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[DavidWalkerV]

Henk76 wrote...

If anyone utters the words 'dumbed down' again, I think I'm gonna scream. And whoever said 'Witcher 2 FTW': combat-wise, The Witcher is the ultimate button masher. Incomparable to anything Bioware has ever done.

The witcher combat was painfully simple. Combat Aside, It's about the level of detail in the world around you and the variety in the environments. I had a lot more fun with the Witcher, which was 5 dollars when I bought it, then DA2.  I thought the game mechanics and play were very fun.  I missed having a party though. 

Anyway, I'm glad you're enjoying it.  I get that "streamlining" helps people navigate.  I miss seeing more detail on items and being able to inspect them to read about what it was, not just a "junk item worth 23s"

[Henk76]

Don't have the game yet, just find it annoying that all those other people who haven't actually played the game cry foul based on nothing more than the rants of disgruntled RPG-purists. 

Modifié par Henk76, 09 mars 2011 - 11:25 .

[Shadowcrazy4]

Henk76 wrote...

If anyone utters the words 'dumbed down' again, I think I'm gonna scream.

*coughs*

THIS GAME HAS BEEN DUMBED THE F%^& DOWN!!!!

now feel free to scream as the vast majority shows you what's wrong with this game

like it or not everyone has an opinion...and it seems some of ours are related

[Henk76]

of course, everybody's entitled to their opinion, especially if they've actually played the game. Which I haven't, nor have a lot of the naysayers around here. Apart from that, having to read 'dumbed down sellout piece of sh*&' over and over again gets really old after a while.

[DavidWalkerV]

Henk76 wrote...

Don't have the game yet, just find it annoying that all those other people who haven't actually played the game cry foul based on nothing more than the rants of disgruntled RPG-purists. 

Yeah, I'm one of those RPG purists, and I had the knee jerk reaction to the demo a lot of them had.  I've got every game Bioware has made for the last 10 years on my computer installed and patched, just in case I want to run through icewind dale again.  or Plansecape.

But hey, if you play it and like it, then good for you.  I'm sure Bioware will sell like 4 million copies and 3 million people will love it. I'm just not one of them.  That doesn't make me think you're an idiot for liking it.  People get really hostile.  I'm sure bioware definitely didn't say, "lets do all this stuff that everyone will hate and ****** everyone off".

Hope you like it.  Get the Hi-Res pack if you're on PC and try the new nvidia drivers if you need them.  They are in beta just for DA2.  Had to turn my AA down to 2x and that helped.  Check out the lighting and the environment textures.  I think you'll be impressed.

Also, have you SEEN the trailer for the witcher 2?



Looks pretty amazing.

Modifié par DavidWalkerV, 09 mars 2011 - 11:35 .

[agesilaj12]

Paladin Lil Pup wrote...

Once upon a time bioware creates games by gamers for gamers... From my very first bioware game of Baldur's Gate to DAO their games have always been top quality with storyline that grabs you from the beginning, witty, great voice acting, and clever dialogue.

DA2 unfortunately seems to be the end of it all. DA2 probably the only bioware game that is truly bland... the voice actors are still great, but the dialogue are flat... wittiness are nowhere to be found... the storyline is flat... this game truly is a "do quest and hack and slash any enemy in your way" game. Bioware old games pulls you into the story, you do quest because you WANT TO KNOW what's going to happen next... in this game it don't even feel like the story matters.

The game also feels so sterile... very console-ish... I'm not sure how to explain it except that the game feels restrictive.

One thing that they do well is the combat, it's more realized, it's more exciting than DAO. But I didn't buy this game for the hack and slash part... I bought it for the RPG part of it, the storyline, the memorable characters, witty dialogues.

Bottomline... it's totally NOT worth the $59 that I paid for it... in fact I'm going to ask steam for a refund, they can have this game back... I know it's probably not going to work but I'll do it anyway... if you're looking to buy this game just wait until all the DLC come out and they pack everything together for somewhere around $30 then it won't be a bad buy. It really is not a bad game but it's nothing like what DAO was, or any Bioware game before for that matter... from RPG standpoint this one very mediocre.

