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[Ninche]

I definitely agree that mages ARE dangerous and should be provided with training and guidance and protection - for themselves and the public.You are all right - they should be allowed to marry and keep their children and the Circle should be more of a boarding school than a prison. Mainly what needs to be removed is the social stigma. I know the Chantry is scared that if noblemen's children are allowed to retain their titles AND be trained as mages that will lead to another Emperium but I disagree. It's not like the Tevinter were born overnight - it took centuries of social conditioning and historical events for it to become what it is today. Also the whle Black divine and White divine systems seem to be most widely spread and really old ones - it definitely doesn't mean tey are the only two options. Unfortunately to this Gaider says somethin like :For now these are the only two options you are presented with. If something else will get thrown on the table remains to be seen.

Sorry for the boring tone, it's all the bloody academic crap I've been reading.

DG also called me (indirectly) an elitist for disliking Tiwlight =( *expects pity*


Edit: Eeek boring top page will add picture in a moment

Modifié par Ninche, 14 avril 2011 - 08:26 .

[Amondra]

sassperella wrote...

ipgd wrote...

We just need to get a breeding program going so everyone is mages

There's always Sandal's prophecy 

His prophecy?

[Kawamura]

ipgd wrote...

We just need to get a breeding program going so everyone is mages

That was Anders' first attempt at the Great Mage Revolution. Justice didn't really like it, though, so they had to move to Version 2 : writing creepy, emotional and bad arguments.

[phantomdragoness]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

sassperella wrote...

While this is true, I think a lot of people who are anti circle still believe that mages should be policed. I've not seen any posts suggesting mages be allowed run rampant. The thing is there's a fine line between protecting society from the dangers of mages and abusing mages. There needs to be some sort of middle ground, where mages are treated like people, allowed to have lives and loves but still have some sort of supervision. Taking away any group's rights completely is oppression and will lead to rebellion no matter how justified the oppressors feel.

cough... I'll shut up now 

Oh, I totally agree.  As a player, I think mages do need oversight.  If a group of people like that existed IRL, you bet your ass the goverment would have them registered and monitored.  I'm just saying that the system as it stands in Thedas can end very, very badly, at which point trying to justify it as protecting people is kind of failsauce.  Kirkwall being the prime example of the potential trouble with the extant Circle structure under Chantry law.

Doesn't change the fact that my character is a nutjob revolutionary, and her views are starting to influence mine.  It's a bit creepy, really.

It's the way they're watched that causes my dislike - and being locked up at a tender age to never see your family again is not the way to go. The system is terribly flawed, but I do agree that mages are dangerous and need proper training and scrutiny. The Circle just needs to be like Hogwarts IMO. XD

[Ninche]

phantomdragoness wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

sassperella wrote...

While this is true, I think a lot of people who are anti circle still believe that mages should be policed. I've not seen any posts suggesting mages be allowed run rampant. The thing is there's a fine line between protecting society from the dangers of mages and abusing mages. There needs to be some sort of middle ground, where mages are treated like people, allowed to have lives and loves but still have some sort of supervision. Taking away any group's rights completely is oppression and will lead to rebellion no matter how justified the oppressors feel.

cough... I'll shut up now 

Oh, I totally agree.  As a player, I think mages do need oversight.  If a group of people like that existed IRL, you bet your ass the goverment would have them registered and monitored.  I'm just saying that the system as it stands in Thedas can end very, very badly, at which point trying to justify it as protecting people is kind of failsauce.  Kirkwall being the prime example of the potential trouble with the extant Circle structure under Chantry law.

Doesn't change the fact that my character is a nutjob revolutionary, and her views are starting to influence mine.  It's a bit creepy, really.

It's the way they're watched that causes my dislike - and being locked up at a tender age to never see your family again is not the way to go. The system is terribly flawed, but I do agree that mages are dangerous and need proper training and scrutiny. The Circle just needs to be like Hogwarts IMO. XD

With Dumbledore as first enchanter and Filch as knight commander  

[ipgd]

Ninche wrote...

DG also called me (indirectly) an elitist for disliking Tiwlight =( *expects pity*

I think he's speaking more towards the people who hate it without having ever read it or get worked up into a frenzy over the suggestion that it did anything that wasn't the worst thing to ever grace literature, and then make threads using his quotes about Twilight as evidence that he loves it and DA2 was based on Twilight and that's why it was the worst game ever

[sassperella]

Ninche wrote...

