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[sassperella]

ipgd wrote...

oh boy here comes the ****** fest

I think we can safely say she didn't mean it like that and end this ****** before it starts.

I'm with you, lets stop this now before it devolves and becomes just like the other threads on the forum. Not to mention this could get the thread closed.

edit for ToP

because this can't be shown enough.



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Modifié par sassperella, 14 avril 2011 - 03:04 .

[GailRana]

ipgd wrote...

oh boy here comes the ****** fest

I think we can safely say she didn't mean it like that and end this ****** before it starts.

indeed, she edited it to clarify which was apreciated.

quick Meredanders! Save us from the serious internets with your fabulousness

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

I just think the thought could have been articulated better.

[Poetics124]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Poetics124 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Poetics124 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

We should note Karl was not a willing subject.

Karl was not a willing subject but at the same time I think he gives a perspective of what being tranquil is like and why it should be undertaken lightly, even if one does want it. 

Because not everyone enjoys the anxiety that comes from uncertainty. There are people who like to be led, to have a clear understanding and path to follow. Owain seems to appreciate this in his own capacity where he saw himself chaotic before. What works for one does not work for all of course.

But I'm sure if you asked Karl in the same state he would have said the same thing.  He, in fact, said it to Anders before Justice came back and gave him a part of the fade.  Traquils are made to be tranquil with whatever treatment they recieve.   The tranquil that was sexually abused by Alrik was not disturbed by her treatment and agreed with it.  If she had a piece of the fade again, I don't think she would be so ok with that.

They'll follow rules and that includes who they're told to follow. There's at least one that says they answer to Cullen so Alrik had to have circumvented the system somehow. And that's a problem with upper management in the end. If you're talking about the normal tasks that are expected of a Tranquil there is no problem.

But as a templar, Alrik had power over them and they are ultimately inclined to follow what he says. 

Yes, normal tasks are ok  in terms of what tranquils are doing, but in the hands of an abusive or hateful templar they are victims without voices or the capabilities to express being wronged.  One of the problems I have with the system in which mages are a part of (and I believe the majority of templars wish to do and do the right thing) is that in any system where someone is devalued then they become vunerable to abuses of power.  As Anders said, he was lucky that he escaped the rapes and other humiliation that other mages faced at the hands of templars.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

I think you guys need to calm down. No ones closing the topic and no one is getting excited.

[Ryzaki]

What I wonder is just how much ability does a tranquil have to make their own decisions? Do they feel a compulsion to obey or is it something that is taught?

[sassperella]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

I think you guys need to calm down. No ones closing the topic and no one is getting excited.

I just meant this argument is getting questionable and if it carries on in this manner someone may report it and it may get closed.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Ryzaki wrote...

What I wonder is just how much ability does a tranquil have to make their own decisions? Do they feel a compulsion to obey or is it something that is taught?

It seems they have some idea of self preservation. Owain says he prefers not being dead so he avoids the abomniations in the tower, by cleaning...

Hey, no one is perfect.

[ipgd]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

I think you guys need to calm down. No ones closing the topic and no one is getting excited.

Which is why this conversation needs to end before it turns into a ****fest.



SO ABOUT THAT ANDERS FELLOW GEE ISN'T HE SWELL

[Jean]

Ryzaki wrote...

What I wonder is just how much ability does a tranquil have to make their own decisions? Do they feel a compulsion to obey or is it something that is taught?

I believe Word of God explained this pretty well in another thread. I can try to find it...

But one of the things he said is that a tranquil mage is free to leave the circle if they wished; they choose not too because that is the least crappy option they have.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/304/index/7058889&lf=8

This isn't the thread I was talking about but he does answer some things.

Modifié par Batteries, 14 avril 2011 - 03:10 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

sassperella wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

I think you guys need to calm down. No ones closing the topic and no one is getting excited.

I just meant this argument is getting questionable and if it carries on in this manner someone may report it and it may get closed.

From what I've seen they usually don't unless people start being ugly to one another and being rational adults are pretty safe as far as that's concerned.

