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[Sable Rhapsody]

thenyxie wrote...

I always feel so sad for him when he thanks my Hawke, I'm like, dude, don't thank me for loving you and supporting you. This is not a favor I'm doing for you, don't you know that? But I hadn't given too much thought to how difficult it must be at times, because on the friendship path he seems to be holding it together fairly well in the scenes that we see after he almost kills the girl. But all those years in between then and blowing up the Chantry probably weren't all good times.

Well, his codex entry certainly doesn't seem like a walk in the park.  And with that, I bring you shameless self-promotion of fanfiction, complete with angst and some bonus Anders wall-sex.

Atlas, Chapter 1

[shiba5]

SurelyForth wrote...

Because of the Tower and because he was on the run outside of the Tower, I'm saying he was mostly in for no-strings-attached fun. I think that, after Justice, he's resigned to being alone and, when Hawke stumbles along and isn't repulsed by his situation, he just latches on immediately and he gets caught up in her and...I guess maybe applies his feelings retroactively? Like he feels an intense connection now and assumes that she would have been someone he could be with before, despite his adorable **** ways. 

I honestly think he was warning off female Hawke because it's something that women are supposed to find attractive? The whole "I'll only hurt you!" echoes Twilight too closely for me, and seems weird coming from him so early in their (non) relationship.

I just took, "I'll hurt you." as a giant Bioware red flad waving in my face telling me to stay away unless I wanted my emotions manipulated later in the game. So, of course, I dove in head first.
It's like the plate the waiter sets down in front of you that's, "Super HOT, don't touch!"

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

I just picture Justice closing the shades behind Ander's eyes and turning up the stereo real loud when Hawke starts undressing.

[nyxocity]

Ryzaki wrote...

thenyxie wrote..

That's a good point, Isabela doesn't seem to bother him like the others. But I think he's too hung up on Hawke.

However, I hope like HELL Hawke and Justice hate banged at least a few times *G*

Most likely. 

See I'm not getting any pleasant images from that. It's all real nasty and has Justice ripping off Hawke's nipples with his teeth before eating them.   Let's not even mention Hawke's other parts. 

*LOL* Thanks for that image. Truly.

Yeah, I meant without the cannibilism, preferably. Just really angry "I hate you so much" sex where everybody's parts stay attached.

[Threeparts]

SurelyForth wrote...

I honestly think he was warning off female Hawke because it's something that women are supposed to find attractive? The whole "I'll only hurt you!" echoes Twilight too closely for me, and seems weird coming from him so early in their (non) relationship.

Oh, yes, that just threw me off. I get the whole Dangerous Men Are Attractive idea, but pulling it out after a cheesy flirt line when you've known the woman for all of a day or two seemed like poor pacing.
Having things be more easy-going with a more subtle take (show, don't tell!) on his instability for the first Act would have been better. Save the big, "you know I'm crazy and potentially dangerous and you're still sure you want to go through with this?" speeches for Act II when he's actually gotten to know what she's like and what she's looking for.

[Miri1984]

@ipgd I honestly think it is. Deliberately ironic. DG has waxed lyrical about how romantic Twilight is a couple of times.

Also, the whole "I'll only hurt you" trope was actually GREAT before Twilight came along. Dangerous men ARE the object of a lot of women's fantasies. Doesn't mean we actually want to marry them, but having dangerous men (and BOTH of the male LIs are dangerous, far more so than the female ones, despite Merrill's blood magic) as pixelated LIs makes a lot of sense, money wise.

My personal favourites are dangerous men and cold men. Androids and bad boys. Which is totally understandable considering I married the least dangerous, most emotionally comfortable man I've ever met. I DON'T want to romance my husband in a video game...

ETA And Anders can't get hung up on Isabela, since he's banged her too!

Modifié par Miri1984, 14 avril 2011 - 10:29 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

shiba5 wrote...

I just took, "I'll hurt you." as a giant Bioware red flad waving in my face telling me to stay away unless I wanted my emotions manipulated later in the game. So, of course, I dove in head first.
It's like the plate the waiter sets down in front of you that's, "Super HOT, don't touch!"

