talking about their Hawke/Anders romance.
I must say... am I the only one that plays mages that are super pro-mage (other than killing friendly templars who try to help) and are with Anders because they admire him and are also all for the mission?

I dunno, my canon Hawke is totally pro-mage and while she's not feeling all that great about the "OMG innocents", she really doesn't give a hoot about Elthina, the chantry or the rich in Hightown. I'm sure her solution would have involved Meredith's head on a platter and some flogging for Elthina, but what's done is done, the ends have been achieved and it's time to put actions behind words. I don't think Anders would have to hide anything from her, she's proven that she's for the mission, she wants something better for the mages and she will always stand by him.

I wish there was an option for a kiss, but other than that I liked my romance ending. My Hawke was totally with the head on the battle and the next steps to come. I am quite certain that Anders et company will be dragged to the war-front after they leave Kirkwall. She's not a woman to sit idle and want some comfort and peace and love. She wants her revolutionary mage lover at her side.

She's probably more driven and pro-mage than Anders himself, she'd give Justice a run for his money.

No my Hawke was pro mage and she was a templar/reaver, though I did that for in my head RP reasons lol.  But after listening to some of the dialog from the Grand Cleric and other NPC's I could see why Anders got to the point he was at.  Not to mention I also think the veil being weak there might have some weight to the matter. The Knight- Commander had me seeing red.  Like I said my Hawke took Flemeths words to heart and she saw what Anders did, what the witch meant and she jumped with him, into the blackness.  She just hopes one of them turns into a dragon >_>

What I didn't like about the game is they seemed to go bat **** crazy with blood mages and abominations so the templars seemed to have  reason, but honestly I saw it as simple as that.  Bioware wanted it too seem like there was more of a gray area.

[thebrute7]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Everyone was talking about their Hawke/Anders romance.
I must say... am I the only one that plays mages that are super pro-mage (other than killing friendly templars who try to help) and are with Anders because they admire him and are also all for the mission?

I dunno, my canon Hawke is totally pro-mage and while she's not feeling all that great about the "OMG innocents", she really doesn't give a hoot about Elthina, the chantry or the rich in Hightown. I'm sure her solution would have involved Meredith's head on a platter and some flogging for Elthina, but what's done is done, the ends have been achieved and it's time to put actions behind words. I don't think Anders would have to hide anything from her, she's proven that she's for the mission, she wants something better for the mages and she will always stand by him.

I wish there was an option for a kiss, but other than that I liked my romance ending. My Hawke was totally with the head on the battle and the next steps to come. I am quite certain that Anders et company will be dragged to the war-front after they leave Kirkwall. She's not a woman to sit idle and want some comfort and peace and love. She wants her revolutionary mage lover at her side.

She's probably more driven and pro-mage than Anders himself, she'd give Justice a run for his money.

My canon Hawke (F!Mage) is like this.  She's not more promage than Anders, but she is definitely promage and is very supportive of Anders.   She believes there needs to be some system for mages to elarn, but she believes what Anders is doing is better than anyone else's plan.  

(Her story is the one I am writing in Two is Company )   I am PROMAGE ALL THE WAY, myself   (most of the time)

EDIT:  Because I am writing a scene that turns out like this right now

Modifié par thebrute7, 13 avril 2011 - 05:56 .

[payroo]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Everyone was talking about their Hawke/Anders romance.
I must say... am I the only one that plays mages that are super pro-mage (other than killing friendly templars who try to help) and are with Anders because they admire him and are also all for the mission?

I dunno, my canon Hawke is totally pro-mage and while she's not feeling all that great about the "OMG innocents", she really doesn't give a hoot about Elthina, the chantry or the rich in Hightown. I'm sure her solution would have involved Meredith's head on a platter and some flogging for Elthina, but what's done is done, the ends have been achieved and it's time to put actions behind words. I don't think Anders would have to hide anything from her, she's proven that she's for the mission, she wants something better for the mages and she will always stand by him.

I wish there was an option for a kiss, but other than that I liked my romance ending. My Hawke was totally with the head on the battle and the next steps to come. I am quite certain that Anders et company will be dragged to the war-front after they leave Kirkwall. She's not a woman to sit idle and want some comfort and peace and love. She wants her revolutionary mage lover at her side.

She's probably more driven and pro-mage than Anders himself, she'd give Justice a run for his money.

