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[Sable Rhapsody]

Ryzaki wrote...

nekhbet wrote...
Mmwah, is it really voluntary at that point? Your alternative is going through the Harrowing, ****ting your pants and failing it and then being killed. Because you have to choose between Harrowing and being made tranquil in any case.

It'd be voluntary if there was also the option not to pick either of them.

You won't necessarily go through the Harrowing. And that's not why thegirl did it. She did it because she saw herself as wicked and sinful and hated herself. 

Thanks Sia. 

And that was when Soria Amell rolled her eyes, muttered something about idiots, and stalked away with her nose in the air.  My Warden was damned proud of being able to light s*** on fire with her brain.  Of course she was also Irving's star pupil and a sassy little motha'.

EDIT for top:

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 13 avril 2011 - 07:43 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Kawamura wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Nice!? I think tranquility is quite possibly the most disturbing thing about the DA universe D:

I think forced traqnuility is wrong.

Maybe it helps that I'm almost a Buddhist? That might be why it doesn't sound all that bad? I mean, outside of forcingp people. That's bad.

I agree, the forcing people thing is bad but I mean... once they are Tranquil they don't retain the perspective or capacity to resent their situation. So. There are worse things than being Tranquil, but being made Tranquil... not much is worse.

Which makes me curious about the procedure for making someone Tranquil. Is there any info on that?

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 13 avril 2011 - 07:45 .

[silver-crescent]

Are you talking about the girl at the circle with Wynne?

That type of self loathing behaviour is awful, just another reason why the Chantry needed to change.

It's very similar to what happens with some very religious gay people, unfortunately.

[leggywillow]

yukidama wrote...
by Ziegedrachen

OMGOMGOMGOMG.

There are no words for how hilarious this is.  Oh Anders, you're my favorite creeper ever.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Pseudocognition wrote...
Which makes me curious about the procedure for making someone Tranquil. Is there any info on that?

It's a lyrium brand.  Here's the wiki article: http://dragonage.wik...il#The_Tranquil

[YamiSnuffles]

Well, Feynriel can also ask you to make him Tranquil if you f*** up his mission. It was depressing when that happened on my husband's first playthrough.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Nice!? I think tranquility is quite possibly the most disturbing thing about the DA universe D:

I think forced traqnuility is wrong.

Maybe it helps that I'm almost a Buddhist? That might be why it doesn't sound all that bad? I mean, outside of forcingp people. That's bad.

I agree, the forcing people thing is bad but I mean... once they are Tranquil they don't retain the perspective or capacity to resent their situation. So. There are worse things than being Tranquil, but being made Tranquil... not much is worse.

Which makes me curious about the procedure for making someone Tranquil. Is there any info on that?

Only that it involves lyrium.  For it to be approved, there must be a cause (of course) and also approval from the First Enchanter... unless the Templars decide to ignore the First Enchanter.  The First Enchanter is also supposed to be present during the rite but I think this is also optional.

[Schala00neg]

Amondra wrote...

So like Cake or Death just no cake?  Shame the circle should have cake, I bet things would be better.

Yay! An Eddie Izzard fan!

[leggywillow]

Pseudocognition wrote...
Which makes me curious about the procedure for making someone Tranquil. Is there any info on that?

Watching Twilight on a loop until your mind purges itself of emotions.

DUH.

[Ryzaki]

Kelli: Blessed art thou who exists in the sight of the Maker.. [She's praying to herself.]

Warden: What are you doing?

K: Bless-- Oh, hello... I'm reciting the Maker's blessings. Would you like to join me? [Was interrupted in her prayer but is trying to be polite and friendly.]

W: I think not.

K: I recite the Maker's blessings every day. It brings me peace in troubled times. [Peaceful and joyful]

W: Are you in trouble?

K: No, not really. It's just... <desc>sigh</desc> I don't want to bore you with this. [A little uncomfortable and self-conscious.]

W: It's all right. I want to know.

K: It gives me hope that one day, the Maker will hear us. [Earnestly. She really believes this.]That maybe I'll be forgiven, and my curse will be lifted. [Fervent, earnest.]

