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[Schala00neg]

I think that the main reason that the Chantry and Templars are so repressive towards mages has to do with keeping control over their flock. I was raised in an extremely controlling religion (some people would call it a cult) and I can see a lot of similarities between the Chantry and the way that I was raised. And that would be why I've hated the Chantry since DA:O.

If anyone's interested in the subject, check out Steven Hassan's "Combatting Cult Mind Control" and "Releasing the Bonds". In chapter 2 if RTB, he goes over four main factors that are used to control people in cults: behavior, information, thought, and emotional control. In Thedas, behavioral control is used by forcing all magic users to live at the Circle. They only associate with other mages and Chantry representatives. With information control, mages are kept entirely dependent on the Circle for their needs. Remember Grace ****ing about wandering around in the wilderness, eating carrion? Mages are trained to have no real world experience. Kielli is a good example of thought control; she really believed that she was evil, because she had been told that over and over and over. Emotional control is used with the Chantry promoting fear of mages. "Mages are just deemonz waiting to happen!" There's more examples in the game, but those are off the top of my head.

By using these techniques, the Chantry retains support from the general population. There's an obvious "enemy" or threat that only the Chantry keeps the people safe from. In doing so, the Chantry remains in control.

edit: Noo, top of page! Can someone post a pic? I haven't figured out how to do that yet:unsure:

Modifié par Schala00neg, 13 avril 2011 - 09:11 .

[Ryzaki]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...
Well I'm not saying any result would stem from it.
I'm just saying...it would outrage the mages. As many things do. Mages are fully aware that rape goes on within the Tower, but to have the evidence right there in your face, and have nobody doing anything about it, that would be infuriating.

I can't imagine Greagoir ignoring something like that. He seemed like an ass, but not the kind of ass that would overlook a pregnant Tranquil.

It would. But so would seeing people you *know* passed their Harrowing walking around with tranquil marks on their foreheads. 

Oh yeah Gregoir wouldn't. But he wouldn't have let that rite of tranquility be abused like that either. I have a feeling Gregoir ran a tight ship. 

On the other hand I could see another knight commander not caring. 

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

TripLight wrote...

*sighs* Why does every fic now that I come across have Anders loving Hawke from afar while Hawke macks Fenris. This almost always has the Hawke flirting enough with him to get the "Unf" Kiss, but then they say no and runaway.

I can't decide if I am reading Mary-Sues (Black Hole or Jerk-Sue). Either that or I am just sensitive to it.

No mistakes I do like the Fenris Romance but come on..

I matched Isabella and Fenris is mine.

[SurelyForth]

TripLight wrote...

*sighs* Why does every fic now that I come across have Anders loving Hawke from afar while Hawke macks Fenris. This almost always has the Hawke flirting enough with him to get the "Unf" Kiss, but then they say no and runaway.

I can't decide if I am reading Mary-Sues (Black Hole or Jerk-Sue). Either that or I am just sensitive to it.

No mistakes I do like the Fenris Romance but come on..

!! They are Doing It Wrong. Bang Fenris, then get Unf Kiss and never look back.

[Sialater]

TripLight wrote...

*sighs* Why does every fic now that I come across have Anders loving Hawke from afar while Hawke macks Fenris. This almost always has the Hawke flirting enough with him to get the "Unf" Kiss, but then they say no and runaway.

I can't decide if I am reading Mary-Sues (Black Hole or Jerk-Sue). Either that or I am just sensitive to it.

No mistakes I do like the Fenris Romance but come on..

And here I was playing with the idea of the triangle in the other direction.  

[Amondra]

What about Nate's pants?!

[leggywillow]

SurelyForth wrote...

TripLight wrote...

*sighs* Why does every fic now that I come across have Anders loving Hawke from afar while Hawke macks Fenris. This almost always has the Hawke flirting enough with him to get the "Unf" Kiss, but then they say no and runaway.

I can't decide if I am reading Mary-Sues (Black Hole or Jerk-Sue). Either that or I am just sensitive to it.

No mistakes I do like the Fenris Romance but come on..

!! They are Doing It Wrong. Bang Fenris, then get Unf Kiss and never look back.

I agree, they're definitely doing it wrong!  I love to get my glowy wall kiss and then send that elf a-packin'.  (Well, he sends himself a-packin', but you know what I mean.)

[nyxocity]

SurelyForth wrote...

TripLight wrote...

*sighs* Why does every fic now that I come across have Anders loving Hawke from afar while Hawke macks Fenris. This almost always has the Hawke flirting enough with him to get the "Unf" Kiss, but then they say no and runaway.

I can't decide if I am reading Mary-Sues (Black Hole or Jerk-Sue). Either that or I am just sensitive to it.

No mistakes I do like the Fenris Romance but come on..

!! They are Doing It Wrong. Bang Fenris, then get Unf Kiss and never look back.

For me it's more like; bang Fenris, bang Isabela, then get Unf Kiss and never look back. 

Oh, BTW, I really enjoyed your Anders & Alistair fics, especially the two parter one.

Modifié par thenyxie, 13 avril 2011 - 09:17 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

Amondra wrote...

What about Nate's pants?!

I WANT IN THEM

I want his leather-studded kiss in the sand, I want his loooove
LOVE LOVE LOVE I WANT HIS LOVE

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 13 avril 2011 - 09:16 .

[leggywillow]

thenyxie wrote...
For me it's more like; bang Fenris, bang Isabela, then get Unf Kiss and never look back.

If you bang Fenris then Isabela, do you still get the "They all left the Champion's side except Isabela" glitch in the end?  That's the main reason why I stay away from having a fling with her now.

[Tasmen]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Amondra wrote...

What about Nate's pants?!

I WANT IN THEM

I just want them off him....  Yes.

Naked mod, I miss you most of all...

[Jean]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Wow, Seb.
Calling the Qunari heathens....way to be as religious as possible.
Perhaps you and Sister Petrice should've had a nice Qunari hating chaste marriage. Awwyeah, right?

Cullen calls them heathens too.

One of the few times I've had to facepalm at that guy.

[SurelyForth]

thenyxie wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...
!! They are Doing It Wrong. Bang Fenris, then get Unf Kiss and never look back.

For me it's more like; bang Fenris, bang Isabela, then get Unf Kiss and never look back. 

Well, this is how I do it in the game.

Actually, in my head, it's bang Isabela, bang Fenris, bang Isabela, get Unf Kiss and never look back. Also, encourage Fenris and Isabela to bang each other.

Profit?

Modifié par SurelyForth, 13 avril 2011 - 09:19 .

[Purposeof-Flight]

leggywillow wrote...

thenyxie wrote...
For me it's more like; bang Fenris, bang Isabela, then get Unf Kiss and never look back.

If you bang Fenris then Isabela, do you still get the "They all left the Champion's side except Isabela" glitch in the end?  That's the main reason why I stay away from having a fling with her now.

No.
I only got that glitch if I banged Fenris, then Isabela, then Anders, and then killed Anders at the end,
It sounds like he's saying both "Isabela" and "Anders" at the same time.

[ipgd]

serendipity is the only lady for me

[Ryzaki]

Hm. My characters are Fenris > Anders.

Fenris dumps Hawke and then refuses to talk about it so they move on. Though they do begin to regret their choice when they see the Chantry boom. I could only imagine my Hawkes facepalming. Fenris may have had anger issues but he didn't blow up churches. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 avril 2011 - 09:18 .

[Amondra]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Amondra wrote...

What about Nate's pants?!

I WANT IN THEM

I want his leather-studded kiss in the sand, I want his loooove
LOVE LOVE LOVE I WANT HIS LOVE

I agree with this! 

[Tasmen]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

I only got that glitch if I banged Fenris, then Isabela, then Anders, and then killed Anders at the end,
It sounds like he's saying both "Isabela" and "Anders" at the same time.

Yeah I had a Isandris sort of mix at the end of my love em and leave em PT.

[Purposeof-Flight]

Ryzaki wrote...

Hm. My characters are Fenris > Anders.

Fenris dumps then and then refuses to talk about it so they move on. Though they do begin to regret their choice when they see the Chantry boom. I could only imagine my Hawkes facepalming.

Hawke: Soooo, Fenris. I know we broke up and everything, but-
Fenris: No.
Hawke: But...he blew up a Chantry!
Fenris: I told you so.
Hawke: You ignored me for 3 years!
Fenris: I'm sorry, who are you again?
Hawke: UGH.

[nyxocity]

leggywillow wrote...

thenyxie wrote...
For me it's more like; bang Fenris, bang Isabela, then get Unf Kiss and never look back.

If you bang Fenris then Isabela, do you still get the "They all left the Champion's side except Isabela" glitch in the end?  That's the main reason why I stay away from having a fling with her now.

I don't know yet. I tried banging Fenris the first two times, but the first time I couldn't get him to like me or hate me enough, and the second... it just didn't happen, even after I had him at full friendship. I said don't go and he left anyway. This time, I've managed to succeed in my plan, so I guess I'll find out when I finish this game.

[Purposeof-Flight]

Tasmen wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

I only got that glitch if I banged Fenris, then Isabela, then Anders, and then killed Anders at the end,
It sounds like he's saying both "Isabela" and "Anders" at the same time.

Yeah I had a Isandris sort of mix at the end of my love em and leave em PT.

I was reading my guide, just listening to the prologue.
And when I heard the glitch I looked up and was like, "What is this? Varric devil speak?" LMFAO

[nekhbet]

 Moar songs for the playlist. Rivalry romance is all about Sex & Violence...

[MorningBird]

In regards family visitation privileges: I do think this is a privilege restricted to the upper class, or (more specifically) families with political/public sway, as we have examples of even noble families being unable to visit their children in the game.

The de Launcet's, for example, haven't seen Emile since he was taken to the circle (at the age of six.)

The Hawke family seems to be an exception to this rule, and not the standard, in that over the years they've gotten themselves into both the Viscount and people's good graces. Therefore, they seem to be allotted certain allowances when it comes to visiting Bethany, but even then, there are restrictions. The visits always take place in the Gallows, and the fact that Bethany frequently writes to her family indicates that these visits are infrequent.

Even then, we don't know if she's being allowed to send the letters, or if someone else (Hawke or Varric) is bribing the templars to play messanger/look the other way. Samson--after all--was kicked out of the order when they discovered he was passing letters between a mage and their sweetheart.

I may be wrong (rusty memory) but I'm certain Isolde (another influential noble of 'high importance') is allowed visitation rights to see either Connor, or the child that comes after him (if he dies.)

That being said, even if you are a mage from a noble family, there's always the risk that your family will want nothing to do with you once you're brought to the circle. Some nobles (like Isolde) are ashamed of having 'magic' in their blood.

However, it seems that if you're a mage from a peasant family... you're just flat out of luck. Anders was dragged away from his family, who were told to forget about him, or face the consequences of the law. Ella's family didn't even know what happened to her. It sounds like the templars abducted her off the street, and never bothered to find her family and inform them, "Hey, your daughter's a mage, and we brought her to the circle." They just let them assume the worst has happened. Niall's mother--though unashamed of her son--never got to see him again once he was taken to the circle.

Basically, visitation rights don't seem to be a black and white matter, and it looks like certain families can sway the chantry to allow them certain 'privileges'... provided the chantry deems it in their best interest to allow leniency when the result of denying such privileges may be public/political backlash.

Modifié par MorningBird, 13 avril 2011 - 09:24 .

[Ryzaki]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Hm. My characters are Fenris > Anders.

Fenris dumps then and then refuses to talk about it so they move on. Though they do begin to regret their choice when they see the Chantry boom. I could only imagine my Hawkes facepalming.

Hawke: Soooo, Fenris. I know we broke up and everything, but-
Fenris: No.
Hawke: But...he blew up a Chantry!
Fenris: I told you so.
Hawke: You ignored me for 3 years!
Fenris: I'm sorry, who are you again?
Hawke: UGH.

 

Poor Hawke can't catch a break. 

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

I can't really accept Fenris as an LI.
Yes, he his voice and his romance cutscenes are sexy as anything, but his personality grates on my nerves like hell.

Where is the option to scream:
STOP YELLING AT ME YOU JERK. (Seriously, why am I helping him!? Stupid broody elf and his puppy-dog eyes...)

Modifié par Dreaming-in-Shadow, 13 avril 2011 - 09:24 .