57020 réponses à ce sujet

[Threeparts]

SurelyForth wrote...

<snip!>

I never dealt with the dumping by Alistair, so I can't really speak on that, but oh-so seconding you on the first part. I love that for the most part Hawke gets treated the same, whether it's a male or female PC. There's no condescending giggles when Lady Hawke gets mean or Mister Hawke gets sweet or vice versa. I love that, it's a good feeling being able to unselfconsciously play a badass woman.

I can understand if it's in Anders personality to warn off a potential suitor, but only doing it to the women just puts me a bit off. If it's in his personality that he sees a woman as more fragile as a man and therefore needing him to take control of the situation, then it makes me a bit uncomfortable with the character. My female character has just fought by his side and accepted that he's an abomination - why get like that when it's already obvious she can take care of herself?

If it's a perception of the writers that a female needs more warning than a male, or the people that are likely to pick up those roles need different introductions to the romance is really a whole other issue that I don't have the patience or clarity of mind to deal with right now.

I wonder if the scene could be modded so that Lady Hawke gets the more fun male dialogue path.

Modifié par Threeparts, 14 avril 2011 - 11:32 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Amondra wrote...

Then we can use blood magic while Anders is over our shoulders screaming how bad it is...

Which minus the demon, I could see Merrill stumbling and cutting herself and then blood magic.

I even played a blood mage.  I wish I was cool enough to be the protagonist in my video games, but the archetype I tend to fit is more along the lines of Imoen, Merrill, Tali, etc.

[shiba5]

ipgd wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

I haven't played a M!Hawke. Does Anders tell him, "No!" when Hawke says he can take care of himself. I wanted to slap him after he said that to my F!Hawke.

Nope.

He hits on m!Hawke pretty hard in the beginning. You don't get the NO I'LL HURT YOU stuff until Act II.

Ok, then I'm re-evaluating my "hot plate" analogy and leaning toward a more cynical view that they just think that's what the ladies like to hear. <_<

[purplecookie]

Poetics124 wrote...

That moment totally brought out sassy gay friend in my Hawke.

"Wait! Slow down crazy!"

But I think it actually works for Anders newly merged character with Justice.  Justice's personality gives an intensity to everything Anders does and feels.  So his reaction in that moment is that he feels deeply for Hawke almost immediately and Justice's personality just amplifies his feelings onto a whole other level.  Where regular Anders would have flirted mercilessly with Hawke and joked to cover up the connection he was feeling, Justice Anders emotions are to the forefront...hence his speech at the moment in time.

No I agree, it does make sense for him to be emotionally intense, but how early it happens I'm still not convinced by. I will admit, when I first played the game, I was having a very hard time connecting "new Anders" with "Awakening Anders", it wasn't the change in VA or that the humour wasn't quite as prominent as before (I mention this latter point simply because there seems to be complaints elsewhere in the forum of "where's funny Anders gone???"), but the fact that he was so intense it just didn't sit right. But reflecting on it led me to the conclusion you've summarised, it does make sense, it just didn't (and still doesn't) make sense to me that it came out at that point in time. In particular I'm thinking of "And that will kill me as surely as the Templars" that doesn't work for me. i.e. I can buy into his feelings being intensified, I find it harder that he's formed an emotional attachment like that that causing Hawke heartache would be that devastating to him already.

Gah, it's past midnight here so sorry if that's all over the place!

Modifié par purplecookie, 14 avril 2011 - 11:21 .

[Tasmen]

ipgd wrote...

also lol

Hah...  I had never heard that one before.  Nice.

[Sable Rhapsody]

purplecookie wrote...
No I agree, it does make sense for him to be emotionally intense, but how early it happens I'm still not convinced by. I will admit, when I first played the game, I was having a very hard time connecting "new Anders" with "Awakening Anders", it wasn't the change in VA or that the humour wasn't quite as prominent as before (I mention this latter point simply because there seems to be complaints elsewhere in the forum of "where's funny Anders gone???"), but the fact that he was so intense it just didn't sit right. But reflecting on it led me to the conclusion you've summarised, it does make sense, it just didn't (and still doesn't) make sense to me that it came out at that point in time. In particular I'm thinking of "And that will kill me as surely as the Templars" that doesn't work for me. i.e. I can buy into his feelings being intensified, I find it harder that he's formed an emotional attachment like that that causing Hawke heartache would be that devastating to him already.

