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[Ryzaki]

RinjiRenee wrote...
He's not so much a husk as he is perfectly in sync with Justice, something like "Janders" if you will.  He has not let Justice take over his body completely, but his soul is working in harmony with Justice rather than trying to fight it.  My Hawke was a little sad about it, but it was not like he was ever going to have a normal life with the guy.  They can fight for the cause together, which IS ultimately more important (to them).

Which given previous rivalry dialogue makes no sense. He and justice weren't in sync and Justice hijack'd him just to scream at Hawke to GTFO. 

The ending made me think Justice managed to dominate Anders enough that he could go "ha ha. You can come along. You can't stop me now." There was no synchronization with him and Justice at all. He was having blackouts, he couldn't undo the bomb at the Chantry, he couldn't remember several things that occured. 

And the "cause" was never important to most of my Hawkes. The few that were mages understood the dangers of magic and while they were disgusted at the abuse of the Circles understood why they existed. They don't want mages free and unchecked. 

Edit: And before I even hear "but the friendship-!" if some of you are gonna force this friendship version on me(because the rivalry one "should remain bugged." and there's no time for the devs to createa new ending) it needs to make sense given the reason the rivalrymance "should remain bugged." is because it maks no sense. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 avril 2011 - 01:26 .

[DeaHamlet]

SurelyForth wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
True but he killed innocent people and I can't tranquil or imprision him. Death is the only option I have left. I could choose to run away with him but I have no interest in that husk that calls itself Anders. 

So you don't see anything of Anders left in the end?

I feel like I am missing something when people say this. He's absolutely not empty in the friendmance ending.He's grateful that you spare him, excited that he gets to help defend the mages. He has conversations with the other companions that sound pretty much the same as conversations he has throughout the game. When you talk to him in the Gallows he obviously has dreams, a purpose, and it's the one that Anders has wanted from the moment you meet him in Awakening.

It's also clear that he still cares for Hawke, whether he's romanced or not, and he's genuinely happy when Hawke says that s/he'll stay beside him. This is also very much Anders, because Justice would not give a good goddamn whether Hawke lives, dies or runs away to Antiva with Zevran and Isabela.

I just don't see how anyone could say that a person who hopes and loves in an empty husk.

I so agree with all of this.  Hardcore.  

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

My first view of the friendship ending was on the rivalry path. And Anders looks like he got completely hijacked by Justice in the epilogue dialogue.

It creeped me out completely.

He's not so much a husk as he is perfectly in sync with Justice, something like "Janders" if you will.  He has not let Justice take over his body completely, but his soul is working in harmony with Justice rather than trying to fight it.    He's not defeated, he's merely in agreement with Justice.  "I took a spirit into my soul in order to achieve this."

My Hawke was a little sad about it, but it was not like he was ever going to have a normal life with the guy anyway.  They can fight for the cause together, which IS ultimately more important (to them).

I think what Hawke on the friendship romance path (my Hawke, anyhow) will have the most trouble dealing with is the realisation that (s)he is (always was, always will be) second to Anders/Justice's goal of freeing mages.
Must sting at least a little...

I don't mind Justice and Anders fully merging, so long as Anders retains some of his personality. (Namely the crazy-cat-loving, humorous side.) Actually, under those circumstances, I'd prefer it.

[DeaHamlet]

Hellosanta wrote...
 Anders already has glowly/sparkling hands for you though  "The electric thing" 

But... I'm just greedy and want more, okay?  
I'm also the one who purrs when Anders says "Do not threaten me, little girl" so I'm not exactly the best example of sanity here

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Hellosanta wrote...
 Anders already has glowly/sparkling hands for you though  "The electric thing" 

But... I'm just greedy and want more, okay?  
I'm also the one who purrs when Anders says "Do not threaten me, little girl" so I'm not exactly the best example of sanity here

...WHEN does he say that!? I must know... 

[sassperella]

If Hawke pursues any romance with Anders, I think he/she has to accept that he's never going to be normal, and his cause will always come first. That's part of the package. If he can't be separated, which he can't, there are only a few possible outcomes - Anders becomes dominant, Justice becomes dominant, they merge, they die. As Anders is the weaker of the two you have to decide as Hawke, if you can live with him as he is - and he's never pretended to be anything else or whether to kill him at the end of the game.
He'll never be awakening Anders again, but then Hawke never knew Awakening Anders so to him/her he's always been as he is.