Haha, my (to date only)friend!mancing Hawke was like this. In my head he used to be a rather self-serving and disaffected apostate who only cared about the welfare of his own family until he met Anders and SAW THE LIGHT of mage rebellion. He gets totally into the cause and Anders (and since he's mostly a "red" personality, I don't think he minded the Chantry as much as he should have:unsure:)
Anyway, in my head he happily ate all of the nonsense Anders spoonfed him and served more as an enabler of Vengeance than anything else... because even on friendmance I want my gallons of tragedy.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

All my Hawkes felt very alone in their sane little minds. I felt like I was the psych doctor in a padded cell and the patients were my keepers.

[leggywillow]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Everyone was talking about their Hawke/Anders romance.
I must say... am I the only one that plays mages that are super pro-mage (other than killing friendly templars who try to help) and are with Anders because they admire him and are also all for the mission?

I dunno, my canon Hawke is totally pro-mage and while she's not feeling all that great about the "OMG innocents", she really doesn't give a hoot about Elthina, the chantry or the rich in Hightown. I'm sure her solution would have involved Meredith's head on a platter and some flogging for Elthina, but what's done is done, the ends have been achieved and it's time to put actions behind words. I don't think Anders would have to hide anything from her, she's proven that she's for the mission, she wants something better for the mages and she will always stand by him.

That's how my Vivian Hawke is.  Anders inspired her to take up the cause, since she spent her entire life just running and hiding before that.  That was probably a big part of why she fell in love with him.

My "canon" Kitty Hawke, though, not so much.  She definitely believed in freedom for mages, but her motivations were always more selfish and closer to home.  She just wanted to keep her family safe, and by the end of the game Bethany and Anders are all she has left.  Helping mages ultimately furthers her goal of keeping them safe, so she falls on the pro-mage side.

If for whatever reason she had to choose between helping mages and protecting her loved ones, though, well... Actually a perfect example of that is when getting the "On The Loose" quest.  Kitty told Meredith to shove it because she wasn't helping her recapture mages, until Meredith threatened Bethany.  Then Kitty changed her tune to "Okay, where are those mages again? (Also I will kill you later for threatening me.)"

[CatOfEvilGenius]

Yay, found it! It's by Galagraphia.

[Kawamura]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Everyone was talking about their Hawke/Anders romance.
I must say... am I the only one that plays mages that are super pro-mage (other than killing friendly templars who try to help) and are with Anders because they admire him and are also all for the mission?

I dunno, my canon Hawke is totally pro-mage and while she's not feeling all that great about the "OMG innocents", she really doesn't give a hoot about Elthina, the chantry or the rich in Hightown. I'm sure her solution would have involved Meredith's head on a platter and some flogging for Elthina, but what's done is done, the ends have been achieved and it's time to put actions behind words. I don't think Anders would have to hide anything from her, she's proven that she's for the mission, she wants something better for the mages and she will always stand by him.

I wish there was an option for a kiss, but other than that I liked my romance ending. My Hawke was totally with the head on the battle and the next steps to come. I am quite certain that Anders et company will be dragged to the war-front after they leave Kirkwall. She's not a woman to sit idle and want some comfort and peace and love. She wants her revolutionary mage lover at her side.

She's probably more driven and pro-mage than Anders himself, she'd give Justice a run for his money.

Yeeeah, my Hawke was a blood mage that was mostly trying not to be dead. And trying to keep his family from being dead. (Ha! Good job on that.) And trying to entertain people enough that he was too entertaining to lock up. and trying to keep Anders from killing himself. And trying to keep the mages and the Templars from killing everyone, including him.

Revolutions are too big and morally uncomfortable for him. He's not romantic, either, so dying fighting the good fight doesn't appeal to him.

Dying in a bed, with a full belly and warm clothes, is faaaaaaaar more his idea of a good way to go. Thanks, Anders, for making that impossible.

No matter what he feels about mages and freedom and right and wrong, Anders' cause is killing Anders. Hawke didn't really like that. He also knew that there would be a breaking point and Anders would do something stupid. The Chantry blowing up was almost a relief because of it.

Modifié par Kawamura, 13 avril 2011 - 06:00 .

[DeaHamlet]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

My Hawke is 100% in the boat with your Hawke and Anders.

She didn't start out that way.  She started out more like Awakening Anders, where she didn't fight because she didn't see the point.  She ran and hid instead; she was cautious, selfish.  ANDERS was the one who changed her mind.  He took my character and derailed her into a dangerous, ruthless revolutionary.

I think a Hawke who is also super pro-mage is even more dangerous than Anders, because Hawke isn't possessed.  Hawke can be calculating, patient, less impulsive.  And that's just how my Hawke does things.  She didn't have a problem with Anders' methods for reasons of morality.  She had a problem because she thought he was being sloppy 

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*snip the adorableness*

Glad to hear I'm not alone!
My canons start out ultra pro-mage.  They want freedom and they don't want mages to have to either be in the circle or hiding like she and her sister did.  The one that dates Anders remains pro-mage but gets angrier and angrier the more she witnesses... with the templars' abuse, Elthina's attitude and even the whole Petrice thing (all my Hawke's love the Arishok hehe).  The one that dates Fenris becomes a tad more cautious with time, she's still pro-mage and she hates the abuse, but she's less and less willing to overlook things.  So that one for example would send Grace back to the circle because she wanted a friendly templar killed and she was consorting with a blood mage.  By the end, even the Fenris canon mage is still pro-mage but a lot more "mages must be responsible and we're going to stick around and be involved to make sure that the new world order is not the Tevinter Imperium".  Still both are mission oriented, one is just hard-core mage sympathizer.  

[Qeilla]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Everyone was talking about their Hawke/Anders romance.
I must say... am I the only one that plays mages that are super pro-mage (other than killing friendly templars who try to help) and are with Anders because they admire him and are also all for the mission?

I dunno, my canon Hawke is totally pro-mage and while she's not feeling all that great about the "OMG innocents", she really doesn't give a hoot about Elthina, the chantry or the rich in Hightown. I'm sure her solution would have involved Meredith's head on a platter and some flogging for Elthina, but what's done is done, the ends have been achieved and it's time to put actions behind words. I don't think Anders would have to hide anything from her, she's proven that she's for the mission, she wants something better for the mages and she will always stand by him.

I wish there was an option for a kiss, but other than that I liked my romance ending. My Hawke was totally with the head on the battle and the next steps to come. I am quite certain that Anders et company will be dragged to the war-front after they leave Kirkwall. She's not a woman to sit idle and want some comfort and peace and love. She wants her revolutionary mage lover at her side.

My canon Hawke, who is a rogue, was totally pro-mage but it sort of evolved for her. She supported the mages and Anders' cause in Act 1 due to Beth and couldn't stand idly by if mages were being made tranquil, like in Anders' first quest. Was a bit hesitant in Act 2 after seeing Anders nearly lose it on that circle girl but when her Mum died? Well she was only human. After losing her entire family and she basically said "Screw it!" and went full into the revolution by the time Act 3 rolled around since Anders was the only 'family' she had left. Needless to say Hawke is off being a fugitive with her apostate boyfriend.

[ipgd]

Anders just had my Hawke whipped. He was very "pro-breaking-his-sister-out-of-the-Circle, anti-Meredith-because-oh-no-she-din't-just-namedrop-his-dead-mother", but besides that, he was just going along with whatever Anders wanted to do. The chantry blows up and he's just OH ANDERS YOU'RE SO SILLY TEE HEE ARE THERE ANY BRIDGES YOU WANT ME TO JUMP OFF

[DeaHamlet]

Amondra wrote...

What I didn't like about the game is they seemed to go bat **** crazy with blood mages and abominations so the templars seemed to have  reason, but honestly I saw it as simple as that.  Bioware wanted it too seem like there was more of a gray area.

I seriously think they went a bit overboard cause otherwise everyone would be pro-mage maybe?
I mean, apostates have existed from the beginning and yet the world hath not come to an end.
What was that crap about even 1 in 10 mages going bad could bring down the world?  I don't see it.
*shrug* I blames it (in game) on the veil business and the idea that if you keep pushing, something is going to give.

Death/lobotomy or blood magic?  I dunnoz, blood magic sounds good to me.

[Hellosanta]

I know it's totally unrelated to this thread, but I can't stop wanting to post this here XD .. or somewhere in this forum.
A real CGI concept arts of Marian Hawke and Meredith
Now, if I can only have CGI concept art of Anders ....

[sassperella]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Everyone was talking about their Hawke/Anders romance.
I must say... am I the only one that plays mages that are super pro-mage (other than killing friendly templars who try to help) and are with Anders because they admire him and are also all for the mission?

I dunno, my canon Hawke is totally pro-mage and while she's not feeling all that great about the "OMG innocents", she really doesn't give a hoot about Elthina, the chantry or the rich in Hightown. I'm sure her solution would have involved Meredith's head on a platter and some flogging for Elthina, but what's done is done, the ends have been achieved and it's time to put actions behind words. I don't think Anders would have to hide anything from her, she's proven that she's for the mission, she wants something better for the mages and she will always stand by him.

I wish there was an option for a kiss, but other than that I liked my romance ending. My Hawke was totally with the head on the battle and the next steps to come. I am quite certain that Anders et company will be dragged to the war-front after they leave Kirkwall. She's not a woman to sit idle and want some comfort and peace and love. She wants her revolutionary mage lover at her side.