[Frishmet]

Ryzaki wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Ignoring an optional ending is childish? What kind of logic is that? 

To me ignoring any aspect of a universe/story/character is childish because...it's there. It's the potential of a character, it's the potential of a story. Those things matter to me, even if it makes me dislike a character I loved or appreciate a character I was hellbent on despising (like Anora).

That doesn't make something childish. At all. It's potential but ignoring potential (espcecially when due to the very nature of games itself may be impossible/make no sense in your version of the universe) doesn't indictate maturity. It's there but it dosn't have to impact your game. Trying to mold other people's playstyles to fit your view to me is far more immature. (Not saying you're doing this). Trying to say "oh you shouldn't like the ending for that!" is immature to me. Who are you to tell someone why they should or shouldn't like something? Regardless of how you see it. I don't tell you why you should like the ending. Why should you do the reverse? 

I understand it mattering to you. And frankly I do know some people like that. But that's not really a sign of maturity. Just interest in different paths and alternate views. And trying to say someone's toy should look a certain way because you'll look at it to me isn't maturity. 

And at the end of the day this story has alternate stories depending on what you do. Everything doesn't blend together. Rival Anders is a different person than Friendship Anders. 

Edit: Looking back on this post and I'm being very b*****. It's not you Surely. I'm being sick and tired of feeling like my preferred ending shouldn't exist here. Sick and tired. I don't mind people ripping it apart with it doesn't make sense. But the It shouldn't exist thing just pushes my berserk button. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to snarl at anyone even if it came off that way. 

(bolding is mine - I really agree with that statement)  Sorry for bringing this forward after so many pages but It's so hard to keep up! lol

In my mind,  knowing that someone has a potential for something is not the same as them actually ending up that way.  Experiences shape the person, especially if they are the extreme experiences that Hawke and co. go through during the events of the game. Knowing what "may" happen if a character takes a different route doesn't bother me because the different experiences do have an influence and possibly even cause major changes in the psyche of someone who is troubled. 

Just look at DAO and how different an ending is possible for Alistair depending on certain events... he could be King, a warden, or a drunk.  Does knowing he could potentially be a drunk make me think less of the King?  I guess for some it does but, honestly if he took a different path he ends up a different person - in my mind at least.  I think of how my own life would be different if certain key elements didn't happen as they did. And those things were pretty mild compared to what the writers to do these poor folks.

And regarding Anora (to go off on that tangent), I may be one of the few who actually liked her. lol  I thought she was a strong and savvy politician.  I actually was pretty irked at Eamon when he was talking about how she got her way by batting her eyelashes.  Sexist much? 

[Poetics124]

Ryzaki wrote...

What I wonder is just how much ability does a tranquil have to make their own decisions? Do they feel a compulsion to obey or is it something that is taught?

I think it's a mixture of things.  I think Gaider pointed out that tranquils can leave the Circles of their own discretion but often choose not to because they have no place to go and no one to really take care of them.  The circle is the only place they know so they stay and follow the rules of the circle because it makes sense and there is a place for them.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

ipgd wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

I think you guys need to calm down. No ones closing the topic and no one is getting excited.

Which is why this conversation needs to end before it turns into a ****fest.



SO ABOUT THAT ANDERS FELLOW GEE ISN'T HE SWELL

Glad we have you policing the boards.

[CatOfEvilGenius]

@Melina
@Ryzaki

I certainly could have worded my post more clearly, and really should have thought of the strong reactions it might provoke before posting. For that I do sincerely apologize. An apology for the very misleading misquote on your part would have been nice.

As for the comparison of real world conditions that make it difficult for the affected to understand other's emotions, I think that was a completely reasonable comparison. As I also said in the original post, I do not consider real world conditions to be the same as Tranquility. There's just some parallels is all.

Since this is heading towards people being upset rather than towards an interesting discussion, I'll bow out.

[SurelyForth]

I'll be honest- this tranquility argument IS report bait and it's report bait that is tangential at best to the topic. If you really want to continue the discussion, I would suggest starting a new thread (you might even pull a writer in that way).