[DeaHamlet]

Ryzaki wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...
He's not so much a husk as he is perfectly in sync with Justice, something like "Janders" if you will.  He has not let Justice take over his body completely, but his soul is working in harmony with Justice rather than trying to fight it.  My Hawke was a little sad about it, but it was not like he was ever going to have a normal life with the guy.  They can fight for the cause together, which IS ultimately more important (to them).

Which given previous rivalry dialogue makes no sense. He and justice weren't in sync and Justice hijack'd him just to scream at Hawke to GTFO. 

The ending made me think Justice managed to dominate Anders enough that he could go "ha ha. You can come along. You can't stop me now." There was no synchronization with him and Justice at all. He was having blackouts, he couldn't undo the bomb at the Chantry, he couldn't remember several things that occured. 

And the "cause" was never important to most of my Hawkes. The few that were mages understood the dangers of magic and while they were disgusted at the abuse of the Circles understood why they existed. They don't want mages free and unchecked. 

Edit: And before I even hear "but the friendship-!" if some of you are gonna force this friendship version on me(because the rivalry one "should remain bugged." and there's no time for the devs to createa new ending) it needs to make sense. 

I have to say something because this is starting to grate my teeth.
I would like the templar siding Anders thing never to exist, never to have existed... in fact, I would prefer to forget all about it.
But that does NOT mean I want the mage siding rivalmance dialogue to stay bugged.  In fact, I want that fixed very much.  Because you're right, it doesn't make sense in a rivalmance at all.  What with Justice spewing stuff at you and whatnots.

So please stop assuming that wanting the templar siding Anders to remain broken or out of the game is the same as wanting the rivalmance mage-siding Anders to stay bugged.
Two separate things.

[sassperella]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...

Hellosanta wrote...
 Anders already has glowly/sparkling hands for you though  "The electric thing" 

But... I'm just greedy and want more, okay?  
I'm also the one who purrs when Anders says "Do not threaten me, little girl" so I'm not exactly the best example of sanity here

...WHEN does he say that!? I must know... 

when you first meet him and ask him about the maps if you chose the aggressive option - give me the maps or else or something like that. You have to be a douche to get it.

[DeaHamlet]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...

Hellosanta wrote...
 Anders already has glowly/sparkling hands for you though  "The electric thing" 

But... I'm just greedy and want more, okay?  
I'm also the one who purrs when Anders says "Do not threaten me, little girl" so I'm not exactly the best example of sanity here

...WHEN does he say that!? I must know... 

If you threaten him the first time you meet him 

[Ryzaki]

DeaHamlet wrote...
I have to say something because this is starting to grate my teeth.
I would like the templar siding Anders thing never to exist, never to have existed... in fact, I would prefer to forget all about it.
But that does NOT mean I want the mage siding rivalmance dialogue to stay bugged.  In fact, I want that fixed very much.  Because you're right, it doesn't make sense in a rivalmance at all.  What with Justice spewing stuff at you and whatnots.

So please stop assuming that wanting the templar siding Anders to remain broken or out of the game is the same as wanting the rivalmance mage-siding Anders to stay bugged.
Two separate things.

And why should your game experience take prescendence over mine when you can just ignore it? You want part of my experience to be bugged because you don't want it to exist? You can't just ignore it like other choices in the game that you don't make? Is the game gonna force you to take the rivalry templar ending? 

That "I hope it stays bugged." is starting to grate my teeth as well. So believe me I know the feeling. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 avril 2011 - 01:33 .

[shiba5]

Dasha Dreyson wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

or C) He'll get a small, lame cameo that wasn't really worth the effort.

I'd almost be ok with this if it was something sickeningly cute like him sitting in a cottage playing with kittens.

Or if we see him with Hawke, and they both look somewhat more stable and happy... as much as fugitives can, anyhow.

So long as I know DA2 wasn't a wasted effort. 

New Hero: What's with all the kitten?
Hawke: It's the only way I can keep him from blowing random **** up.