She's probably more driven and pro-mage than Anders himself, she'd give Justice a run for his money.

nope you are not alone, my Hawke is pro mage. I only did one pro templar playthrough for achievements and felt dirty. I hated it.  

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

I started out helping mages and as time went on I began to feel less and less sympathetic.XD

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Hellosanta wrote...

I know it's totally unrelated to this thread, but I can't stop wanting to post this here XD .. or somewhere in this forum.
A real CGI concept arts of Marian Hawke and Meredith
Now, if I can only have CGI concept art of Anders ....

Ooo, those are really pretty.

And I do want one of Anders <3  Those soulful, pretty eyes in glorious CGI...*drifts off*

[DeaHamlet]

I won't mention my blood magic mage then who wasn't so much for the mission, but just had anger issues. And had angry sex with Fenris and then went to have all night long chats with Anders about the mage underground and inventing new torture methods for templars.

[Hellosanta]

My canon Hawke is also pro-mage and she's a blood mage herself. She does not really agree with Anders's method, but she does agree with his cause :^>

[Deathispink]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Everyone was talking about their Hawke/Anders romance.
I must say... am I the only one that plays mages that are super pro-mage (other than killing friendly templars who try to help) and are with Anders because they admire him and are also all for the mission?

I dunno, my canon Hawke is totally pro-mage and while she's not feeling all that great about the "OMG innocents", she really doesn't give a hoot about Elthina, the chantry or the rich in Hightown. I'm sure her solution would have involved Meredith's head on a platter and some flogging for Elthina, but what's done is done, the ends have been achieved and it's time to put actions behind words. I don't think Anders would have to hide anything from her, she's proven that she's for the mission, she wants something better for the mages and she will always stand by him.

I wish there was an option for a kiss, but other than that I liked my romance ending. My Hawke was totally with the head on the battle and the next steps to come. I am quite certain that Anders et company will be dragged to the war-front after they leave Kirkwall. She's not a woman to sit idle and want some comfort and peace and love. She wants her revolutionary mage lover at her side.

She's probably more driven and pro-mage than Anders himself, she'd give Justice a run for his money.

My "canon"  Hawke was, most likely, one of the most insane non-bloodmages in Kirkwall. Her entire family was dead (I "forgot" to bring Anders along in the Deep Roads), and she became just as unhealthily obsessed with Anders as he was with her. If there had been a *roast marshmellows over Elthina's burning corpse" option at the end, she would have taken it.  I like to think what she was thinking about  the Chantry going boom was "Ooo. Fire. Pretty."

Yeah the world's in great hands with that one.

[Amondra]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Amondra wrote...

What I didn't like about the game is they seemed to go bat **** crazy with blood mages and abominations so the templars seemed to have  reason, but honestly I saw it as simple as that.  Bioware wanted it too seem like there was more of a gray area.

I seriously think they went a bit overboard cause otherwise everyone would be pro-mage maybe?
I mean, apostates have existed from the beginning and yet the world hath not come to an end.
What was that crap about even 1 in 10 mages going bad could bring down the world?  I don't see it.
*shrug* I blames it (in game) on the veil business and the idea that if you keep pushing, something is going to give.

Death/lobotomy or blood magic?  I dunnoz, blood magic sounds good to me.

Sorry that's what I mean, they did it so everyone wouldn't just jump on the mage band wagon...even if it is best, outside of it having Anders.

And yeah the Veil thing I still think had a lot going on.  Also I would love to slap who ever thought of putting the circle there.

I just agree with you, they went blood mage nuts.  Like all the mages in Kirkwall were one really desprate or had a bad case of the stupid...

[CatOfEvilGenius]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

I started out helping mages and as time went on I began to feel less and less sympathetic.XD

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

I'm quite sympathetic to both sides, but usually side with mages because Anders and Merril are more fun for me to romance than watery tart and mr. broody "I hate mages but I'm such total demonbait" elf.

By "templar side", I mean Thrask/Samson/Cullen, not Meredith, because she has PCP for breakfast.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

I liked romancing Fenris. It felt forbidden.

[DeaHamlet]

Amondra wrote...

Sorry that's what I mean, they did it so everyone wouldn't just jump on the mage band wagon...even if it is best, outside of it having Anders.

And yeah the Veil thing I still think had a lot going on.  Also I would love to slap who ever thought of putting the circle there.

I just agree with you, they went blood mage nuts.  Like all the mages in Kirkwall were one really desprate or had a bad case of the stupid...

I was totally convinced by the Veil thing once I hit Sundermount.  WTF demons with nobody summoning them?  And some of the places I went to reach the forbidden books... demons GALORE!
I really don't know why they bothered making deals with mages or normal humans.  Geesh.