I blame EA for this... they have always been a mainstream company, trying to reach the greater mass even if that means sacrificing things that defines a genre... Flashy stuff over substance... I blame EA for this dumbed down game that Bioware release... !@#$ you EA for messing with a company that was great, one of the very few that made RPG games the way it meant to be made for RPG lovers like me and many others out there.

Pretty much agreed.I felt same way  toward  EA while playing DOA2. Than i realized that the game  I recently finished and liked way more than first one (which was awesome), Dead Space 2 was also released by EA!!! Unlike Dragon Age 2 , no  major shenanigans, dumbing down yada yada etc.... in DS2 . Anyway, this is just plain and simple mediocre to bad (for Bioware standards) game. I hope they do much better than this with ME3.

[Henk76]

DavidWalkerV wrote...

Yeah, I'm one of those RPG purists, and I had the knee jerk reaction to the demo a lot of them had.  I've got every game Bioware has made for the last 10 years on my computer installed and patched, just in case I want to run through icewind dale again.  or Plansecape.

But hey, if you play it and like it, then good for you.  I'm sure Bioware will sell like 4 million copies and 3 million people will love it. I'm just not one of them.  That doesn't make me think you're an idiot for liking it.  People get really hostile.  I'm sure bioware definitely didn't say, "lets do all this stuff that everyone will hate and ****** everyone off".

Hope you like it.  Get the Hi-Res pack if you're on PC and try the new nvidia drivers if you need them.  They are in beta just for DA2.  Had to turn my AA down to 2x and that helped.  Check out the lighting and the environment textures.  I think you'll be impressed.

Also, have you SEEN the trailer for the witcher 2?



Looks pretty amazing.

I get where you're coming from and of course some things I've read have made me a bit apprehensive of the game, having played every BioWare-game from BG2 onwards. I will be posting a review once I've spent some time with it. What I just don't get - as you point out - is that lots of people seem to take BioWare's new direction very personal and are very hostile in dismissing others who dare to voice a different opinion. Makes me fear for the mental stability of geekdom.

And yeah, I've seen the Witcher II trailer. Have it on preorder ;-) Skyrim also looks pretty promising. Spent a lot of time with Oblivion back in the day.

[DavidWalkerV]

Good luck with the trolls. I've got to work in 5 hours. And I should meditate before then so i can buy new skill points and make my own potions and all the other rpg elements I've decided to LARP with IRL to compensate for the loss of DA2.

[meteor0L]

DavidWalkerV wrote...

Yeah, I'm one of those RPG purists, and I had the knee jerk reaction to the demo a lot of them had.  I've got every game Bioware has made for the last 10 years on my computer installed and patched, just in case I want to run through icewind dale again.  or Plansecape.

I think Icewind dale& Planescape were both made only by black isle and not bioware... they have the same engine like baldurs gate, so most people mix those games up ( very good games nevertheless)
But I can feel you, i also own all bioware games (and those of black isle^^), and i dont like DA2 at all.

Modifié par meteor0L, 09 mars 2011 - 11:47 .

[mpascarelli81]

I really have not played the game too much yet I am only about 4/5 hours in. That being said I do not think anyone could experience this game and call it an actual sequel to DAO. DAO was dubbed the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate and from combat mechanics, party management, companion stories and conversing it truly was.

Origins and its success filled me with hope that CRPG's of old would have a new era on modern PC's. Sadly DA2 has dashed those hopes.

This is not to say that DA2 will not be a great gaming experience in and of itself, but it is not a sequel to DAO and it cannot claim any connection to Bioware's masterpiece the Baldur's Gate Series.

To conclude I really would like to know why the top down isometric view was taken out on the PC. That is a hard one to swallow and truthfully my biggest gripe about the game so far. Is it possible a developer could give a solid reason as to why this was taken out, and if it can possibly be restored in a future patch.

Is there anyone else out there who feels as strongly about the top down view on the PC?

[Shadowcrazy4]

Henk76 wrote...

DavidWalkerV wrote...

Yeah, I'm one of those RPG purists, and I had the knee jerk reaction to the demo a lot of them had.  I've got every game Bioware has made for the last 10 years on my computer installed and patched, just in case I want to run through icewind dale again.  or Plansecape.