Yeah, that's how I took it.  Same as Morrigan with her "I hate love" thing and Wynne's warning about Alistair.  And I too plunged in head first because I'm crazy like that.

[nyxocity]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

I always feel so sad for him when he thanks my Hawke, I'm like, dude, don't thank me for loving you and supporting you. This is not a favor I'm doing for you, don't you know that? But I hadn't given too much thought to how difficult it must be at times, because on the friendship path he seems to be holding it together fairly well in the scenes that we see after he almost kills the girl. But all those years in between then and blowing up the Chantry probably weren't all good times.

Well, his codex entry certainly doesn't seem like a walk in the park.  And with that, I bring you shameless self-promotion of fanfiction, complete with angst and some bonus Anders wall-sex.

Atlas, Chapter 1

Thanks for the link! Alas, I have to leave now, because this thread has made me stay way past time and I'm going to miss dinner at this rate.

[nyxocity]

Bye thread. See you in another 30-50 pages.

[Ryzaki]

SurelyForth wrote...
Someone with saves loaded all over the place and an insatiable curiosity about content she's never seen. Also, something something something...for science!

There are somethings I can't do for science. Dumping Merrill and Dumping Anders are two of them. (well dumping them right after sleeping with them at least). 

And I can never max out Varric's rivalry. That needs a guide. 

Edit: So now this post shows up. Grand. >_> I

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 avril 2011 - 10:33 .

[Ryzaki]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

I just picture Justice closing the shades behind Ander's eyes and turning up the stereo real loud when Hawke starts undressing.

Pssh. 

Justice wants some of that Hawke. 

[Jean]

Ryzaki wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...
Someone with saves loaded all over the place and an insatiable curiosity about content she's never seen. Also, something something something...for science!

There are somethings I can't do for science. Dumping Merrill and Dumping Anders are two of them. 

I dumped Anders once for science. After he slept with Hawke, I mean.

I didn't know whether to laugh or cry or both. But I still felt bad after it.

Modifié par Batteries, 14 avril 2011 - 10:34 .

[shiba5]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

I always feel so sad for him when he thanks my Hawke, I'm like, dude, don't thank me for loving you and supporting you. This is not a favor I'm doing for you, don't you know that? But I hadn't given too much thought to how difficult it must be at times, because on the friendship path he seems to be holding it together fairly well in the scenes that we see after he almost kills the girl. But all those years in between then and blowing up the Chantry probably weren't all good times.

Well, his codex entry certainly doesn't seem like a walk in the park.  And with that, I bring you shameless self-promotion of fanfiction, complete with angst and some bonus Anders wall-sex.

Atlas, Chapter 1

I need to go find some icecubes or an iceberg or something...

Modifié par shiba5, 14 avril 2011 - 10:34 .

[Poetics124]

thenyxie wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I don't think Anders would be down for threesomes sheerly because he's so clingy.

That said he doesn't seem to think of Isabela as a threat so maybe he would go for her?

But there's Justice...but knowing Izzy that would only get her more intrigued.

It's too bad you can't ask. Even if you got turned down.

And now I'm wondering if rival Hawke and Justice ever had hatesex.

I blame that entirely on this thread.  

That's a good point, Isabela doesn't seem to bother him like the others. But I think he's too hung up on Hawke.

However, I hope like HELL Hawke and Justice hate banged at least a few times *G*

I don't think he's bothered by Isabela because he knew her from before and knows she just likes to sleep with other people, so whatever is going on between her and Hawke, to him, would be a fling.

The person he was really threatened by was Fenris.  Even when Fenris isn't with Hawke or neither of them are, he's still possessive of Hawke around Fenris.  I think it's both because Fenris hates mages and Fenris seems as if he has a connection with Hawke too, even in rivalry.

[ipgd]

Threeparts wrote...