I definitely agree that mages ARE dangerous and should be provided with training and guidance and protection - for themselves and the public.You are all right - they should be allowed to marry and keep their children and the Circle should be more of a boarding school than a prison. Mainly what needs to be removed is the social stigma. I know the Chantry is scared that if noblemen's children are allowed to retain their titles AND be trained as mages that will lead to another Emperium but I disagree. It's not like the Tevinter were born overnight - it took centuries of social conditioning and historical events for it to become what it is today. Also the whle Black divine and White divine systems seem to be most widely spread and really old ones - it definitely doesn't mean tey are the only two options. Unfortunately to this Gaider says somethin like :For now these are the only two options you are presented with. If something else will get thrown on the table remains to be seen.

Sorry for the boring tone, it's all the bloody academic crap I've been reading.

DG also called me (indirectly) an elitist for disliking Tiwlight =( *expects pity*


Edit: Eeek boring top page will add picture in a moment

I think the problem I see with the chantry is that the core religion of Thedas says that mages are bad, evil monsters that are cursed and the source of the blights and darkspawn. Mages can't fight that. The chantry has so much power, how do you try and negotiate with a group that think you are evil monsters and don't think you deserve any rights in the first place?

[sassperella]

Amondra wrote...

sassperella wrote...

ipgd wrote...

We just need to get a breeding program going so everyone is mages

There's always Sandal's prophecy 

His prophecy?

If you keep clicking on him in your house he very very occasionally says something weird and full of foreshadowing. Can't remember exactly what it is but if you look up sandal's prophecy on youtube it should be there



there ya go sorry not sure how to post a link

Modifié par sassperella, 14 avril 2011 - 08:31 .

[eleridragon]

Ninche wrote...

With Dumbledore as first enchanter and Filch as knight commander  

Now has horribly disturbing mental image of Greagoir as Filch, and I like Greagoir, dammit

[mellifera]

ipgd wrote...

We just need to get a breeding program going so everyone is mages

I'm a mage, you're a mage. Wanna ****?

[ipgd]

yukidama wrote...

ipgd wrote...

We just need to get a breeding program going so everyone is mages

I'm a mage, you're a mage. Wanna ****?

I thought we were already ****ing.

Why is there something in your signature that isn't rainbows?

[mellifera]

ipgd wrote...

yukidama wrote...

ipgd wrote...

We just need to get a breeding program going so everyone is mages

I'm a mage, you're a mage. Wanna ****?

I thought we were already ****ing.

Why is there something in your signature that isn't rainbows?

I want you to carry my magical ass babies though

My non-rainbow side is excited for playoff season. It's a cruel joke, but I must suffer through it.

[Amondra]

sassperella wrote...

Amondra wrote...

sassperella wrote...

ipgd wrote...

We just need to get a breeding program going so everyone is mages

There's always Sandal's prophecy 

His prophecy?

If you keep clicking on him in your house he very very occasionally says something weird and full of foreshadowing. Can't remember exactly what it is but if you look up sandal's prophecy on youtube it should be there



there ya go sorry not sure how to post a link

Thank you so much!
Edit: Also I swear the old lady he see's is Flemeth....

Modifié par Amondra, 14 avril 2011 - 08:38 .

[ipgd]

yukidama wrote...

I want you to carry my magical ass babies though

My non-rainbow side is excited for playoff season. It's a cruel joke, but I must suffer through it.

As long as you commission me maternity armor



all right everyone stop posting while i go to bed, thanks

[sassperella]

ipgd wrote...

yukidama wrote...

I want you to carry my magical ass babies though

My non-rainbow side is excited for playoff season. It's a cruel joke, but I must suffer through it.

As long as you commission me maternity armor



all right everyone stop posting while i go to bed, thanks

No cos you all post when I'm asleep   30 pages this morning.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ninche wrote...

DG also called me (indirectly) an elitist for disliking Tiwlight =( *expects pity*

Not necessarily pity, but if it makes you feel better, he yelled at me a couple months when I pointed out how often BioWare uses the dead ex/estranged child thing.  We talked it over in the thread, I think he understood what I was saying and backed off.  Still, it was funny 

And no, Twilight is not the worst thing I've read.  That dubious distinction goes to The Legend of Ra and the Muggles if we're talking published, and the Tsujatha romance mod for Baldur's Gate 2 if we're talking unpublished.  Or any number of fanfictions that I stumbled across in my days as a fandom mod for Harry Potter.

[obnoxiousgas]

"Qunari give me the creeps. No one is that dedicated to some abstract ideal." (10:39)

Dohoho, I see what you did there, Ms. Hepler.

