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[CgSquall]

In DA:O I enjoyed playing a dual-wield dps warrior, and then a sword/board tank warrior, but the way DA2 seems so far (only beaten the Prologue as a Mage, Warrior and Rogue now) rogues are only good against single targets (which only amounts to bosses it seems like, as the scale of the battles has gone up significantly since DA:O, at least in the beggining), and mages....well...was never really a fan of playing a mage.

So this leads me to my question to people who've played further in the game than I have.

Is it really worth building a sword/board warrior (since they got rid of dual-wield option entirely for warriors) and since you have Aveline as a tank that a PC can't really beat (just by looking at her skills at least)?

[xDSx]

CgSquall wrote...

Is it really worth building a sword/board warrior (since they got rid of dual-wield option entirely for warriors) and since you have Aveline as a tank that a PC can't really beat (just by looking at her skills at least)?

THIS is what pisses me off.
How they push NPC tank in my face. First Alistair, now her.
And If I want to be tank myself(Removing said character from the group), I'm kind of loosing essential plot character.
While respeccing them to be DPS is not an option(Several talents are in "tank spec" already)...
Come on!

Also, I'm no sexist, but I just feel uneasy forcing a woman to take beating while I backstab enemies with my two hander.

P.S. I think the "holy trinity"(Tank + Healer + Dps) should be changed already. Way too restrictive, overplayed and bland. But, I'm no game designer...

Modifié par xDSx, 08 mars 2011 - 11:56 .

[JulianoV]

Well... With the increase in healing cooldowns it does seem quite improbable that damage mitigation turns out to be a better strategy than burst damage... On the other hand having a 2 handed warrior is pretty much asking to get some teammate killed or having some pretty annoying aggro juggling moments, if you're not all into that.

Besides, having two tanks with different builds, one evasion based and another mitigation based could work if you manage to divert the attention of lieutenants and bosses, The DPS of the S&B isn't as almighty as the Two-Handed Warrior when swarmed, but as a future zweihander myself, I dread the notion of having to tank a boss.

S&B plays it safe, you shouldn't be killing your party memebers as often, you can allow yourself to carry a melee rogue... There's more room for variety, while the 2H is pretty much a Berserker, a crazy dude swinging his sword and putting everyone at risk.

I even mentioned somewhere in General Discussion something about the Berserk manga. If anyone's been keeping up with it, one should understand the mention.

[CgSquall]

I'll be honest..I went back and played a bit more..and I think I may be done with DA2 until a mod pack is released for it.

I could post a really long list of why's and such...but instead I'll just say one thing... why are there so many unique/amazing one-handed weapons if it is such a horrible choice to go sword/shield in DA2?

[JulianoV]

Oh wow. Got me scared here mate. Are the one handed weapons much better than the two handed ones?

[Wissenschaft]

An S&S warrior can still be great using upgrades to Stagger enemies and various abilities to knockdown enemies. They don't just tank, they disrupt the enemy. Add in Bravery to help them fight mass hordes and let them switch to shield defense when its time do tank a boss.

[physcho]

omg 'oh no i saw 3 great 1h weapons' time to quit the game!
cry more dude, like mentioned above, play your warrior how you want, having 2 different tanks with different specialties is cool. play 2h and let the girl do it all, im sure there will be another option later.

either way tho, relax!

[soteria]

I thought Alistair was really a pretty crappy tank compared to what the player could create, to be honest. Given the lack of full customization for companion armor, this game could well end up the same.

[Wissenschaft]

Actually Aveline is so damn good at tanking you might always want to take her instead of being a tank yourself.

[jweath]

Without going into a spoiler note in Awakenings some characters were temporary. The same goes for Dragon Age 2. If you want a sword and board tank, you might have to make one or remake a 2H warrior into one.

[Grymloc]

The tank issue is really lame. Would it seriously be so hard to alter your companions skills/specializations based on your first skill tree choice? (And class for that matter) Perhaps make your class and first tree selection more of an important and identifying choice?

I personally love S&B protection/tank type warrior roles. After looking over Aveline's skill trees it was pretty disheartening. Can Hawke even gain access to the Guardian skills?

This has actually halted my playing of the game for the moment. I have actually started a new game twice now, once as a shield war and once as a two-hander. It's not that I dislike 2handers, but I enjoy S&B more, and it's kindof like what is the point if Aveline is so preset and "in-your-face" about being a tank?

[CgSquall]

Grymloc sort of put what was in my head better than I did...

I love sword/board...but Aveline just...sort of ruins it?

[Mistress Tasharra]

Wait wait wait.

They removed dual wield talents from Warriors? Are you serious? That was my favourite style in Origins and Awakening.

The rogue animations are pretty annoying to me too after playing the Demo, and hearing I'd have to be a rogue to be able to dual wield makes me angry.

Well that's just bloody brilliant

Ugh.

[Graunt]

Wissenschaft wrote...

An S&S warrior can still be great using upgrades to Stagger enemies and various abilities to knockdown enemies. They don't just tank, they disrupt the enemy. Add in Bravery to help them fight mass hordes and let them switch to shield defense when its time do tank a boss.

A Two-Handed Warrior can also stagger...with ease.  On top of that, the Blood Dragon armor + Razer combo is stupidly powerful through Act 1, and I don't use Aveline -- there's no point.  This is playing on Hard though.  I won't be using a Two-Handed build in Nightmare until they patch the stupidity out (most likely never).

[TheBiz125]

Oops, I just started a thread on this in the "strategy" forum... should have looked here first. I cannot fathom how the devs decided it was a good idea to give a companion a talent tree that the main character could never possibly have access to. There is literally no reason to build a tank, which is what I really wanted to do with this game. Ugh.

[jweath]

Just found out the awakening respecs are available in the black emporium. It costs about 1 gold.

[KallDay]

For sheer S&B damage soaking, Aveline can't be beat. But (and correct me if I'm wrong) she doesn't have access to Hawke specializations, so if there turn out to be some interesting Reaver or Templar synergies for S&B, she's SOL.

[WJC3688]

It doesn't seem like there's any reason for this to ruin the game. You're not forced to take Aveline with you everywhere, I believe--if you hate her, don't field her and pretend she's not there/unusable.

[soteria]

It may also be that sword and board can be a viable damage-dealing tree, as it was in Origins. A second S&S warrior doesn't have to be redundant. You could build one for damage, or build one for tanking bosses (high con) and another for mooks (high cun). /shrug. I'm enjoying 2h, at least, on NM.

[Frigus]

If you dislike Aveline don't take her with you. Tank yourself or have Fenris, Carver or Merrill do it. The point of have a party of adventurers is to cover each others' weaknesses.

[AmunRa]

Frigus wrote...

If you dislike Aveline don't take her with you. Tank yourself or have Fenris, Carver or Merrill do it. The point of have a party of adventurers is to cover each others' weaknesses.

This.

Not sure about Nightmare, but on normal or hard there's absolutely no requirement to have a second tank. If you're a warrior and want to tank then do it.

[jweath]

Also you can respec Aveline into a 2H warrior if you want to tank. The black emporium has respec potions. So if you like her dialogue or just want to keep her you are not forced into anything. Like Awakenings if you have a little over a GP you can respec anyone at any time as many times as you want. In awakenings I respeced to a S&B until I got Justice then went back to a 2H warrior. You could do something similar here.

I am not sure what the problem is here though. You get Aveline early and unlike Alistair who was built as an offensive S&B early on Aveline actually is built more like a tank. Like Alistair, she is easy to spec out as an effective tank. I do not see why a PC would make a better tank, since she comes in so early. If you buy tomes heavily and tomes can only be used by you then maybe you make a slightly better tank in the late game.

Actually, in origins it was not so much Alistair was already a tank that was annoying. It was Loghain taking his place if you let him live. The guy was a poor tank build with no way to respec and no time to level up.

[SonvarTheMighty]

How can you respec Aveline into a 2H warrior when it's not even a skill tree she has?

[Taleroth]

Battles in DAO really benefited from having two Sword and Shield tanks. I don't know why people act like it's offensive to do so. It's more battlefield control.

[jweath]

nm

Modifié par jweath, 09 mars 2011 - 08:23 .