Oh, yes, that just threw me off. I get the whole Dangerous Men Are Attractive idea, but pulling it out after a cheesy flirt line when you've known the woman for all of a day or two seemed like poor pacing.
Having things be more easy-going with a more subtle take (show, don't tell!) on his instability for the first Act would have been better. Save the big, "you know I'm crazy and potentially dangerous and you're still sure you want to go through with this?" speeches for Act II when he's actually gotten to know what she's like and what she's looking for.

I thought that was done pretty well in the m!Hawke romance, and it comes across as really hamfisted with the early melodramatic f!Hawke scenes. The implications are kind of Unfortunate if it wasn't intentionally ironic. I wish Hepler posted more so we could creep on her brain.

Miri1984 wrote...

@ipgd I honestly think it is. Deliberately ironic. DG has waxed lyrical about how romantic Twilight is a couple of times.

Also,
the whole "I'll only hurt you" trope was actually GREAT before Twilight
came along. Dangerous men ARE the object of a lot of women's fantasies.
Doesn't mean we actually want to marry them, but having dangerous men
(and BOTH of the male LIs are dangerous, far more so than the female
ones, despite Merrill's blood magic) as pixelated LIs makes a lot of
sense, money wise.

My personal favourites are dangerous men and
cold men. Androids and bad boys. Which is totally understandable
considering I married the least dangerous, most emotionally comfortable
man I've ever met. I DON'T want to romance my husband in a video game...

ETA And Anders can't get hung up on Isabela, since he's banged her too!

Yeah, I certainly think the romance as a whole is very self-aware and works as something of deconstruction of the logical conclusions of getting into a relationship with someone that has a personality that's really as obsessive as cheesy romance novel protagonists seem to glorify. I wrote about it at some length the last time the Twilight ****** came up in this thread.

The early f!Hawke/m!Hawke dialogue disparity is stretching the limits of my overanalysis, though.

Modifié par ipgd, 14 avril 2011 - 10:34 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Miri1984 wrote...
My personal favourites are dangerous men and cold men. Androids and bad boys. Which is totally understandable considering I married the least dangerous, most emotionally comfortable man I've ever met. I DON'T want to romance my husband in a video game...

LOL.  I'm in the same boat.  My two favorite pixelated guys ever are Atton Rand, former murderer and torturer of Jedi, and Anders, crazy abomination extraordinaire.  And I date a sweet, snuggly Jewish boy IRL.  Least badass dude ever.

[Threeparts]

thenyxie wrote...

I always feel so sad for him when he thanks my Hawke, I'm like, dude, don't thank me for loving you and supporting you. This is not a favor I'm doing for you, don't you know that? But I hadn't given too much thought to how difficult it must be at times, because on the friendship path he seems to be holding it together fairly well in the scenes that we see after he almost kills the girl. But all those years in between then and blowing up the Chantry probably weren't all good times.

I know there's been days where I've wanted to cling to my SO and thank him for not leaving my crazypants-clad ass, so I kind of identify with Anders on that level.  Knowing that the family and friends of people with mood disorders sometimes get put through the emotional wringer, it's a encouraging to be able to RP a character that's seen what this man is capable of, seen what he's going through and still accepts and supports him.

It's part of why the rivalry romance makes me feel a little ill. Someone who is already mentally unstable and emotionally vulnerable getting put through the wringer just makes me feel a little nauseous. Good for those who like it, but I identify with the characters too strongly to enjoy it, despite the delicious drama.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Threeparts wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

I honestly think he was warning off female Hawke because it's something that women are supposed to find attractive? The whole "I'll only hurt you!" echoes Twilight too closely for me, and seems weird coming from him so early in their (non) relationship.

Oh, yes, that just threw me off. I get the whole Dangerous Men Are Attractive idea, but pulling it out after a cheesy flirt line when you've known the woman for all of a day or two seemed like poor pacing.
Having things be more easy-going with a more subtle take (show, don't tell!) on his instability for the first Act would have been better. Save the big, "you know I'm crazy and potentially dangerous and you're still sure you want to go through with this?" speeches for Act II when he's actually gotten to know what she's like and what she's looking for.