Also, I'm basically pro-Circle autonomy, but it's one of those subjects where I have a lot of thoughts and not really enough of them are coherent. I understand that mages are dangerous, but I don't believe that being dangerous is sufficient grounds to restrict them of their rights. On the other hand, the Circle as a means to teach younger mages how to control their magic and protect themselves is a good thing - it just becomes less so with the whole CONSTANT  VIGILANCE  thing and taking away the rights of mages to try and function as normal human (and elven) beings. It's kind of reached the point of a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Chantry perpetuates the idea of mages being demons waiting to happen, everyone else responds in kind, mages have fewer and fewer rights and the prospect of having the power to fight back by any means necessary becomes more and more appealing, then blood magic, blood magic everywhere.

But then you have to consider whether there is something to Fenris' "mages will make themselves magisters also I am handsome and brooding" schtick, because it is demonstrative of how the power mages possess can make them effectively unstoppable forces because they use that really annoying barrier where you can't attack them at all whilst they summon a bunch of mooks for you to fight and only dispel magic will stop it. I don't think it's an inevitability - it only happened again in Tevinter because Tevinter didn't know how to work otherwise - its foundation was based upon slavery and mage dominance, and it was much easier for it to fall back into its old ways. In the rest of Thedas, I think if the newly freed mages seemed to be getting too big for their boots they'd be killed outright.

Alternatively:  DA3; everyone becomes a mage, mass hysteria followed by an orgy. Problem solved.

[Ninche]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Ninche wrote...

DG also called me (indirectly) an elitist for disliking Tiwlight =( *expects pity*

Not necessarily pity, but if it makes you feel better, he yelled at me a couple months when I pointed out how often BioWare uses the dead ex/estranged child thing.  We talked it over in the thread, I think he understood what I was saying and backed off.  Still, it was funny 

And no, Twilight is not the worst thing I've read.  That dubious distinction goes to The Legend of Ra and the Muggles if we're talking published, and the Tsujatha romance mod for Baldur's Gate 2 if we're talking unpublished.  Or any number of fanfictions that I stumbled across in my days as a fandom mod for Harry Potter.

Haha that does actually make me feel better. Thanks. I mean even the fact that so many people dislike Twilight with a passion is a compliment of sorts. It suggests an emotional involvement which is 1000 times better than apathy. 

And reading through so much Harry Potter fics must have been... entertaining. At least you get a decent amount of variety I suppose. 

[Ninche]

Alternatively:  DA3; everyone becomes a mage, mass hysteria followed by an orgy. Problem solved.

I like you. 

[Miri1984]

I read Twilight before I bagged it. And what's wrong with being called Elitist any way? I thought the definition of elitist was equivalent to "better than everyone else".

I'd like it if people accused me of being better than them. As Mal Reynolds says:

Badger: You think you're better than other people!
Mal: Just the ones I'm better than.

[Amondra]

Miri1984 wrote...

I read Twilight before I bagged it. And what's wrong with being called Elitist any way? I thought the definition of elitist was equivalent to "better than everyone else".

I'd like it if people accused me of being better than them. As Mal Reynolds says:

Badger: You think you're better than other people!
Mal: Just the ones I'm better than.

You quoted Mal Reynolds! I love you forever!

[Miri1984]

*basks in the love*

*blushes*

[Sable Rhapsody]

Miri1984 wrote...

I read Twilight before I bagged it. And what's wrong with being called Elitist any way? I thought the definition of elitist was equivalent to "better than everyone else".

I'd like it if people accused me of being better than them. As Mal Reynolds says:

Badger: You think you're better than other people!
Mal: Just the ones I'm better than.

Yeah, I read the first two books one summer when I was working at Barnes and Noble and literally had nothing better to do behind the register.

Also, I know leggywillow thinks of this too, but does anyone else think of Mal Reynolds when they think of Malcolm Hawke?  Daddy Hawke is TOTALLY badass apostate cowboy Nathan Filliion in my mind.

[Amondra]

 By all that is good in this world!!! This is hotter then the sun!!

[Amondra]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

I read Twilight before I bagged it. And what's wrong with being called Elitist any way? I thought the definition of elitist was equivalent to "better than everyone else".

I'd like it if people accused me of being better than them. As Mal Reynolds says:

Badger: You think you're better than other people!
Mal: Just the ones I'm better than.

Yeah, I read the first two books one summer when I was working at Barnes and Noble and literally had nothing better to do behind the register.

Also, I know leggywillow thinks of this too, but does anyone else think of Mal Reynolds when they think of Malcolm Hawke?  Daddy Hawke is TOTALLY badass apostate cowboy Nathan Filliion in my mind.

OMG YES!!! Now I am sad he is dead *cries in a corner*