W: Curse?

K: Magic--what else? [Confused by the question. Baffled that the person has to ask what she's talking about.]

W: Magic isn't a curse.

K: Magic causes such misery. It's dangerous and vile and wicked. The Chantry must protect the world from us.[Fervent, almost fanatical.] Being born with something so terrible must be a punishment. I wish I could be rid of it. [Bitterly. Full of self-hatred.]

W: You could ask to be made tranquil. (IF: JOWAN_TALKED_TO [bhm_main])

K: That takes the magic from me? It does, doesn't it?

W: The Chantry would appreciate one less mage running about.

K: Imagine! No fear of becoming an abomination. Not being reviled by common folk and Chantry... [Excited.] I should go. My mentor only allows a few minutes each day for religious contemplation.[Suddenly becomes aware of the time and is eager to excuse herself.]

End convo.

I feel bad for her. But hey if she wants to choose to be tranquil. That's her pergotative. My Wardens kind of looked sadly at her as she left. (And a few wanted to become tranquil themselves but Irving would never allow it.)  

I have a thing for weak willed characters that are suicidal. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 avril 2011 - 07:51 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ryzaki wrote...
I feel bad for her. But hey if she wants to choose to be tranquil. That's her pergotative. My Wardens kind of looked sadly at her as she left. (And a few wanted to become tranquil themselves but Irving would never allow it.) 

As a player, I felt bad for her.  It's not her fault that she's been taught her whole life that she's evil and wicked.

My Warden, however, was less sympathetic.  She and my Hawke are a pair of badass, strong-willed Amell women with magic coursing through their veins.  And neither has a lot of patience for that sort of attitude.

[Amondra]

Schala00neg wrote...

Amondra wrote...

So like Cake or Death just no cake?  Shame the circle should have cake, I bet things would be better.

Yay! An Eddie Izzard fan!

Yep  I couldn't resist. >_>

Also I don't know about making people Tranquil but, I was also wondering, maybe I heard them wrong but I could have swon at one point someone said a demon was summoned to face you....So they use blood magic to keep hold on you, and they summon demons...Yeah...good job Chantry 

[Ryzaki]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
I feel bad for her. But hey if she wants to choose to be tranquil. That's her pergotative. My Wardens kind of looked sadly at her as she left. (And a few wanted to become tranquil themselves but Irving would never allow it.) 

As a player, I felt bad for her.  It's not her fault that she's been taught her whole life that she's evil and wicked.

My Warden, however, was less sympathetic.  She and my Hawke are a pair of badass, strong-willed Amell women with magic coursing through their veins.  And neither has a lot of patience for that sort of attitude.

It really isn't. You'd think the Chantry would ease up on that. 

Oh your Wardens and Hawkes would hate mine. Mine are gather someone up in their arms and try to protect them types. 

My Amell male was a right bastard though. He laughed at her before walking off. Figured she'd provided some entertainment if nothing else. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 avril 2011 - 07:56 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

Also, about voluntarily becoming Tranquil... the First Enchanter must also approve of it. I imagine some First Enchanters must try their hardest to talk them out of it.

[Sialater]

The highest cause of death in Circles is suicide.

[Ryzaki]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Also, about voluntarily becoming Tranquil... the First Enchanter must also approve of it. I imagine some First Enchanters must try their hardest to talk them out of it.

Why would the first enchanter need to try to talk them out of it if they can just disapprove of the rite of tranquility being used in that case? 

That said I wonder how often mages are abused by each other? It has to occur. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 avril 2011 - 07:58 .

[Persephone]

Kawamura wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Nice!? I think tranquility is quite possibly the most disturbing thing about the DA universe D:

I think forced traqnuility is wrong.

Maybe it helps that I'm almost a Buddhist? That might be why it doesn't sound all that bad? I mean, outside of forcingp people. That's bad.

Having no emotions, no desires, no dreams isn't all that bad?

I agree with Bethany's opinion. That's a fate worse than death.

[leggywillow]

Sialater wrote...