Gah, it's past midnight here so sorry if that's all over the place!

Well, Anders did kill Karl quite recently when he gives that line, and Hawke did just go through a very emotionally harrowing experience with him.  I think just the thought of falling in love with another person, especially since he seems to react strongly to Hawke from the get-go, has him a bit panicky.

[Dasha Dreyson]

Tasmen wrote...

ipgd wrote...

also lol

Hah...  I had never heard that one before.  Nice.

That is hillarious.

[purplecookie]

shiba5 wrote...

ipgd wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

Hey... how come she stays out of this thread? Is it too scary in here?

She's made a few posts here, but this thing moves so fast I imagine she gave up following it a long time ago.

Or maybe she saw Mereanders?  j/k

Anders smirks at you

*sigh* I will never tire of the smirk...

[Ashwraith]

Batteries wrote...

I don't want  any kids either. Never liked kids or babies much. I think I'm past the "lul you'll change your mind bbz make everything bettar!" comments thankfully.

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEEG.

Sorry, 's'just I used to get those comments all the time. All the damn time.
Same with "you're not interested in a relationship? You must be a lesbian/mentally deficient/in denial/horribly lonely".
Excuse me; I think I need to go break stuff.

[Amondra]

ipgd wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

yukidama wrote...

shiba5 wrote...
I haven't played a M!Hawke. Does Anders tell him, "No!" when Hawke says he can take care of himself. I wanted to slap him after he said that to my F!Hawke.
*snip

You don't get that conversation at all. He doesn't warn you or push you away when you flirt with him in that scene as a male Hawke.

Ugh, that just seems so condescending to put that in there like that just for the "girls". So he's not a dangerous burning hunk of hot mage who is going to HURT YOU if you're another man? Shiba5 is getting angry...

Here's the full thing, if you're curious:



He still does the dangerous burning hunk of hot mage who is going to HURT YOU thing, but not until after he goes to great lengths to slobber on your junk.

also lol

See why couldn't the fem Hawke get something like that? It would have made sense, and not so weighty.  I sort of feel like male Hawke was getting more insight on Anders.  but that's just me.

[Dasha Dreyson]

I have one child and that's all I'm having. Severe postpartum is a *****.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Amondra wrote...

See why couldn't the fem Hawke get something like that? It would have made sense, and not so weighty.  I sort of feel like male Hawke was getting more insight on Anders.  but that's just me.

Aww, I liked the diplomatic path for FemHawke in that conversation where he actually initiates some of the flirting.  But what bothers me is that for FemHawke, he EITHER does the romantic conversation OR talks about the Circle and the mages' cause.  I wanna talk to him about everything goddamnit!

[Dunizel]

Threeparts wrote...


I wonder if the scene could be modded so that Lady Hawke gets the more fun male dialogue path.

Well, I saw a video of Anders' romance with M!Hawke but with the female dialogue lines, and they were even voiced. So I guess it is possible...

[shiba5]

ipgd wrote...

Here's the full thing, if you're curious:



He still does the dangerous burning hunk of hot mage who is going to HURT YOU thing, but not until after he goes to great lengths to slobber on your junk.

also lol

That whole thing seems so much sweeter than the F!Hawke version. That's kind of depressing.

[Purposeof-Flight]

No babies for me.
But if I do have a baby, I hope I have a son.
No offense, yall, but I'm not handling preteen pregnancy PMS **** RAGE "I HATE YOU BECAUSE YOU WON'T LET ME WEAR A SKIRT THAT DISPLAYS MY VAG" arguments.
I'd rather have a son. They seem so much easier.

[Aggie Punbot]

Meh, I'm in the minority here in that it doesn't bother me that Anders is more cautious to get into a relationship with a female than a male. In my opinion, Anders can relate more to another man than he can as a woman and has a better understanding of how a potentially botched romance can affect another man rather than a woman. Makes perfect sense to me that he wouldn't be willing to risk 'hurting' a woman due to a relationship snafu because he really doesn't "know" how women react or feel in situations like that. I'd imagine his experience with being in an actual non-casual relationship with a woman is sorely lacking (what with having been on the run from people his entire life and all) so I think it's completely in character for him to act as such.

[thebrute7]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Amondra wrote...

See why couldn't the fem Hawke get something like that? It would have made sense, and not so weighty.  I sort of feel like male Hawke was getting more insight on Anders.  but that's just me.

