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[GailRana]

Dunizel wrote...

GailRana wrote...
My sister pointed out the other day that even Ezio (Assassin's creed) hates templars.  It made me

seriously though, don't think i would even wish tranquility on evil templars (plus can non-mages be made tranquil?)

I think so, yes. If I am not mistaken the personal assistant of Meredith wasn't a mage, right? Everyone has a connection to the Fade, I suppose you can severe it from non-mages too...

Cut off from the fade forever... what a horrible fate. Man, i'm in serious need for anders and kittens or something


*edit for top*
So... here's an anders/Ser Pounce-a-lot pict!

by TheSilverRaven

Modifié par GailRana, 14 avril 2011 - 02:06 .

[DeaHamlet]

Kawamura wrote...
What would be so bad?

I mean. I dunno. It just sounds -- tranquil. Calm.

It wouldn't work like they show it, mind, since so much of what humans are is our emotions and we have little inthe way of "rational" thought. But the idea is nice. Going through life, level, being always still on the inside.

As a person for whom most of the fun in life is due to the fact that you feel and are passionate... the lack of dreams and feeling is worse than death to me.
I don't think the calm is worth the loss of dreams and feelings.  But then again, I already stipulated that I see most of the beauty in life because of dreams and feelings... from which one draws creativity.  You cannot be really creative as tranquil. Even the major writer of DA:2 (Gaidan or somesuch?!?!) admitted as much.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Kawamura wrote...

GailRana wrote...

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Nice!? I think tranquility is quite possibly the most disturbing thing about the DA universe D:

I think forced traqnuility is wrong.

Maybe it helps that I'm almost a Buddhist? That might be why it doesn't sound all that bad? I mean, outside of forcingp people. That's bad.

Having no emotions, no desires, no dreams isn't all that bad?

I agree with Bethany's opinion. That's a fate worse than death.

I've had a lot of emotions I would rather not have. I'm also happiest when I'm fairly calm and I get more work done.

Life is suffering. Suffering comes from attatchment to things that do not last. The end of suffering is breaking those chains which cause us so much pain.

So, Tranquility sounds curious to me. And not so bad. I would get a lot more work done *laughs* Which would be nice. It just sounds interesting.

The Tranquil don't mind it, but they aren't capable of being bothered by anything.  At most, they feel "uncomfortable", like when abominations try to kill them in the Ferelden Circle.  I doubt they feel joy or love.  I often think I could do without emotional pain, anger, depression, but if that's the price for joy and love, I'll deal.  I wouldn't deny Tranquility to those that want it, and fully understand what it entials, but forcing it on someone, ugh.  I think abusive templars should be made Tranquil, as an example to the others.  Death's too good for them.  They couldn't runecraft nor enchant, but I'm sure they could catalog and sort and mop all day.  I know!  They could teach the Intro to Ethics course to new recruits.  "And this is the penalty for raping the novices." *points to forehead*

Ugh, i would rather be dead then tranquil. life isn't life withouth emotions.

Though i was thinking the other day that if an apostate mage were to brand the tranqual sign onto their forhead and pretend to be tranquil when around people, that would be apretty good disguise.

What would be so bad?

I mean. I dunno. It just sounds -- tranquil. Calm.

It wouldn't work like they show it, mind, since so much of what humans are is our emotions and we have little inthe way of "rational" thought. But the idea is nice. Going through life, level, being always still on the inside.

I think Owain described it as being dipped in cold water. Probably sleep better without all the voices in your head.

[Ashwraith]

Do you know what time it is, chill'un?
That's right. FANART SPAM TIME. : D



I just... daaaaaaamn. >////>




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Go forth, my minions, and lavish her with praise.
(I know I did.)

Modifié par Ashwraith, 14 avril 2011 - 02:07 .

[Kawamura]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Kawamura wrote...
What would be so bad?

I mean. I dunno. It just sounds -- tranquil. Calm.

It wouldn't work like they show it, mind, since so much of what humans are is our emotions and we have little inthe way of "rational" thought. But the idea is nice. Going through life, level, being always still on the inside.

As a person for whom most of the fun in life is due to the fact that you feel and are passionate... the lack of dreams and feeling is worse than death to me.
I don't think the calm is worth the loss of dreams and feelings.  But then again, I already stipulated that I see most of the beauty in life because of dreams and feelings... from which one draws creativity.  You cannot be really creative as tranquil. Even the major writer of DA:2 (Gaidan or somesuch?!?!) admitted as much.

The loss of creativity would be a problem, I admit. Science and medicine require creativity, because you can't just go through things using algorithim; you'd kill all your patients that way, you'd never stumble upon an accidental "oh, hey, why don't I try that?"

And, like I said, it doesn't really make sense that a Tranquil person would actually function without emotions. A lack of emotions seems like it wouldn't work out, based on what we're learning about people.

But the way it's described doesn't sound all that bad. I'm not really a "big on feelings" person, I guess. Extreme feelings are uncomfortable to me, even the happy ones.

[GailRana]

Ashwraith wrote...

Do you know what time it is, chill'un?
That's right. FANART SPAM TIME. : D



I just... daaaaaaamn. >////>




Aaaaaaanywho. Brought to you by thesilverraven.deviantart.com
Go forth, my minions, and lavish her with praise.
(I know I did.)

awww

that is jsut stunning. thanks for posting it! *adds to favs*

[Tasmen]

I give more arts...

  
By Mwar

A lovely author!anon on k!meme lucked out with two fills to her request.

[GailRana]

Kawamura wrote...
What would be so bad?

I mean. I dunno. It just sounds -- tranquil. Calm.

It wouldn't work like they show it, mind, since so much of what humans are is our emotions and we have little inthe way of "rational" thought. But the idea is nice. Going through life, level, being always still on the inside.

I'm trying to see it like that but i don't know if i can. it doesn't sound nice... sounds like hell. but then, i can't really separate feeling calm and peaceful from the emotions of those feelings. Tranquil sounds like... a void. Still because it's empty not still because you're at peace or fulfilled.

Modifié par GailRana, 14 avril 2011 - 02:14 .

[DeaHamlet]

Ashwraith wrote...

Do you know what time it is, chill'un?
That's right. FANART SPAM TIME. : D



I just... daaaaaaamn. >////>

Aaaaaaanywho. Brought to you, once again, by thesilverraven.deviantart.com
Go forth, my minions, and lavish her with praise.
(I know I did.)

Oh, is it warm in here?  No?  Just me then?
:wub::wub:

[GailRana]

Tasmen wrote...

I give more arts...

  
By Mwar

A lovely author!anon on k!meme lucked out with two fills to her request.

also pretty. It's kind of weird seeing hawke so soft looking! I kind of love it 

[Ryzaki]

I don't know. Orian didn't seem like he was like Karl. He was calm, I don't think he was forced. and he wasn't in Kirkwall. 

That probably influences your perspective on it. (it being made tranquil I mean).

The willingness probably plays a big factor.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 avril 2011 - 02:16 .

[thebrute7]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Ashwraith wrote...

Do you know what time it is, chill'un?
That's right. FANART SPAM TIME. : D



I just... daaaaaaamn. >////>

Aaaaaaanywho. Brought to you, once again, by thesilverraven.deviantart.com
Go forth, my minions, and lavish her with praise.
(I know I did.)

Oh, is it warm in here?  No?  Just me then?
:wub::wub:

I secdond this,  It's not just you.

[DeaHamlet]

Also, that looks like Justice's armor not Anders'!!!! *swoon*
Remember the comic where Hawke is kissing Justice in the fade? And the clothes vanish?
Anders, you sexy beast, what do you do to me!

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

GailRana wrote...

Kawamura wrote...
What would be so bad?

I mean. I dunno. It just sounds -- tranquil. Calm.

It wouldn't work like they show it, mind, since so much of what humans are is our emotions and we have little inthe way of "rational" thought. But the idea is nice. Going through life, level, being always still on the inside.

I'm trying to see it like that but i don't know if i can. it doesn't sound nice... sounds like hell. but then, i can't really separate feeling calm and peaceful from the emotions of those feelings. Tranquil sounds like... a void. Still because it's empty not still because you're at peace or fulfilled.

It is that clarity in a Tranquil's mind that allows them to use lyrium, thus funding the Circles.

[Ashwraith]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Also, that looks like Justice's armor not Anders'!!!! *swoon*

That's because it is Justice.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Ryzaki wrote...

I don't know. Orian didn't seem like he was like Karl. He was calm, I don't think he was forced. and he wasn't in Kirkwall. 

That probably influences your perspective on it. (it being made tranquil I mean).

The willingness probably plays a big factor.  

Owain did indeed choose his state. He tells you he preferred it to going through his Harrowing. It is something that shouldn't be forced. Only an available option to those who would volunteer their emotions for a life without them.

If you try to call him less of a human he is quick to correct you. Stating that he just merely thinks in a different capacity, as do all beings that makes him no less human than you compared to anyone else.

Modifié par MelfinaofOutlawStar, 14 avril 2011 - 02:22 .

[GailRana]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

GailRana wrote...

Kawamura wrote...
What would be so bad?

I mean. I dunno. It just sounds -- tranquil. Calm.

It wouldn't work like they show it, mind, since so much of what humans are is our emotions and we have little inthe way of "rational" thought. But the idea is nice. Going through life, level, being always still on the inside.

I'm trying to see it like that but i don't know if i can. it doesn't sound nice... sounds like hell. but then, i can't really separate feeling calm and peaceful from the emotions of those feelings. Tranquil sounds like... a void. Still because it's empty not still because you're at peace or fulfilled.

It is that clarity in a Tranquil's mind that allows them to use lyrium, thus funding the Circles.

so stopping the Rite of Tranquility would also get rid of the circles *win/win*

[meonlyred]

Ashwraith wrote...

Do you know what time it is, chill'un?
That's right. FANART SPAM TIME. : D



I just... daaaaaaamn. >////>




Aaaaaaanywho. Brought to you, once again, by thesilverraven.deviantart.com
Go forth, my minions, and lavish her with praise.
(I know I did.)

This just makes me miss the Arcane Warrior Specialization. Anders in plate armor... 

[Poetics124]

Kawamura wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...

Kawamura wrote...
What would be so bad?

I mean. I dunno. It just sounds -- tranquil. Calm.

It wouldn't work like they show it, mind, since so much of what humans are is our emotions and we have little inthe way of "rational" thought. But the idea is nice. Going through life, level, being always still on the inside.

As a person for whom most of the fun in life is due to the fact that you feel and are passionate... the lack of dreams and feeling is worse than death to me.
I don't think the calm is worth the loss of dreams and feelings.  But then again, I already stipulated that I see most of the beauty in life because of dreams and feelings... from which one draws creativity.  You cannot be really creative as tranquil. Even the major writer of DA:2 (Gaidan or somesuch?!?!) admitted as much.

The loss of creativity would be a problem, I admit. Science and medicine require creativity, because you can't just go through things using algorithim; you'd kill all your patients that way, you'd never stumble upon an accidental "oh, hey, why don't I try that?"

And, like I said, it doesn't really make sense that a Tranquil person would actually function without emotions. A lack of emotions seems like it wouldn't work out, based on what we're learning about people.

But the way it's described doesn't sound all that bad. I'm not really a "big on feelings" person, I guess. Extreme feelings are uncomfortable to me, even the happy ones.

I don't know.  I don't really like big emotions either but in a way they let me know I'm alive.

 I think it's interesting that the only person that we've seen come back from being tranquil, if only for a little while, was Karl.  And in his one moment of experiencing emotions again and being back to himself, he wished to die rather to be returned to that state.  That he had exprienced being tranquil and confirmed that it is not a very good existence.  In my mind, I think of being tranquil as being given a lobotomy, except the patient is more able to function in some way.

[DeaHamlet]

Ashwraith wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...

Also, that looks like Justice's armor not Anders'!!!! *swoon*

That's because it is Justice.

Well Justice was in a corpse last I saw just him so... that looks to me like Anders in Justice's armor.  Or Anders/Vengeance in the Fade with Justice's armor.

Whatever, what matters is that it's HOT as all getup and I'm now very warm and good thing nobody is home to see how red my cheeks are!

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

We should note Karl was not a willing subject.

Modifié par MelfinaofOutlawStar, 14 avril 2011 - 02:24 .

[DeaHamlet]

There's a couple of tranquil mages you can see in the gallows. No idea if you can talk to them but at least one of them says stuff once in a while. I just can't remember what!

[YamiSnuffles]

DeaHamlet wrote...
 Except naughty people have suggested the warrior/Anders as super sexy so I might do that.

Doooooooooo it.

[sassperella]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

sassperella wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...



The Circles are necessary, even past the Harrowing the threat of demons and blood magic is ever present. I do think allowing them to have a bit of fun every now and then won't hurt them though. Like a visit home for good behavior. You can't get rid of the dangers that come with being a mage but you can make their lives in the tower easier while still keeping your pimp hand strong.

sorry pages back...

This sentiment just goes to show how the 'mages shouldn't be treated as people' rubs off from the game.

Yes they need a certain amount of policing, but dammit mages are human beings, they may have a talent, a dangerous one at that but treating them like naughty children or less than human is not the way to go.

Why should they only get to see their family for good behaviour? Why should the chantry preach they're evil and breed fear into the populous? Why shouldn't they be allowed basic human rights?
Police mages by all means, they can be dangerous but the circles as they stand are wrong and what you have written is barely even a step up from that.

Because in their reality to underestimate a mage is a luxury you cannot afford.

No one said anything about underestimating, but oppress mages and you make them more dangerous in my book. I have never argued that mages need policing, but I would never condone them being treated as subhuman because they were born with magic. As I said before they are human beings with human needs denying them that is an abomination in itself.

[GailRana]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

We should note Karl was not a willing subject.

interesting... we should take anders and have him go all vengeance infront of Owain. for science!