But hey, if you play it and like it, then good for you.  I'm sure Bioware will sell like 4 million copies and 3 million people will love it. I'm just not one of them.  That doesn't make me think you're an idiot for liking it.  People get really hostile.  I'm sure bioware definitely didn't say, "lets do all this stuff that everyone will hate and ****** everyone off".

Hope you like it.  Get the Hi-Res pack if you're on PC and try the new nvidia drivers if you need them.  They are in beta just for DA2.  Had to turn my AA down to 2x and that helped.  Check out the lighting and the environment textures.  I think you'll be impressed.

Also, have you SEEN the trailer for the witcher 2?



Looks pretty amazing.

I get where you're coming from and of course some things I've read have made me a bit apprehensive of the game, having played every BioWare-game from BG2 onwards. I will be posting a review once I've spent some time with it. What I just don't get - as you point out - is that lots of people seem to take BioWare's new direction very personal and are very hostile in dismissing others who dare to voice a different opinion. Makes me fear for the mental stability of geekdom.

And yeah, I've seen the Witcher II trailer. Have it on preorder ;-) Skyrim also looks pretty promising. Spent a lot of time with Oblivion back in the day.

some take it personal because after such an insane combo of good games this one fell flat on its face...I'm sure once you play it and make your review you'll see what many have cried about.

yes things get hostile but thats just human nature for opinions and such...in my opinion it seems we have 4 groups of people

2 groups being the people who genuinely like the game despite it's flaws and can post valid points as to why its good./ and people who are dissappointed at this abomination of a sequel that can post valid points as to why it's horrid

and the other 2 groups which are the ones you're referring to that are basically either hipster fanboys who will defend this game and its flaws and have no valid points other then pretty colors and its easier and to ****** off the other group./ which the other group are the haters/trolls who hate the game just because "its the cool thing" and jump on the bandwagon

in the end i see the negative outway the positive...and this is ignoring the fanboys and the trolls/pure hater posts...

most people were expecting a gem...and bioware just gave us a drawing of a gem...a crude drawing thats in permanent marker and was rushed....

hopefully bioware listens/reads this DAY 1 outcry and changes for the better...

p.s. skyrim looks to be great and unlike DA2 i have yet to see people complain about skyrim being bad...only how good it is and an improvement of oblivion...and i cant wait to purchase and enjoy skyrim as much as i know i will considering the freedom they give you in the game.

[DavidWalkerV]

meteor0L wrote...

DavidWalkerV wrote...

Yeah, I'm one of those RPG purists, and I had the knee jerk reaction to the demo a lot of them had.  I've got every game Bioware has made for the last 10 years on my computer installed and patched, just in case I want to run through icewind dale again.  or Plansecape.

I think Icewind dale& Planescape were both made only by black isle and not bioware... they have the same engine like baldurs gate, so most people mix those games up ( very good games nevertheless)
But I can feel you, i also own all bioware games (and those of black isle^^), and i dont like DA2 at all.

Haha, called out.  Well I suppose maybe it has been too long since I played through them if I can't remember who made them.  Didn't black isle get bought out by bioware anyway? Or worked alongside for production?  I know Interplay was the head company back then...

[Loaderini]

what about the in game interface? it's the only thing that horrified me. i felt like playing a console game.

are the menus and UI different than the demo?

Modifié par Loaderini, 09 mars 2011 - 11:54 .

[DavidWalkerV]

mpascarelli81 wrote...

I really have not played the game too much yet I am only about 4/5 hours in. That being said I do not think anyone could experience this game and call it an actual sequel to DAO. DAO was dubbed the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate and from combat mechanics, party management, companion stories and conversing it truly was.

Origins and its success filled me with hope that CRPG's of old would have a new era on modern PC's. Sadly DA2 has dashed those hopes.

This is not to say that DA2 will not be a great gaming experience in and of itself, but it is not a sequel to DAO and it cannot claim any connection to Bioware's masterpiece the Baldur's Gate Series.

To conclude I really would like to know why the top down isometric view was taken out on the PC. That is a hard one to swallow and truthfully my biggest gripe about the game so far. Is it possible a developer could give a solid reason as to why this was taken out, and if it can possibly be restored in a future patch.

