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[The Spirit of Dance]

...nope

[Saphara]

falconlord5 wrote...

I quote my very Catholic cousins (and my Theology professor): Those who use the Christianity, or any religion, to promote hatred of others, have totally misunderstood the message.

Have to say, thats a good attitude to have.

I think a lot of Christians just cherry-pick from the Bible and ignore those passages they disagree with.

[Rake21]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

megaz635 wrote...

This is why im Athiest.

I don't have to follow the rules written by man and not "God".

There's also the fact that there's no evidence for a higher power. I mean, that's probably the best reason to be an atheist.

Or you could avoid another stereotype altogether.

I'm Catholic.  Raised my whole life that way.  Personally, I could give two ****s about homosexualtiy.  If that's what makes you happy, then have at it.  That's everyones right.


On a side note, anyone else suprised this thread hasn't been locked yet?

Modifié par Rake21, 08 mars 2011 - 05:17 .

[Statulos]

Blastback wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Sibajar91 wrote...

Leviticus 18: In
Leviticus
18:22 it is written:

"Do not lie with a man as one
lies with a woman;
that is detestable."

Depending on the type of bible it describes it as different adjectives, but in summary: wrong. According to the bible at least.

What about lesbians?

Not mentioned directly in my knowledge.  But I'm no Biblical scholar.

Remember Gommorrah?

[Lurid Jester]

Wacko88 wrote...

Anyone else boycotting this game because of the adult homosexual content?

Nope, just you... because normal people who are comfortable with their sexuality don't care and are smart enough to realize that being exposed to 'Adult Homosexual Content" isn't going to turn them homosexual...  

So buddy, enjoy your ignorance, your insecurities, and fears.

The rest of us are going to be WTFPWNing some darkspawn and qunari.

[Ailith Tycane]

If you expect tolerance - you should also put out tolerance.

Not necessarily.

[Hathur]

WrexKroganKing wrote...

The Bible's a terribly written piece of fiction.... <snip>

Actually it's terrific fiction, especiall considering how old it is....

What more could you want from an epic fantasy tale? A man splits a river in two so people can march safely through it... summons plagues and locusts on the Egyptian pharoh... Dude has a momentus conversation with a fiery bush that tells him the laws of man.... then later we meet some hippy fella who creates wine and bread from thin air to feed the masses.... cures lepers with the wave of a hand, gets nailed to a tree then comes back to freakin life.

Daaamn... that's epic stuff. J.R.R. Tolkien's got nothin on the bible I tell ya... pfft, elves, Sauron, hobbits, wizards. The bible's got freakin Jedi, wizards, psychics, supermen.

When when I want high quality fantasy fiction, I'll take the bible, thank you kindly 

Modifié par Hathur, 08 mars 2011 - 05:17 .

[SlayTheDragons]

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

I think that everyone should be free to do whatever the hell they want as long as nobody is hurt or dies from it.

amen.

[Medhia Nox]

Given the swift movement of this thread - please be conscious of the fact that God is not the same as a religious text. Feel free to be an atheist - but I repeat, if you want tolerance directed at you, you should strive to put tolerance forward.

[Gill Kaiser]

Wacko88 wrote...

I wouldn't have a problem if the game allowed you to be gay, but made it clear that it was a bad choice. The player could turn to homosexuality, but could potentially lose health, XP, and his companions by going down this destructive path. This would be a more realistic and educational approach.

Too obvious.

[The Night Haunter]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Sibajar91 wrote...

megaz635 wrote...

This is why im Athiest.

I don't have to follow the rules written by man and not "God".

Making you a dangerous person when you think of it.

Yeah, because the rules dictated by the Bible are the only reason why people don't go around murdering, raping and stealing all the time, right? I mean, without the Bible, all of society would break down!

Grow up. Morality is a societal construct, yes, but it's nothing to do with religion. All religion does is take common sense and wrap it up in outmoded rites and dogma.

There is no common sense in organized religion.

[Graunt]

Wacko88 wrote...

I wouldn't have a problem if the game allowed you to be gay, but made it clear that it was a bad choice. The player could turn to homosexuality, but could potentially lose health, XP, and his companions by going down this destructive path. This would be a more realistic and educational approach.

So I suppose what you're suggesting is that promiscuous and unprotected sex is bad, and so is sharing needles?  Hmm, I didn't reallize it was limited to one orientation.

[PWMK2]

Wacko88 wrote...

I wouldn't have a problem if the game allowed you to be gay, but made it clear that it was a bad choice. The player could turn to homosexuality, but could potentially lose health, XP, and his companions by going down this destructive path. This would be a more realistic and educational approach.

... if by educational you mean misguided, hateful and wrong.

[Sibajar91]

PWMK2 wrote...

Sibajar91 wrote...

JoshPloof wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

JoshPloof wrote...

Wacko88 wrote...

Ellestor wrote...

It's interesting that ‘adult homosexual content’ is somehow a better reason for you to boycott it than the rampant, wanton slaughter.

If you take a game that seriously (and I'm not saying you shouldn't), should that not be of immensely higher moral priority?

Weird values are weird.

Homosexuality is condemned in the Bible. Slaughtering mindless darkspawns (the devil) isn't.

Actually I don't think it's mentioned in the bible. Once.

You clearly havent read it then. As it is mentioned that having "relations" with another person of the same sex is an offense. Oh well, this thread has gone to the dogs Iam out.

Wanna quote that for me?

Leviticus 18: In
Leviticus
18:22 it is written:

"Do not lie with a man as one
lies with a woman;
that is detestable."