Perfect.
I would be totally happy with this so it will never happen. Instead, I'll find his rotted corpse mauled by wolves. It will have a sign stuck in it with http://t2.gstatic.co...y_iTYFQI8B0iNcQ

[DeaHamlet]

sassperella wrote...

If Hawke pursues any romance with Anders, I think he/she has to accept that he's never going to be normal, and his cause will always come first. That's part of the package. If he can't be separated, which he can't, there are only a few possible outcomes - Anders becomes dominant, Justice becomes dominant, they merge, they die. As Anders is the weaker of the two you have to decide as Hawke, if you can live with him as he is - and he's never pretended to be anything else or whether to kill him at the end of the game.
He'll never be awakening Anders again, but then Hawke never knew Awakening Anders so to him/her he's always been as he is.

Yeah, pretty much this.  My mage is never bothered by all this "Hawke comes second" business.  Two things can be super important to someone and it doesn't have to be that way.  Sometimes you must focus on the mission, sometimes on sexy times.  *shrug* 
Anders from Awakening does not exist really.

[sassperella]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...

Hellosanta wrote...
 Anders already has glowly/sparkling hands for you though  "The electric thing" 

But... I'm just greedy and want more, okay?  
I'm also the one who purrs when Anders says "Do not threaten me, little girl" so I'm not exactly the best example of sanity here

...WHEN does he say that!? I must know... 

If you threaten him the first time you meet him 

It's also what makes me put him nearer the 30 than the 24/25 age range that people seem to think he falls into. Hawke is early 20s and he calls her little girl.

[Threeparts]

Also, a few pages back there was a conversation about what the main plot of DA2 was and it being a character-driven story. I agree with that, and would also like the add that we're living someone's biography more than working towards a specific end. That there are ends that are achieved is part of what makes that life interesting, and that they are important ends is what makes Hawke's story overall one worth telling.

The Warden was recruited for a purpose: once Duncan learned about the Warden's prowess, and the Warden's life was endangered, the story was set. You would become a Grey Warden, a role with a very specific duty to fulfill: Kill darkspawn. Save the world. Every major thing you did in DA:O was to achieve that end, and making friends and falling in love were just things that happened along the way.

Hawke? Not so much. Hawke's just this fella who's trying to get along in life, and sometimes has to make difficult or dangerous decisions in order to keep his or her head above water.
We know that Hawke's path is set, but as far as Hawke is concerned, things just keep happening and s/he just has to keep dealing with it. S/he might be living a charmed life or living a cursed life, but it's far more obvious when you look at Hawke's tale that s/he's something special. Whether it's the hand of the Maker, Flemeth's machinations, or a coincidence that s/he's living in interesting times hasn't been revealed yet, but Hawke's actions are going to reverberate around the world, even while s/he's just standing there in the ruins, looking startled and asking, "What did I do?"

They're totally different stories. I enjoy both the Warden's epic triumph (both in killing the demon and becoming the Grey Warden), and Hawke's blundering into a life of greatness. One makes me cheer and view the Warden with respect, the other makes me think, "This could have happened to anyone and, gee golly gosh, I'm glad it wasn't me."

Modifié par Threeparts, 13 avril 2011 - 01:39 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

My first view of the friendship ending was on the rivalry path. And Anders looks like he got completely hijacked by Justice in the epilogue dialogue.

It creeped me out completely.

He's not so much a husk as he is perfectly in sync with Justice, something like "Janders" if you will.  He has not let Justice take over his body completely, but his soul is working in harmony with Justice rather than trying to fight it.    He's not defeated, he's merely in agreement with Justice.  "I took a spirit into my soul in order to achieve this."

My Hawke was a little sad about it, but it was not like he was ever going to have a normal life with the guy anyway.  They can fight for the cause together, which IS ultimately more important (to them).

I think what Hawke on the friendship romance path (my Hawke, anyhow) will have the most trouble dealing with is the realisation that (s)he is (always was, always will be) second to Anders/Justice's goal of freeing mages.
Must sting at least a little...

I don't mind Justice and Anders fully merging, so long as Anders retains some of his personality. (Namely the crazy-cat-loving, humorous side.) Actually, under those circumstances, I'd prefer it.

I felt Hawke was a stupid idiot and pretty selfish for sitting around in a mansion with a guy who had basically thrown his life away to save mages and doing absolutely nothing for three years.

