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[CatOfEvilGenius]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Sorry that's what I mean, they did it so everyone wouldn't just jump on the mage band wagon...even if it is best, outside of it having Anders.

And yeah the Veil thing I still think had a lot going on.  Also I would love to slap who ever thought of putting the circle there.

I just agree with you, they went blood mage nuts.  Like all the mages in Kirkwall were one really desprate or had a bad case of the stupid...

I was totally convinced by the Veil thing once I hit Sundermount.  WTF demons with nobody summoning them?  And some of the places I went to reach the forbidden books... demons GALORE!
I really don't know why they bothered making deals with mages or normal humans.  Geesh.

Anyone else want DLC with the Band of Three?  I want to either meet them, or if they're dead, find out more about them and maybe fix the veil thinning a bit.  Or, since this is DA2, try to fix the veil thinning, fail spectacularly, then run away.

[DeaHamlet]

I disliked Samson very much.
Thrask was cool, but clueless.
And Cullen has yet to impress me. Sure, he's improved, but some of the crap he says in act 1 makes me seethe and I cannot for the life of me forget what he was like in DA:O. I was a mage. I was not impressed by Cullen AT ALL. Even the stuff from act 3 is just not enough to redeem him in my eyes.

I feel sorry for templars... hooked on lyrium which is controlled by the chantry. Messed up, that.
But the most I mustered was an interest in preventing a war. I couldn't muster pro-templar feelings whatsoever.

[Amondra]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Sorry that's what I mean, they did it so everyone wouldn't just jump on the mage band wagon...even if it is best, outside of it having Anders.

And yeah the Veil thing I still think had a lot going on.  Also I would love to slap who ever thought of putting the circle there.

I just agree with you, they went blood mage nuts.  Like all the mages in Kirkwall were one really desprate or had a bad case of the stupid...

I was totally convinced by the Veil thing once I hit Sundermount.  WTF demons with nobody summoning them?  And some of the places I went to reach the forbidden books... demons GALORE!
I really don't know why they bothered making deals with mages or normal humans.  Geesh.

LOL I know, though it was late one night and when I was out having a good ol' time on Sundermount and the demons popped out I was "DAMN IT MERRILL!"  Thats also when I saved and went to sleep >_>

Yeah Kirkwall seems to throw the whole "Demons need mages" blah blah out the window and rolling down a mountian.  As me just smoke the whole place, it is a breeding ground for bad mojo, I mean look what happened over ten years!

Edit this has nothing to do with Anders, but oh is it funny!

Modifié par Amondra, 13 avril 2011 - 06:21 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Anyone else want DLC with the Band of Three?  I want to either meet them, or if they're dead, find out more about them and maybe fix the veil thinning a bit.  Or, since this is DA2, try to fix the veil thinning, fail spectacularly, then run away.

I LOLed.  

But yes, I would like to meet the Band of Three and find out more about them.  I wanna know how they got started in the first place, investigating Kirkwall's thinning Veil.  I'll bet you anything one of them was a spirit healer-y mage of some sort.

[Deathispink]

Amondra wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Sorry that's what I mean, they did it so everyone wouldn't just jump on the mage band wagon...even if it is best, outside of it having Anders.

And yeah the Veil thing I still think had a lot going on.  Also I would love to slap who ever thought of putting the circle there.

I just agree with you, they went blood mage nuts.  Like all the mages in Kirkwall were one really desprate or had a bad case of the stupid...

I was totally convinced by the Veil thing once I hit Sundermount.  WTF demons with nobody summoning them?  And some of the places I went to reach the forbidden books... demons GALORE!
I really don't know why they bothered making deals with mages or normal humans.  Geesh.

LOL I know, though it was late one night and when I was out having a good ol' time on Sundermount and the demons popped out I was "DAMN IT MERRILL!"  Thats also when I saved and went to sleep >_>

Yeah Kirkwall seems to throw the whole "Demons need mages" blah blah out the window and rolling down a mountian.  As me just smoke the whole place, it is a breeding ground for bad mojo, I mean look what happened over ten years!

Insanity Hawke(a.k.a Ailia) tried her darndest to, darn expensive Lyrium potions made such a feat prohibitvely expensive.