The highest cause of death in Circles is suicide.

I feel like this needs to be followed by a "The more you know!" banner.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Kawamura wrote...

I did get a mod that changed Irving's beard.

Because, for chrissakes, he's the First Enchanter, not Charles Manson.

EDIT: My turn on top? Mwahahaha.

Thank god, someone shut him up.

But seriously, after playing Origins again and talking to Owain it seems Tranquility became something much worse in DA2. I mean of course there are those that stripped from their humanity by force then there are those who choose that path like Owain. He's not a mindless zombie, just sees thing with a clarity we has emotional beings will never understand. To us it seems horrible but to him that was a more compelling choice than his Harrowing.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ryzaki wrote...

It really isn't. You'd think the Chantry would ease up on that. 

Oh your Wardens and Hawkes would hate mine. Mine are gather someone up in their arms and try to protect them types. 

The Chantry's whole "ZOMG MAGIC IS EVIL YOU ARE ALL EVIL" schtick is a huge part of why my Warden is a Liberatarian and looks up to Morrigan and Flemeth, and why Anders manages to convince my more selfish Hawke that his cause is worth putting her life on the line.

And I think my Warden would get along just fine with yours.  She's sweet and kind-hearted and positively wonderful. But she's also headstrong and proud, with no patience for Keilli's sort of willing accomplice syndrome.  My Hawke, on the other hand...yeah.  She's got a few groups of people she cares about, and everyone else can go f*** themselves.  She's a bit of a psycho.

[Ryzaki]

And there's that tranquil guy in Ostagar who if you tell him he's not human anymore politely tells you that yes he is.

I liked that guy. Wish I could've talked to him more.

[Ninche]

silver-crescent wrote...

Are you talking about the girl at the circle with Wynne?

That type of self loathing behaviour is awful, just another reason why the Chantry needed to change

It's very similar to what happens with some very religious gay people, unfortunately.

And then you get those groups that try to "fix" sexuality through finding god. 

I agree totally. You know, probably THE worst thing about the whole mage situation is the social stigma. Families get shamed if they birth a child with magic, children get stripped of titles and taken away forever. In order to avoid further shame the families are (to put it mildly) discouraged to seek out the child or attempt to get in contact with them. Maker forbid if they attempt to help them out if they flee the Circle. In some cases (like Kirkwall) mages' families get "raided"

Surely alot of grief would be avoided if the children mages are allowed to KEEP IN TOUCH with their family? Perhaps visit (if) when they pass their Harrowing? IF magic wasn't viewed as this horrible curse? 

Anders himself used to be a "devout Andrastian"  so it must have been terribly hard for him to suddenly realise  that his maker has cursed him and hates everything he is. It actually makes me sad when he reads his manifesto and tries to convince Hawke why the maker wouldn't actually despise mages. His trembling voice breaks my heart. 

 I understand the need for mages to be trained and carefully observed until they have learnt how to resist demons etc. but why the whole chantry-initiated hate? There's no need. 

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Ryzaki wrote...

And there's that tranquil guy in Ostagar who if you tell him he's not human anymore politely tells you that yes he is.

I liked that guy. Wish I could've talked to him more.

Owain will tell you the same thing if you mention emotions are what makes you human.

Then you can apologize for being a dick.XD

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Ninche wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Are you talking about the girl at the circle with Wynne?

That type of self loathing behaviour is awful, just another reason why the Chantry needed to change

It's very similar to what happens with some very religious gay people, unfortunately.

And then you get those groups that try to "fix" sexuality through finding god.

Pray the gay away.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Ryzaki wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Also, about voluntarily becoming Tranquil... the First Enchanter must also approve of it. I imagine some First Enchanters must try their hardest to talk them out of it.

Why would the first enchanter need to try to talk them out of it if they can just disapprove of the rite of tranquility being used in that case? 

That said I wonder how often mages are abused by each other? It has to occur. 

Well, I mean that in a more counseling way, like "Okay, let's discuss why you want to be made Tranquil."  They can ultimately turn down their request.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 13 avril 2011 - 08:03 .