Depending on the type of bible it describes it as different adjectives, but in summary: wrong. According to the bible at least.

Hope you're not wearing polyester.

Leviticus 19:19

“You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of
your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor
wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.”

I don't get the polyester joke. But I don't deny that some things in the bible are outdated, and that it is possible that homosexuality being wrong could be one of them. But I personally don't believe it is, and I'm not telling anyone what to believe. Just what I believe. And I really don't have a problem with homosexuals. It's not my problem, so why should I care?

[Unichrone]

PWMK2 wrote...

Sibajar91 wrote...

JoshPloof wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

JoshPloof wrote...

Wacko88 wrote...

Ellestor wrote...

It's interesting that ‘adult homosexual content’ is somehow a better reason for you to boycott it than the rampant, wanton slaughter.

If you take a game that seriously (and I'm not saying you shouldn't), should that not be of immensely higher moral priority?

Weird values are weird.

Homosexuality is condemned in the Bible. Slaughtering mindless darkspawns (the devil) isn't.

Actually I don't think it's mentioned in the bible. Once.

You clearly havent read it then. As it is mentioned that having "relations" with another person of the same sex is an offense. Oh well, this thread has gone to the dogs Iam out.

Wanna quote that for me?

Leviticus 18: In
Leviticus
18:22 it is written:

"Do not lie with a man as one
lies with a woman;
that is detestable."

Depending on the type of bible it describes it as different adjectives, but in summary: wrong. According to the bible at least.

Hope you're not wearing polyester.

Leviticus 19:19

“You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of
your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor
wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.”

This is a common tactic that doesn't hold water if you have even a rudimentary grasp on the principles of the Old Testament.  

The Hebrew canon had moral commandments and ritualistic commandments.  These two different types of commandments were mixed into one Mosaic Law to instill the idea that their God was different than Baal or Ra; their God demanded that they be holy, distinct.  Up until this point, deities were not associated with morality.  If you wanted to talk about what you should or shouldn't do, you would go to a philosopher, not a priest.  That all changed with the institution of the Law of Moses.  Homosexuality is considered by the Bible as an inherently moral issue.  Clothing and diet are not.  This is clarified in the first half of Acts, when Peter is told by God that the ritualistic elements of the Mosaic Law have now come to an end, such as the dietary restrictions and even the ritual of circumcision.  
The inherently moral issues still stand, however.  That is why you see Jesus and the Apostles condemning things like homosexuality, and not eating pork.  

[Corephyfish]

My (gay) friend Matt told me to post this whenever I saw something stupid like this, especially when they mention the bible...

[fighterchick]

tacopacabana wrote...

i just want to mention, the bible also tells the story in the town of gomorrah that angels came down for a visit and were raped by men. which is the root of homosexuality being evil. not rape. homosexuality.

whens the last time you heard angels coming down to your city?

**name may be wrong

Never, because angels don't exist!  

[Silver Direwolf]

Man, most genuine threads don't get this kind of attention

I wonder if I could make a more popular thread about another hot button topic, like say, abortions role in DA2

[Ellestor]

Blastback wrote...

Look, if we are going to debate the merits of homosexuality in video games, can we try to do it without insulting anyone's religous beliefs?

No, not really. When my furniture is in ruins, I don't ignore the elephant to spare its feelings.

How about: can we discuss religion as any other truth claim without giving it special treatment?

[Ailith Tycane]

Hathur wrote...

WrexKroganKing wrote...

The Bible's a terribly written piece of fiction.... <snip>

Actually it's terrific fiction, especiall considering how old it is....

...Considering most of it was stolen from the pagans...

[Mangelina Jolie]

Sharn wrote...

Mangelina Jolie wrote...

Sharn wrote...

What if I told you I am gay?

Want to come back to my tent?

Sorry, im the animal kinda gay...now you wonder why your Mabari has aids.

I figured it caught it from Morrigan's unmentionables.  Oh well.

Modifié par Mangelina Jolie, 08 mars 2011 - 05:19 .

[Statulos]

Wacko88 wrote...

I wouldn't have a problem if the game allowed you to be gay, but made it clear that it was a bad choice. The player could turn to homosexuality, but could potentially lose health, XP, and his companions by going down this destructive path. This would be a more realistic and educational approach.

Education is not propaganda.

[werewoof]

Wacko88 wrote...

I wouldn't have a problem if the game allowed you to be gay, but made it clear that it was a bad choice. The player could turn to homosexuality, but could potentially lose health, XP, and his companions by going down this destructive path. This would be a more realistic and educational approach.

[WrexKroganKing]

Wacko88 wrote...

I wouldn't have a problem if the game allowed you to be gay, but made it clear that it was a bad choice. The player could turn to homosexuality, but could potentially lose health, XP, and his companions by going down this destructive path. This would be a more realistic and educational approach.

And if you believe in the Maker you lose a huge amount of willpower and cunning. Pity there's no intelligence stat in DA2, because that'd plummet too.

[AnathamaDye]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Okay, just a little cry for "reason." Don't attack religious belief if you're asking for tolerance.

I'm gay, and I believe in God. A little education about the Bible goes a LONG way folks.

If you expect tolerance - you should also put out tolerance.

Very true.
I am a lesbian and an atheist, but I respect every religous view.  I have been raised in a multi religious family (Buddisim, Catholic), have friends who are Christian and Morman, and I LOVE World Religions class at my university.  I myself don't need a deity in my life, but I know many people who do.  It is something they have hope for, that helps them through tings...I completely understand that and respect it.  Learning opens your mind.