Aww, I liked the diplomatic path for FemHawke in that conversation where he actually initiates some of the flirting.  But what bothers me is that for FemHawke, he EITHER does the romantic conversation OR talks about the Circle and the mages' cause.  I wanna talk to him about everything goddamnit!

I want this too!  Of course I want to hear everything from all the other companions too.

[Amondra]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Amondra wrote...

See why couldn't the fem Hawke get something like that? It would have made sense, and not so weighty.  I sort of feel like male Hawke was getting more insight on Anders.  but that's just me.

Aww, I liked the diplomatic path for FemHawke in that conversation where he actually initiates some of the flirting.  But what bothers me is that for FemHawke, he EITHER does the romantic conversation OR talks about the Circle and the mages' cause.  I wanna talk to him about everything goddamnit!

OMG I know! I was blushing so hard!  but I agree I wanted all of it too.  But I swear when he gives that line about being beautiful, I forget it all and just swoon like mad. 

Also I want to know his real name damn it!

[mellifera]

ipgd wrote...
Here's the full thing, if you're curious:



He still does the dangerous burning hunk of hot mage who is going to HURT YOU thing, but not until after he goes to great lengths to slobber on your junk.

The "...in as much detail as you fancy" line makes me put on my squeejuicepants. Heeee

Also, dude Hawke's delivery of the "If they want you, ~*~*~they'll have to come through me~*~*~" line just KILLS me. I love Boulton so much, lol.

I hate blonder Anders though, and flesh colored stubble Anders >:|

Modifié par yukidama, 14 avril 2011 - 11:34 .

[nekhbet]

Tasmen wrote...

ipgd wrote...
Hence why Gaynders is clearly superior. He at least gets a little leg humping in before the drama

I totally agree.  I think from here on out all my M!hawkes are riding the cray cray train (note in edit:  you cannot ride a town, though I suppose you could but this is not that type of game) to Anders' pants.  I so much more prefer Gaynders. 

Thirded. Gaynders isn't nearly as creepy and is overall much more enjoyable romance than with LadyHawke.

I must say, though, I'm not overly bothered by it. Gives me an excuse to play more male characters for a change, especially with the great VA. And it's not like there's been an excess of good m/m focused romances in games, anyway, so a little disparity makes up for the years of no gay option.

yukidama wrote...
The "...in as much detail as you fancy" line makes me put on my squeejuicepants. Heeee [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie]

Yeah, that's just...

Modifié par nekhbet, 14 avril 2011 - 11:34 .

[Miri1984]

I don't really have much of a problem with the "warning off" stuff, although I do wish he'd done the warning to m!Hawke as well. The same as I wish F!Hawke had gotten the talk about Karl. M!Hawke gets so much more dialogue, and I think it's possible that they put the warning off stuff in there to ... fill in ? IYKWIM. And they didn't give us the Karl warning because they were scared of frightening people off with his gayness. Which kind of seems redundant, given the backlash we've seen now.

[shiba5]

Amondra wrote...


See why couldn't the fem Hawke get something like that? It would have made sense, and not so weighty.  I sort of feel like male Hawke was getting more insight on Anders.  but that's just me.

He got tons more! F!Hawke never got to hear about him being ripped away from his little village by the Templars or the extra bits about Karl.

[Jean]

shiba5 wrote...

Amondra wrote...


See why couldn't the fem Hawke get something like that? It would have made sense, and not so weighty.  I sort of feel like male Hawke was getting more insight on Anders.  but that's just me.

He got tons more! F!Hawke never got to hear about him being ripped away from his little village by the Templars or the extra bits about Karl.

You can hear it but you have to take the sarcastic or aggressive options offhand to get them.
Male Hawke has much for flexible dialogue to work with.

[Camilladilla]

yukidama wrote...
The "...in as much detail as you fancy" line makes me put on my squeejuicepants. Heeee

Also, dude Hawke's delivery of the "If they want you, ~*~*~they'll have to come through me~*~*~" line just KILLS me. I love Boulton so much, lol.

I hate blonder Anders though, and flesh colored stubble Anders >:|

Oh man, I always, ALWAYS go down that dialogue path to hear Anders say that and then I melt into a happy puddle afterwards.

[Sable Rhapsody]

shiba5 wrote...

He got tons more! F!Hawke never got to hear about him being ripped away from his little village by the Templars or the extra bits about Karl.

EDIT: 'd.  Have kittens instead.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 14 avril 2011 - 11:38 .