Hawke> Oh yeah I totally dig your thoughts about mage freedom and all that, I'm totally for that -- want a sandwich?
Anders> Huh...?  Okay...
~*~ THREE FESTOONING YEARS LATER ~*~
Hawke> HEY CUPCAKE~  what do you think about this new rug?   y/n?
Anders> *rocking back and forth*

So it's time for Hawke to get the ball rolling, finally.

[DeaHamlet]

Ryzaki wrote...
And why should your game experience take prescendence over mine when you can just ignore it? When you can just ignore it ? You want part of my experience to be bugged because you don't want it to exist? You can't just ignore it like other choices in the game that you don't make? Is the game gonna force you to take the rivalry templar ending? 

That "I hope it stays bugged." is starting to grate my teeth as well. So believe me I know the feeling. 

Tralalala... because I don't like what that says about Anders, that's why.  Because I personally believe they DID take it out on purpose and as a result messed up other things.  And I like my world that way neener-neener .
If they fix it, I'll see what it's all about and decide what it means.  Anders in alternate game-verses still are part of what he is as a person, potentially.  The willingness the kill mages says something to me about his character as a whole, it's not as simple as "you can just ignore it".  Alas, if Bioware fixes and it's there, I deal with it.  Right now it's not and I'm delusional enough to like thinking that maybe it's on purpose.  
It might ****** you off, but alas... that's life.  If Bioware wants it to be there, it will be there and I will deal with it.  If Bioware doesn't want it in there, they changed their mind last minute or something, then it won't be there in the normal game and you will have to deal with it.

We each have preferences, likes/dislikes, but the truth is that in the end... it's really not about us, is it? 

You like a universe where you can torture and break Anders, I like a universe where it's not possible to make Anders into the biggest hypocrite douchebag of all times.  We each have our quirks.  

[purplecookie]

sassperella wrote...

If Hawke pursues any romance with Anders, I think he/she has to accept that he's never going to be normal, and his cause will always come first. That's part of the package. If he can't be separated, which he can't, there are only a few possible outcomes - Anders becomes dominant, Justice becomes dominant, they merge, they die. As Anders is the weaker of the two you have to decide as Hawke, if you can live with him as he is - and he's never pretended to be anything else or whether to kill him at the end of the game.
He'll never be awakening Anders again, but then Hawke never knew Awakening Anders so to him/her he's always been as he is.

This. The last bit of dialogue with Anders if you friendshipromanced him is extremely telling (for me, anyway) that while he does say he'd rather be on the run with Hawke and that they'll be fighting for a better world etc, the very last thing he says is (and I can't remember the exact line) "May the Maker bring us victory, or all else is meaningless". That last line just seemed to me that Hawke really doesn't matter all that much in comparison to his cause (no real surprise there I suppose) - great if he/she wants to come along for the ride, but make no mistake that they're not a priority.

[dpMeggers]

Ryzaki wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...
I have to say something because this is starting to grate my teeth.
I would like the templar siding Anders thing never to exist, never to have existed... in fact, I would prefer to forget all about it.
But that does NOT mean I want the mage siding rivalmance dialogue to stay bugged.  In fact, I want that fixed very much.  Because you're right, it doesn't make sense in a rivalmance at all.  What with Justice spewing stuff at you and whatnots.

So please stop assuming that wanting the templar siding Anders to remain broken or out of the game is the same as wanting the rivalmance mage-siding Anders to stay bugged.
Two separate things.

And why should your game experience take prescendence over mine when you can just ignore it? You want part of my experience to be bugged because you don't want it to exist? You can't just ignore it like other choices in the game that you don't make? Is the game gonna force you to take the rivalry templar ending? 

That "I hope it stays bugged." is starting to grate my teeth as well. So believe me I know the feeling. 

Just to jump in on this, and I do ask that you read the whole post before responding...
I HATE the idea of the rivalmance-templar-joining Anders ending. Hate it with a passion. Having said that, I also hate playing pro-templar, hate rival-ing Anders, hate turning Fenris over to Danarius and do not want to romance Isabela. That does not mean I want to deny people the opportunity to play these options in their games. I do not want rivalmance-pro-templar Anders, but I want that ending to be fixed so that the people who DO want it can get it. If it was meant to be in the game, it should be. I'll never take that path so my knowledge that it exists doesn't bother me.