*lightbulb for new series of fanfic one-shots about insanity hawke and friends begins burning brightly*

[thebrute7]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Anyone else want DLC with the Band of Three?  I want to either meet them, or if they're dead, find out more about them and maybe fix the veil thinning a bit.  Or, since this is DA2, try to fix the veil thinning, fail spectacularly, then run away.

I LOLed.  

But yes, I would like to meet the Band of Three and find out more about them.  I wanna know how they got started in the first place, investigating Kirkwall's thinning Veil.  I'll bet you anything one of them was a spirit healer-y mage of some sort.

Agreed.  I can totally see the fail spectacularly going on in this game.  Also I had forgotten about all the demons that show up with no summoner.  So bizarre...

[DeaHamlet]

I'm itching for DLC. I can't wait to see what they do!!!!!
Anyone have any speculations as to when it's happening?

[sassperella]

I do feel that mages should be policed in some form, however, as they can be a threat if left unchecked.
My characters are mainly pro mage not for complete and ultimate freedom but because they can never agree with the treatment of mages.

1. that mages are taken from their families at a very early age and never allowed to see them again.
2. mages are not allowed to have relationships and families like other people.
3. the abuse that goes on by various templars
4. As Cullen mentions in game, mages aren't treated as people.
5. The fact that the Chantry preaches mages as cursed monsters to be feared and locked away, only useful as weapons in times of war. They breed fear in the populace and ensure that mages will never ever get a fair deal.

This final point is why there will never be a true compromise. I'm sure most mages would accept some form of happy medium between total freedom and what they have now, but the Chantry's preachings and 1000 years on enforcing it means that no one will ever listen to mages, no one will ever challenge the world's core religion and allow mages anything other than their current fate. They see it as lock them away or there will be another Tevinter imperium and won't entertain the idea of anything in between.

That is why I will always be pro mage (xbox achievements excepted o_O) and will always support Anders.

[Hellosanta]

Amondra wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Sorry that's what I mean, they did it so everyone wouldn't just jump on the mage band wagon...even if it is best, outside of it having Anders.

And yeah the Veil thing I still think had a lot going on.  Also I would love to slap who ever thought of putting the circle there.

I just agree with you, they went blood mage nuts.  Like all the mages in Kirkwall were one really desprate or had a bad case of the stupid...

I was totally convinced by the Veil thing once I hit Sundermount.  WTF demons with nobody summoning them?  And some of the places I went to reach the forbidden books... demons GALORE!
I really don't know why they bothered making deals with mages or normal humans.  Geesh.

LOL I know, though it was late one night and when I was out having a good ol' time on Sundermount and the demons popped out I was "DAMN IT MERRILL!"  Thats also when I saved and went to sleep >_>

Yeah Kirkwall seems to throw the whole "Demons need mages" blah blah out the window and rolling down a mountian.  As me just smoke the whole place, it is a breeding ground for bad mojo, I mean look what happened over ten years!

Edit this has nothing to do with Anders, but oh is it funny!

JESUS FENRIS LOL I'm speechless 

[DeaHamlet]

@sassperella
I love your banner.

And with thoughts of everyone kissing everyone... I'm off to bed

[Amondra]

Deathispink wrote...

Amondra wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Sorry that's what I mean, they did it so everyone wouldn't just jump on the mage band wagon...even if it is best, outside of it having Anders.

And yeah the Veil thing I still think had a lot going on.  Also I would love to slap who ever thought of putting the circle there.

I just agree with you, they went blood mage nuts.  Like all the mages in Kirkwall were one really desprate or had a bad case of the stupid...

I was totally convinced by the Veil thing once I hit Sundermount.  WTF demons with nobody summoning them?  And some of the places I went to reach the forbidden books... demons GALORE!
I really don't know why they bothered making deals with mages or normal humans.  Geesh.

LOL I know, though it was late one night and when I was out having a good ol' time on Sundermount and the demons popped out I was "DAMN IT MERRILL!"  Thats also when I saved and went to sleep >_>

Yeah Kirkwall seems to throw the whole "Demons need mages" blah blah out the window and rolling down a mountian.  As me just smoke the whole place, it is a breeding ground for bad mojo, I mean look what happened over ten years!

Insanity Hawke(a.k.a Ailia) tried her darndest to, darn expensive Lyrium potions made such a feat prohibitvely expensive.

*lightbulb for new series of fanfic one-shots about insanity hawke and friends begins burning brightly*

I would read it!  I don't think any my Hawkes were stable after being in that city...I wonder how Varric did it?!  I know what you mean on Lyrium...I always thought it was burning a hole in my tempalr Hawkes pocket 

[sassperella]

DeaHamlet wrote...

@sassperella
I love your banner.

And with thoughts of everyone kissing everyone... I'm off to bed

The banner is on the first page of this thread So everyone can be kissing everyone with it 

[Sable Rhapsody]

You guys, I just looked up what iconoclasm means.

D8

GODDAMNIT ANDERS.

[Amondra]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

You guys, I just looked up what iconoclasm means.

D8

GODDAMNIT ANDERS.

LOL Like I said Anders can see the future...thats why he didn't romance your Warden.  He knew Hawke was waiting for him....

[CatOfEvilGenius]

DeaHamlet wrote...

I disliked Samson very much.
Thrask was cool, but clueless.
And Cullen has yet to impress me. Sure, he's improved, but some of the crap he says in act 1 makes me seethe and I cannot for the life of me forget what he was like in DA:O. I was a mage. I was not impressed by Cullen AT ALL. Even the stuff from act 3 is just not enough to redeem him in my eyes.

I feel sorry for templars... hooked on lyrium which is controlled by the chantry. Messed up, that.
But the most I mustered was an interest in preventing a war. I couldn't muster pro-templar feelings whatsoever

Just curious what about Samson rubbed you the wrong way.  I liked that he helped the underground, and sided with Thrask.  He was a junkie, but that wasn't his choice.  I didn't even mind him turning against the underground, because that was when Grace and Friends were being utter ****s.  He screwed up with Feynriel and Thrask's daughter, but I suspect being a junkie impairs his judgement and ability to function.  And limits his resources and ability to help effectively.

Cullen is so wrong about many things, but he's so much better than he was after Uldred tortured him in DAO.  I like him as a character because of his recovery from that.  And he stands up to Meredith!  Refuses to kill the mages who surrender, earning the "I will flay the flesh from your insubordinate bones later" look from her.  He refuses to go through with Annulment, and cites the Ferelden Circle as an even worse case than Kirkwall, where some mages were saved!  DAO Cullen would NOT have done that.  I see him as someone who is wrong, but inherently decent, and thus redeemable or convincable or what have you.  Not arguing with you at all, just giving my opinion.

I didn't have pro-templar feelings so much as anti-bloodmage feelings.

[Sable Rhapsody]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...
I didn't have pro-templar feelings so much as anti-bloodmage feelings.

See, that's the thing.  My Hawke was frustrated that so many blood mages turned to it out of desperation with no intention of controlling it.  But she was a blood mage herself, and the first time she ever used it was to kill a templar to protect herself and Bethany.  (Backstory fic.)  She was furious at the rampant misuse of blood magic, but she sympathized with the mages who did so.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating.  The mages go bat**** out of fear and desperation.  The templars go bat**** out of hatred and prejudice.  I'm much more sympathic toward the former than the latter.

[mesmerizedish]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Cullen is so wrong about many things, but he's so much better than he was after Uldred tortured him in DAO.  I like him as a character because of his recovery from that.  And he stands up to Meredith!  Refuses to kill the mages who surrender, earning the "I will flay the flesh from your insubordinate bones later" look from her.  He refuses to go through with Annulment, and cites the Ferelden Circle as an even worse case than Kirkwall, where some mages were saved!  DAO Cullen would NOT have done that.  I see him as someone who is wrong, but inherently decent, and thus redeemable or convincable or what have you.  Not arguing with you at all, just giving my opinion.

My issue with Cullen is that there's no character evolution for him. He was one way in Origins, he's completely different in DAII, and we have no idea how the one became the other.

[thebrute7]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...
I didn't have pro-templar feelings so much as anti-bloodmage feelings.

See, that's the thing.  My Hawke was frustrated that so many blood mages turned to it out of desperation with no intention of controlling it.  But she was a blood mage herself, and the first time she ever used it was to kill a templar to protect herself and Bethany.  (Backstory fic.)  She was furious at the rampant misuse of blood magic, but she sympathized with the mages who did so.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating.  The mages go bat**** out of fear and desperation.  The templars go bat**** out of hatred and prejudice.  I'm much more sympathic toward the former than the latter.

I agree.  Of course I don't really support the idea of mages outside of the Wardens resorting to blood magic.  I feel as Anders does.  It is detrimental to the mage's overall.  Blood magic is half the reason the templars exist in the first place if not more.  Mages resorting to it just proves the templars right.

it's not as simple as that, but that's the gist of my feelings on it.

[MorningBird]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

My issue with Cullen is that there's no character evolution for him. He was one way in Origins, he's completely different in DAII, and we have no idea how the one became the other.

A wizard did it.

[Sable Rhapsody]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

My issue with Cullen is that there's no character evolution for him. He was one way in Origins, he's completely different in DAII, and we have no idea how the one became the other.

I agree.  He went from crazy Creeposaurus Rex to, relatively speaking, a less insane templar in Kirkwall, which is quite a feat.  Or maybe he only seemed crazy in DA:O in comparison to the Ferelden Circle.

Ferelden's bat**** is Kirkwall's relatively sane.  Great. <_<

[thebrute7]

G'night Anderstians. Pray for me to have an epiphany tonight when it comes to my Anders dialogue. I am in a bad case of writer's block.

[Amondra]

thebrute7 wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...
I didn't have pro-templar feelings so much as anti-bloodmage feelings.

See, that's the thing.  My Hawke was frustrated that so many blood mages turned to it out of desperation with no intention of controlling it.  But she was a blood mage herself, and the first time she ever used it was to kill a templar to protect herself and Bethany.  (Backstory fic.)  She was furious at the rampant misuse of blood magic, but she sympathized with the mages who did so.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating.  The mages go bat**** out of fear and desperation.  The templars go bat**** out of hatred and prejudice.  I'm much more sympathic toward the former than the latter.

I agree.  Of course I don't really support the idea of mages outside of the Wardens resorting to blood magic.  I feel as Anders does.  It is detrimental to the mage's overall.  Blood magic is half the reason the templars exist in the first place if not more.  Mages resorting to it just proves the templars right.

it's not as simple as that, but that's the gist of my feelings on it.

I am full support of the HP like circle.  Mages go there to learn and hone their skills and still get to go home at night.  I sometimes wonder if this was the case, and they weren't always having the Tevinter imperium and that they had a curse beat into them.  But rather told them that they did have a gift, a dangerous one, and told them how it almost destoryed everything and that greed made those like them suffer for so long...maybe blood magic wouldn't been so common? I think that is a poor choice of words.    Also I agree on Templar's you can't always fright magic with magic,  but the addicting them is horrid and make sure they don't end up like zealots, give them a support group or something...

sorry rambling again...this thread really get me going...in a good way.

[mellifera]

I played a pro-mage mage, but he wasn't as fanatical about the whole thing as Anders. He ended up getting more involved in the cause over those seven years in Kirkwall, especially since he did have a couple of decades of resentment over always having to look over his shoulder and not being able to be 'normal' under his belt anyway. But he was using his status and position the help the cause as much as he could, no machinations of overthrowing anything (and he raeg over all the friggin blood mages and demons). When Anders jenga'd the Chantry he was like "FFFFFFFFFF WAT U DID?!" but then decided that f**k it, there's no time like the present and what Anders did can't be undone so let's see this **** to the end and try to make Kirkwall Thedas a better place for everyone. He didn't want mages ruling Tevinter style or to takeover the world with a giant kitten army, he wanted them to be able to live like any other schmuck. He was more for reform and education of mages and about mages. It's gotta start somewhere.

Plus, Anders = MASSIVE GIANT BLIND SPOT for him, so yeah. He had is "I wish I knew how to quit you" moment but then was like awwright let's go.

Modifié par yukidama, 13 avril 2011 - 06:59 .

[thebrute7]

Oh, before I go we need Anders in bed piccy.


Isn't Ser Pounce cute! Sweet Dreams.

Modifié par thebrute7, 13 avril 2011 - 06:53 .

[Tasmen]

MorningBird wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

My issue with Cullen is that there's no character evolution for him. He was one way in Origins, he's completely different in DAII, and we have no idea how the one became the other.

A wizard did it.

The power of sparklegina is indisputed.  I'm just saying...