The trend with female player hetero-romances seems to be pulling back layers. We have to chip away that tough exterior to get the bits inside. We've also learned protagonists can't flirt worth a damn. Really Shepard, creepy smile, really?

[Sable Rhapsody]

shiba5 wrote...
I need to go find some icecubes or an iceberg or something...

You're welcome?  I guess? 

It's been a LONG time since I wrote sex that doesn't involve fringes or mandibles.  

[shiba5]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

I honestly think he was warning off female Hawke because it's something that women are supposed to find attractive? The whole "I'll only hurt you!" echoes Twilight too closely for me, and seems weird coming from him so early in their (non) relationship.

Oh, yes, that just threw me off. I get the whole Dangerous Men Are Attractive idea, but pulling it out after a cheesy flirt line when you've known the woman for all of a day or two seemed like poor pacing.
Having things be more easy-going with a more subtle take (show, don't tell!) on his instability for the first Act would have been better. Save the big, "you know I'm crazy and potentially dangerous and you're still sure you want to go through with this?" speeches for Act II when he's actually gotten to know what she's like and what she's looking for.

The trend with female player hetero-romances seems to be pulling back layers. We have to chip away that tough exterior to get the bits inside. We've also learned protagonists can't flirt worth a damn. Really Shepard, creepy smile, really?

Male Shep is so awkward.

[Ryzaki]

Poetics124 wrote...
I don't think he's bothered by Isabela because he knew her from before and knows she just likes to sleep with other people, so whatever is going on between her and Hawke, to him, would be a fling.

The person he was really threatened by was Fenris.  Even when Fenris isn't with Hawke or neither of them are, he's still possessive of Hawke around Fenris.  I think it's both because Fenris hates mages and Fenris seems as if he has a connection with Hawke too, even in rivalry.

Yeah I don't think he believes her to be the sort to fall in love. 

And you have just added a delicious dimension to my screwed up Rivalry romance with Anders. (Especially seeing as Fenris and Hawke are close friends, were once lovers, and Hawke teaches Fenris to read). I thank you for that. 

And now I have fic brewing in my brain.

[Amondra]

Ryzaki wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...
Someone with saves loaded all over the place and an insatiable curiosity about content she's never seen. Also, something something something...for science!

There are somethings I can't do for science. Dumping Merrill and Dumping Anders are two of them. (well dumping them right after sleeping with them at least). 

And I can never max out Varric's rivalry. That needs a guide. 

Edit: So now this post shows up. Grand. >_> I

I heard just being **** hawke at all times will get him into rivalry.  But me personally I like the dwarf to much.  I have been saving a playthrough to rival varric, I heard it changes how he narrates the story.

[Ryzaki]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

I just took, "I'll hurt you." as a giant Bioware red flad waving in my face telling me to stay away unless I wanted my emotions manipulated later in the game. So, of course, I dove in head first.
It's like the plate the waiter sets down in front of you that's, "Super HOT, don't touch!"

Yeah, that's how I took it.  Same as Morrigan with her "I hate love" thing and Wynne's warning about Alistair.  And I too plunged in head first because I'm crazy like that.

hm? Which warning? 

I got the Morrigan "what if you had to choose between your love and something else." (I think she said duty or the world or something) but I didn't get anyone warning from Wynne. Unless you mean the "you might hurt him." dialogue which...was odd to say the least. 

[shiba5]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

shiba5 wrote...
I need to go find some icecubes or an iceberg or something...

You're welcome?  I guess? 

It's been a LONG time since I wrote sex that doesn't involve fringes or mandibles.  

I'm happy there was no speculum involved.

[Ryzaki]

Amondra wrote...
I heard just being **** hawke at all times will get him into rivalry.  But me personally I like the dwarf to much.  I have been saving a playthrough to rival varric, I heard it changes how he narrates the story.

Douche Hawke doesn't work. I've tried.  

Do I have to be a super mega douche or something?