[DeaHamlet]

Ryzaki wrote...

And why should your game experience take prescendence over mine when you can just ignore it? You want part of my experience to be bugged because you don't want it to exist? You can't just ignore it like other choices in the game that you don't make? Is the game gonna force you to take the rivalry templar ending? 

That "I hope it stays bugged." is starting to grate my teeth as well. So believe me I know the feeling. 

Also.  You completely ignored my point.  You keep ranting that we all want your pro-mage rivalmance bugged when, at least I, do not want that.  But okay.  

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

My first view of the friendship ending was on the rivalry path. And Anders looks like he got completely hijacked by Justice in the epilogue dialogue.

It creeped me out completely.

He's not so much a husk as he is perfectly in sync with Justice, something like "Janders" if you will.  He has not let Justice take over his body completely, but his soul is working in harmony with Justice rather than trying to fight it.    He's not defeated, he's merely in agreement with Justice.  "I took a spirit into my soul in order to achieve this."

My Hawke was a little sad about it, but it was not like he was ever going to have a normal life with the guy anyway.  They can fight for the cause together, which IS ultimately more important (to them).

I think what Hawke on the friendship romance path (my Hawke, anyhow) will have the most trouble dealing with is the realisation that (s)he is (always was, always will be) second to Anders/Justice's goal of freeing mages.
Must sting at least a little...

I don't mind Justice and Anders fully merging, so long as Anders retains some of his personality. (Namely the crazy-cat-loving, humorous side.) Actually, under those circumstances, I'd prefer it.

I felt Hawke was a stupid idiot and pretty selfish for sitting around in a mansion with a guy who had basically thrown his life away to save mages and doing absolutely nothing for three years.

Hawke> Oh yeah I totally dig your thoughts about mage freedom and all that, I'm totally for that -- want a sandwich?
Anders> Huh...?  Okay...
~*~ THREE FESTOONING YEARS LATER ~*~
Hawke> HEY CUPCAKE~  what do you think about this new rug?   y/n?
Anders> *rocking back and forth*

So it's time for Hawke to get the ball rolling, finally.

Somehow, I doubt Anders did nothing for three years...
I doubt Hawke got five minutes peace, either. Take your pick:
1) Deal with whiny nobles.
2) Deal with everybody elses problems
3) Help your unstable boyfriend assist mages.
4) Lock yourself away and go stir crazy.

I pick 4... or 3 maybe.

[Ryzaki]

DeaHamlet wrote..
Tralalala... because I don't like what that says about Anders, that's why.  Because I personally believe they DID take it out on purpose and as a result messed up other things.  And I like my world that way neener-neener .
If they fix it, I'll see what it's all about and decide what it means.  Anders in alternate game-verses still are part of what he is as a person, potentially.  The willingness the kill mages says something to me about his character as a whole, it's not as simple as "you can just ignore it".  Alas, if Bioware fixes and it's there, I deal with it.  Right now it's not and I'm delusional enough to like thinking that maybe it's on purpose.  
It might ****** you off, but alas... that's life.  If Bioware wants it to be there, it will be there and I will deal with it.  If Bioware doesn't want it in there, they changed their mind last minute or something, then it won't be there in the normal game and you will have to deal with it.

We each have preferences, likes/dislikes, but the truth is that in the end... it's really not about us, is it? 

You like a universe where you can torture and break Anders, I like a universe where it's not possible to make Anders into the biggest hypocrite douchebag of all times.  We each have our quirks.  

Difference is I'm not trying to impose my universe on you. If you can't ignore something optional that's not my problem nor frankly do I care. 

As for dealing with it. Yes I will. But for the present moment my ending makes no damn sense and I'll freely say so. Once BW shows they have no interest in making my ending make sense I'll move along. 

And our universes don't need to coexist. But you seem to delight in making mine impossible because you can't seem to bare the thought of mein a totally unrelated game doing something you don't agree with. That makes as much sense as screaming about s/s LIs when you don't need to do the romance. 

[Ryzaki]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And why should your game experience take prescendence over mine when you can just ignore it? You want part of my experience to be bugged because you don't want it to exist? You can't just ignore it like other choices in the game that you don't make? Is the game gonna force you to take the rivalry templar ending? 