Modifié par SurelyForth, 14 avril 2011 - 03:12 .

[Tasmen]

ipgd wrote...


SO ABOUT THAT ANDERS FELLOW GEE ISN'T HE SWELL

Mmmhmmm... especially when he's making out with Meredanders.

[LT123]

I support the alternate universes idea. It's the only way I can manage it without my brain hurting.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Poetics124 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

What I wonder is just how much ability does a tranquil have to make their own decisions? Do they feel a compulsion to obey or is it something that is taught?

I think it's a mixture of things.  I think Gaider pointed out that tranquils can leave the Circles of their own discretion but often choose not to because they have no place to go and no one to really take care of them.  The circle is the only place they know so they stay and follow the rules of the circle because it makes sense and there is a place for them.

Yes, technically ANDERS they're no longer a danger to anyone. They can no longer become ANDERS abominations or used by demons so they can wander aimlessly. Not really a life though if you're a follower. ANDERS

Modifié par MelfinaofOutlawStar, 14 avril 2011 - 03:12 .

[Poetics124]

Well, back to Anders.

Can I just say (and others have commented on it) that he looks really good in black? Like...really good in black. I actually think this is one of the reason why I spared him from murder knife. lol

[ipgd]

Tasmen wrote...

ipgd wrote...


SO ABOUT THAT ANDERS FELLOW GEE ISN'T HE SWELL

Mmmhmmm... especially when he's making out with Meredanders.

Anders is never not making out with Meredanders. Their faces have grafted together.

[Dunizel]

Batteries wrote...

Dunizel wrote...

meonlyred wrote...

This just makes me miss the Arcane Warrior Specialization. Anders in plate armor... 

I'm not sure DA2 Anders can wear it anymore. The man needs to eat more 

Why in the name of the Maker would he need to train with a sword?

Would "because you look soooo cool" be a viable answer? He really looked badass, he could have a shining sword too 

[Ryzaki]

Frishmet wrote...


I(bolding is mine - I really agree with that statement)  Sorry for bringing this forward after so many pages but It's so hard to keep up! lol

In my mind,  knowing that someone has a potential for something is not the same as them actually ending up that way.  Experiences shape the person, especially if they are the extreme experiences that Hawke and co. go through during the events of the game. Knowing what "may" happen if a character takes a different route doesn't bother me because the different experiences do have an influence and possibly even cause major changes in the psyche of someone who is troubled. 

Just look at DAO and how different an ending is possible for Alistair depending on certain events... he could be King, a warden, or a drunk.  Does knowing he could potentially be a drunk make me think less of the King?  I guess for some it does but, honestly if he took a different path he ends up a different person - in my mind at least.  I think of how my own life would be different if certain key elements didn't happen as they did. And those things were pretty mild compared to what the writers to do these poor folks.

And regarding Anora (to go off on that tangent), I may be one of the few who actually liked her. lol  I thought she was a strong and savvy politician.  I actually was pretty irked at Eamon when he was talking about how she got her way by batting her eyelashes.  Sexist much? 

 

Agreed about the experiences making you a different person. 

I'm reminded of Izzy's quote in response to Anders asking would she undo her mistakes. "Our mistakes make us who we are." 
I'd probably like Anora more if I didn't expect her of stabbing my back with Cauterine.  How else did she know I was there before most of Howe's guards? 

[Frishmet]

ekurian wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

...

WHY YOU DO THIS?!

*sobs*

You know I actually thought this is what was going to happen to Anders at the end. Especially after he tells you that his biggest fear is to end up tranquil. I was freaking out over this possibility for much of the last act. If this had happened, my hawk probably would have bombed the chantry herself.

[GailRana]

Poetics124 wrote...

Well, back to Anders.

Can I just say (and others have commented on it) that he looks really good in black? Like...really good in black. I actually think this is one of the reason why I spared him from murder knife. lol

indeed. my brain's been working on a way to make that outfit. Now i just need monies and a boy to wear it and i'll be set :up: