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[Lord Lemartius Marcelios Andreas]

Bioware did a good job on this - the fact people WANT to be able to save her means we got emotionally involved. Woop.

[leggywillow]

So what exactly happened to Leandra?  From what I gathered, the killer was piecing together body parts he liked in order to recreate his wife.  Got it.  So did the killer cut off her entire head and place it on this new body construct he made?  The rest of the body was made of other women?

... gah, I hated that quest.  SO MUCH.  

[Hedera]

I almost teared up. Kudos, BioWare. But Hawke is sad-face.

[Raiil]

I thought it was marvously well done. No matter what happens- Hawke will never completely win. There's still pain in their lives.

[magicwins]

Lord Lemartius Marcelios Andreas wrote...

Bioware did a good job on this - the fact people WANT to be able to save her means we got emotionally involved. Woop.

Yeah, no. It doesn't really matter whether or not I felt anything for the character before the quest. The fact that she is my in-game mother, and the killer actually chopped her up and stuck her together.....

My worst part was when she talks before dying. I couldn't stand watching that monstrosity talk with Leandra's voice.

Morrigan is one thing, but this is downright brutal.

[burb2500]

I'm in the camp that hated this ending. I was happy with the whole Jack the Ripper plot up until the final confrontation which elicited a "Huh?" and then a "FUUUUUUUU"

Seriously Bioware? Corpse Bride/Bride of Frankenstein in my Dragon Age? It just seemed way to jarring.

Also, the forced deaths of Hawke's family members felt way to forced, couldn't careless about them:
-Carver: didn't get to know him
-Beth: magically decides to die on the way out from the Deep Roads. If we could have seen a scene where she gets infected, but struggles through it, I would have bought it.
-Leandra: Woe is me! Woe is me! Just got on my nerves.

This quest was just one of many emotional manipulations that fell flat for me.

[Malja]

Lord Lemartius Marcelios Andreas wrote...

Bioware did a good job on this - the fact people WANT to be able to save her means we got emotionally involved. Woop.

Definately. It's hard to emotionally touch me (I'm rather numb) but it definately left me feeling unsettled. That's about as good as it gets.

[Malja]

burb2500 wrote...

I'm in the camp that hated this ending. I was happy with the whole Jack the Ripper plot up until the final confrontation which elicited a "Huh?" and then a "FUUUUUUUU"

Seriously Bioware? Corpse Bride/Bride of Frankenstein in my Dragon Age? It just seemed way to jarring.

Also, the forced deaths of Hawke's family members felt way to forced, couldn't careless about them:
-Carver: didn't get to know him
-Beth: magically decides to die on the way out from the Deep Roads. If we could have seen a scene where she gets infected, but struggles through it, I would have bought it.
-Leandra: Woe is me! Woe is me! Just got on my nerves.

This quest was just one of many emotional manipulations that fell flat for me.

Your second sibling's death is not forced, per say.

[Selig]

Malja wrote...

burb2500 wrote...
Also, the forced deaths of Hawke's family members felt way to forced, couldn't careless about them:
-Carver: didn't get to know him
-Beth: magically decides to die on the way out from the Deep Roads. If we could have seen a scene where she gets infected, but struggles through it, I would have bought it.
-Leandra: Woe is me! Woe is me! Just got on my nerves.

This quest was just one of many emotional manipulations that fell flat for me.

Your second sibling's death is not forced, per say.

Bringing Ander's with to the deep roads will have it end differently. Also leaving them at home as well will result in something else. No matter what you do you lose your sibling in some way at that part.

[LetsGoToMyHouse]

I had to take a break after playing. I also felt sick after completing that mission. Kudos to Bioware for how they handled the aftermath of that mission with Merrill coming to talk to me about it in my playthrough. I thought that was an excellent touch.

GAH! That mission had me on the verge of tears:(

[LadyBri]

LetsGoToMyHouse wrote...

I had to take a break after playing. I also felt sick after completing that mission. Kudos to Bioware for how they handled the aftermath of that mission with Merrill coming to talk to me about it in my playthrough. I thought that was an excellent touch.

GAH! That mission had me on the verge of tears:(

Just finished that mission as well, with tears in my eyes...I really liked my Mom!

I also enjoyed how your LI comes in for you - I had Anders and it was surprisingly sweet given the whole abomination thing.  I hated that Leandra had to die in such an incredibly horrific manner, but I can only praise devs that got me so attached to her in the first place that I was truly struck by her loss.

[Eumerin]

Politically, socially, and economically, Hawke moves up in the world over the course of the game.

But as this quest demonstrates his personal life has been nothing but tragedy since he left Lothering.

[Bluumberry]

atheelogos wrote...

I believed the story he told me about his sister, so I let the blood mage live. She still died (tears!)

Though I didn't see him again after letting him go. I thought the person I was with was going to kill him if I took her to him so I lied and said I didn't know where he went. I was hoping she'd drop it, so I could go alone.

Thsi is exactly what I thought yet you couldn't meet up with him in Darktown.

[Sable Rhapsody]

This quest made me seethe with fury. Go BioWare

[Ke11iente]

I killed Dupuis because I saw lilies sitting on the end table in his bedroom. That was not fair, Bioware.

[LPPrince]

So let me get this straight-

Even if DuPuis helps you get there faster, NOTHING changes?

If that's the case, what the hell is the point of that even being an option?

Its redundant.

[UltiPup]

Although it was sad that my Hawke was left an orphan, it is a good plot point. What development is there if no one dies? It was heart wrenching but at the same time epic.

[JoshMeinzer]

It was a great storytelling point to the game, especially after introducing the seeds for it in the previous act. Leandra seems happier, speaking of her suitor. Meanwhile, Hawke tracks a murderer who eludes her.

When Bodahn mentioned the white lilies, my heart actually sank. And then getting there, seeing the form in the chair, I kind of got the "Alright, I'm here, everything is fine" feeling... until it panned to her throat. It was something akin to the end of "Se7en" Just completely helpless and filled with anger.

It even impacted my RP too. I'd been using the humourous/sarcastic choices up until then, but for the next while it was mostly the aggressive/angry answers.

[kimprobable]

Agreed. I thought the death was a cheap emotional trick. But then they tied it in when the 'oh but a blood mage killed your mother!' thing... so I guess it works? Still didn't like it.

[namedforthemoon]

My guess is that you're so used to either being a mage with your sister and father that you don't really know what the real world of mages is like. Because you've always been protected by your family, you as a character really have no idea what mages who have not been protected will resort to. So when a blood mage suddenly kills your mother, it's like a huge smack in the face to make you wake up and possibly think, "WTF!? Mages are dangerous!" Because all you've had to go off of has been your father, your sister and yourself. Something precious had to be taken from you by the use of magic... Kind of like what Fenris was saying all along.

[Ocedic]

namedforthemoon wrote...

My guess is that you're so used to either being a mage with your sister and father that you don't really know what the real world of mages is like. Because you've always been protected by your family, you as a character really have no idea what mages who have not been protected will resort to. So when a blood mage suddenly kills your mother, it's like a huge smack in the face to make you wake up and possibly think, "WTF!? Mages are dangerous!" Because all you've had to go off of has been your father, your sister and yourself. Something precious had to be taken from you by the use of magic... Kind of like what Fenris was saying all along.

Honestly I didn't feel this way though, mostly because the serial killer didn't have to be a blood mage.  I mean, re-animating corpse part was blood magic, but if the serial killer was just a psycho who cut up your mother, wouldn't the result be the same with or without magic?

Spoiler below beyond Act 2
The only part that really made me question my defense of mages was when Anders blew up the cathedral, but that felt out of character since he was usually the voice of reason especially when it came to abuses of magic.  I mean he hates anyone who resorts to blood magic, yet he'll kill a church full of people?

Modifié par Ocedic, 11 mars 2011 - 01:24 .

[AlexXIV]

kimprobable wrote...

Agreed. I thought the death was a cheap emotional trick. But then they tied it in when the 'oh but a blood mage killed your mother!' thing... so I guess it works? Still didn't like it.

It's not 'a bloodmage killed your mother'. It's 'a sick perverted bastard killed your mother' which makes no sense whatsoever. I mean even if you blamed bloodmages in general, could you choose the dialogue option or anything to go rampage and hunt and kill every bloodmage? No you can't. I mean it is not even like you need it since every bloodmage aside from Merril is trying to kill you or is some sort of pervert anyway in DA2. So obviously someone figured, huh, they didn't realize how evil Bloodmagic is in Origins, we need to change that.