That "I hope it stays bugged." is starting to grate my teeth as well. So believe me I know the feeling. 

Also.  You completely ignored my point.  You keep ranting that we all want your pro-mage rivalmance bugged when, at least I, do not want that.  But okay.  

This was about the templar ending. Or did you not bother reading the underlined bit? My rant is about the rivalmance period being bugged. Both templar and mage endings. But okay. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 avril 2011 - 01:43 .

[Dunizel]

RinjiRenee wrote...

I felt Hawke was a stupid idiot and pretty selfish for sitting around in a mansion with a guy who had basically thrown his life away to save mages and doing absolutely nothing for three years.

Hawke> Oh yeah I totally dig your thoughts about mage freedom and all that, I'm totally for that -- want a sandwich?
Anders> Huh...?  Okay...
~*~ THREE FESTOONING YEARS LATER ~*~
Hawke> HEY CUPCAKE~  what do you think about this new rug?   y/n?
Anders> *rocking back and forth*

So it's time for Hawke to get the ball rolling, finally.

The FESTOOONING years later broght a cheerfulness that I needed in this thread, my kitten attempt didn't work (but I'll try again!)
Now I can imagine them deciding the tipe of furniture and dresses 

[Rinji the Bearded]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

My first view of the friendship ending was on the rivalry path. And Anders looks like he got completely hijacked by Justice in the epilogue dialogue.

It creeped me out completely.

He's not so much a husk as he is perfectly in sync with Justice, something like "Janders" if you will.  He has not let Justice take over his body completely, but his soul is working in harmony with Justice rather than trying to fight it.    He's not defeated, he's merely in agreement with Justice.  "I took a spirit into my soul in order to achieve this."

My Hawke was a little sad about it, but it was not like he was ever going to have a normal life with the guy anyway.  They can fight for the cause together, which IS ultimately more important (to them).

I think what Hawke on the friendship romance path (my Hawke, anyhow) will have the most trouble dealing with is the realisation that (s)he is (always was, always will be) second to Anders/Justice's goal of freeing mages.
Must sting at least a little...

I don't mind Justice and Anders fully merging, so long as Anders retains some of his personality. (Namely the crazy-cat-loving, humorous side.) Actually, under those circumstances, I'd prefer it.

I felt Hawke was a stupid idiot and pretty selfish for sitting around in a mansion with a guy who had basically thrown his life away to save mages and doing absolutely nothing for three years.

Hawke> Oh yeah I totally dig your thoughts about mage freedom and all that, I'm totally for that -- want a sandwich?
Anders> Huh...?  Okay...
~*~ THREE FESTOONING YEARS LATER ~*~
Hawke> HEY CUPCAKE~  what do you think about this new rug?   y/n?
Anders> *rocking back and forth*

So it's time for Hawke to get the ball rolling, finally.

Somehow, I doubt Anders did nothing for three years...
I doubt Hawke got five minutes peace, either. Take your pick:
1) Deal with whiny nobles.
2) Deal with everybody elses problems
3) Help your unstable boyfriend assist mages.
4) Lock yourself away and go stir crazy.

I pick 4... or 3 maybe.

Well, the point of my dialogue was more or less to illustrate that the situation with the mages got even worse, and Hawke had no hand in that... nor in making it any better.  Anders tried to forget about it as well, but felt horrible about it.

This point is made even more if Hawke himself/herself is an apostate.  Kind of hypocritical to be all for mage freedom but then be living above the law and in the lap of luxury while other mages are suffering and crying out for someone to stop all the madness.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 13 avril 2011 - 01:45 .

[DeaHamlet]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Somehow, I doubt Anders did nothing for three years...
I doubt Hawke got five minutes peace, either. Take your pick:
1) Deal with whiny nobles.
2) Deal with everybody elses problems
3) Help your unstable boyfriend assist mages.
4) Lock yourself away and go stir crazy.

I pick 4... or 3 maybe.

I doubt Hawkette sat on her ass.  I'm actually pretty sure she did nothing of the sort.  At least my Hawkette's are action women.  I think she'd skip 1 totally, LOL.  
I still don't see why Hawke couldn't become viscount in 3 years.  She totally could do it, damn!