Is there anyone else out there who feels as strongly about the top down view on the PC?

+1, no topdown sucks.  constantly losing party members and fighting the camera.

[DavidWalkerV]

Loaderini wrote...

what about the in game interface? it's the only thing that horrified me. i felt like playing a console game.

are the menus and UI different than the demo?

no, it's the same ugly red and yellow bars.

[Loaderini]

[DarkHod]

I heard that the story line is semi-linear, is this true?

[TheMasterOfkh]

i don't know about you all but i personally love to death this new installment but its true about the
some of the non rpg purity of it and some general issues but i'm not letting that ruin the game for me

[SoleSong]

Then I started to read the posts in thie tread... and it distress me... most explain what they dont like and why... thouse fewer who prise the game just do that, not in detail what or why so much.

[TheMasterOfkh]

i'm still will have multiple characters with 30+ hours on each same with the first game

[meteor0L]

DavidWalkerV wrote...

Haha, called out.  Well I suppose maybe it has been too long since I played through them if I can't remember who made them.  Didn't black isle get bought out by bioware anyway? Or worked alongside for production?  I know Interplay was the head company back then...

I think Black Isle and Bioware worked alongside for baldurs gate 1 and 2 , and Black Isle did Icewind Dale 1+2 and Planescape alone

[Shadowcrazy4]

SoleSong wrote...

Then I started to read the posts in thie tread... and it distress me... most explain what they dont like and why... thouse fewer who prise the game just do that, not in detail what or why so much.

my advice...save your money...you dont want to be heartbroken like most of us...you said it yourself the people who hate it explain with valid points why...and the ones who praise it just do that...there are some good points if you searched all the pages but imo the bad outway the good...but i feel like you shouldnt get it....or at least rent it before buying.

this sums up the thread for me in the way that the bad outways the good

www.metacritic.com/game/pc/dragon-age-ii/user-reviews

[TheMasterOfkh]

well in detail i love the new change in the game play ethics it's not like i hated the first's game play in fact i love it also but i like the change and the graphics tweak's were also welcomed but yes the camera is a little annoying but not enough to throw a fit over other than these the only REAL thing that bothers me is the lack of multiple beginnings as in the first game i still like the hawke story line but it might feel repetitive starting multiple new saves

[Paladin Lil Pup]

DavidWalkerV wrote...

Yeah, I'm one of those RPG purists, and I had the knee jerk reaction to the demo a lot of them had.  I've got every game Bioware has made for the last 10 years on my computer installed and patched, just in case I want to run through icewind dale again.  or Plansecape.

Uh totally out of topic here, but did you ever finished those games?  I've finished BG 1 & 2 + expansions and all NWN, but never get to finish Icewind Dale I and 2, and Planescape because of some weird bugs that kept hitting me (it was corrupted save file IIRC) on all those three... I've restarted Icewind 2 or 3 times all of them got corrupted save file at one point or another, Planescape too and I was frustrated because storywise that's probably the best game I've ever played, not even BG2 storyline beat that.

[CorgiDaddy]

My initial impressions. I like the art style better than I did the first one. The first one went for gritty realism, but ended up being kind of bland overall. The style in this one still has that gritty realism (mostly) but also seems to have developed more as its own style. I'm also kind of liking the meta-story aspects of it. There was a lot of talk about Flemeth from the demo. I was kind of intrigued by it, though. Did she actually take on that appearance, or is the unreliable narrator describing her that way because that's how he thinks an evil man-seducing witch should be dressed? Or has too much college led me to overanalyze things?

The gameplay... I'm still not sure what to make of it. If I compare it to the first game, yeah, its kind of disappointing. I think the first game showed that there's a strong market for tactics-based real-time party-based RPGs (though I'm *still* waiting for a good turn-based one, since real-time ones are typically "dumbed down", hah). That's obviously not what the game is trying to be, though. It wants to be an action RPG. Using that as the basis of comparison, this is what Diablo 2 would have been if it had a behind the back camera and less loot. Is it good? Is it bad? I haven't decided yet.