I think Bioware went too far in this. I play Bioware games since BG and while I had plenty emotional moments in their games I was never openly disgusted. And I hope they make a DLC or a patch that fixes this. Luckily I am a PC player so I will only have to put up with this until someone writes a mod to fix it. Even if it will miss the VO then but so what. Better than what Bioware did.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 11 mars 2011 - 01:38 .

[LPPrince]

AlexXIV wrote...

kimprobable wrote...

Agreed. I thought the death was a cheap emotional trick. But then they tied it in when the 'oh but a blood mage killed your mother!' thing... so I guess it works? Still didn't like it.

It's not 'a bloodmage killed your mother'. It's 'a sick perverted bastard killed your mother' which makes no sense whatsoever. I mean even if you blamed bloodmages in general, could you choose the dialogue option or anything to go rampage and hunt and kill every bloodmage? No you can't. I mean it is not even like you need it since every bloodmage aside from Merril is trying to kill you or is some sort of pervert anyway in DA2. So obviously someone figured, huh, they didn't realize how evil Bloodmagic is in Origins, we need to change that.

I think Bioware went too far in this. I play Bioware games since DA2 and while I had plenty emotional moments in their games I was never openly disgusted. And if they don't make a DLC or a patch that fixes this. Luckily I am a PC player so I will only have to put up with this until someone writes a mod to fix it. Even if it will miss the VO then but so what. Better than what Bioware did.

I think that reaction is EXACTLY what they wanted out of you.

Anyway-

If DuPuis helps you get to her faster, shouldn't that be enough to SAVE her?

I mean, wouldn't that of been a better idea?

Refuse to partake in blood magic and your mother dies from blood magic.

Take part in blood magic and your mother is saved from blood magic.

I think THAT would've been way more interesting than "Mommy dies anyway"

[AlexXIV]

LPPrince wrote...
I think that reaction is EXACTLY what they wanted out of you.

Anyway-

If DuPuis helps you get to her faster, shouldn't that be enough to SAVE her?

I mean, wouldn't that of been a better idea?

Refuse to partake in blood magic and your mother dies from blood magic.

Take part in blood magic and your mother is saved from blood magic.

I think THAT would've been way more interesting than "Mommy dies anyway"

First off you quoted me too early. I had to edit most of it

But yeah, I think the forceful death of family members stands in a direct controversy to what bioware said anyway. I mean they advertised this game featuring a hero with family etc. in opposite to those heroes who either don't have one or get their parents killed in the prologue or something. What changed? We get to have a family to see how that is like  and ... aww ... they die ...

[yoshibb]

LPPrince wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

kimprobable wrote...

Agreed. I thought the death was a cheap emotional trick. But then they tied it in when the 'oh but a blood mage killed your mother!' thing... so I guess it works? Still didn't like it.

It's not 'a bloodmage killed your mother'. It's 'a sick perverted bastard killed your mother' which makes no sense whatsoever. I mean even if you blamed bloodmages in general, could you choose the dialogue option or anything to go rampage and hunt and kill every bloodmage? No you can't. I mean it is not even like you need it since every bloodmage aside from Merril is trying to kill you or is some sort of pervert anyway in DA2. So obviously someone figured, huh, they didn't realize how evil Bloodmagic is in Origins, we need to change that.

I think Bioware went too far in this. I play Bioware games since DA2 and while I had plenty emotional moments in their games I was never openly disgusted. And if they don't make a DLC or a patch that fixes this. Luckily I am a PC player so I will only have to put up with this until someone writes a mod to fix it. Even if it will miss the VO then but so what. Better than what Bioware did.

I think that reaction is EXACTLY what they wanted out of you.

Anyway-

If DuPuis helps you get to her faster, shouldn't that be enough to SAVE her?

I mean, wouldn't that of been a better idea?

Refuse to partake in blood magic and your mother dies from blood magic.

Take part in blood magic and your mother is saved from blood magic.

I think THAT would've been way more interesting than "Mommy dies anyway"

Yeah, I didn't get that either. Why give us the choice if nothing different happens? And by going to DuPuis, you should get there much earlier so why is it the same exact scene as if you waited until nightfall. I don't mind death as long as there's a choice or a mistake on your part to lead to that death. Just pulling out the death card because it's dramatic is lame.