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[John Forseti]

So basically, Dragon Age 2 is to Dragon Age as Mass Effect 2 is to Mass Effect.

Aslong as the whole party doesn't board a raft and dissapear for no adequately explained reason, promptly followed by disaster, I can manage.

[Nastrod]

So you feel it is the one true honest review because it is the only one you agree with?

[FedericoV]

Sabiancym wrote...

 An actual review of Dragon Age 2 instead of just a review based on the history of the company and the first game.

http://www.gamespot....alclk;gamespace

8/10.  The way it should be.  It's a step back.

It's a reasonable review. I've not played the game but the reviewer sounded honest about the game pros and cons (not that it means that I will agree but still I respect the work of the reviewer).

But I must say that on one aspect I do not have to play the game to be against the reviewer. It's been since the time of BG II that fans, gamers and critics in general mocks Bioware because of their lack of originality in terms of storyline. "Bioware allways tell the same epic story of the hero who saves the world from the big evil".

Now, Bioware finally tries something different, more political and nuanced and they are criticized becuase the story is not epic and linear enough? That's not valid or consistent criticism imho. And that was the main cons reading the review.

[Xewaka]

Sabiancym wrote...
The fact that you guys jump all over me for posting this proves the level of fanboism here.
The game is a dumbed down version of origins. They "fixed" things that didn't need to be and in the process cheapened the entire series. You continually saying how amazing Bioware is doesn't get you any brownie points. Just admit the game is stripped and dumbed down.

The industry term is "streamlined". It's easier to get people to admit that term than "dumbed down", because "dumbed down", by association, makes people who like the changes "dumb".

Modifié par Xewaka, 08 mars 2011 - 05:41 .

[Night Prowler76]

G4tvs Adam Sessler gave it a 3/5 score, and he is usually spot on with his reviews. Im glad for this, maybe BioWare will admit their mistakes for once. Having a bad review on G4TV will affect sales of the game...

[Thoma]

I'm just glad I was able to (more or less) evade all the marketing and hype of DA II, I'd say this will be greater "new" experience compared to DA:O and ME 2 both having spoiler heavy PR and marketing.

Ok, now it's time to jump in! ^^

[IrishSpectre257]

I'll never understand the weight you people put on the number scores. That 8/10 says so much more about the game than... what the reviewer actually had to say about the game: That while he didn't think it was quite as good as Origins, is still a great game and worth our time to enjoy. That's all I needed to hear.

Modifié par IrishSpectre257, 08 mars 2011 - 05:47 .

[aridor1570]

Well, this review got me more excited, why? because he says the story is geat, that's all I care about really.

Now I can't wait anymore, damn you steam for releasing the game in 23 more hours, AND I'M IN ASIA DAMNIT!

(Yes, I'm going to cry about it until its released for me.)

Modifié par aridor1570, 08 mars 2011 - 05:49 .

[The-Sapient]

Sabiancym wrote...

The fact that you guys jump all over me for posting this proves the level of fanboism here.

The game is a dumbed down version of origins. They "fixed" things that didn't need to be and in the process cheapened the entire series. You continually saying how amazing Bioware is doesn't get you any brownie points. Just admit the game is stripped and dumbed down.

I don't think anyone jumped all over you because you posted the review.  They mocked the idea that anyone who says something you don't agree with must be lying. 

[Illthar]

Good (or great as 8.0 means according to gamespot themselfs) score! I bet the game is GREAT aswell, I for one do not think Bioware has delivered less then on previous releases....

This will ROCK!! (I think)

[Graunt]

Sabiancym wrote...

 An actual review of Dragon Age 2 instead of just a review based on the history of the company and the first game.

http://www.gamespot....alclk;gamespace

8/10.  The way it should be.  It's a step back.

Considering the majority of Gamespot's reviews over the last five years have been...not reliable to say the least, and they typically give games higher scores than they deserve (like IGN), that's actually not a good score.

[Wishpig]

Nice! The review says Oghren is better than Varric... I'm sure I'll love Varric, but way to go my red-headed hero!

I love the fact IGN says the game's choices and outcomes of them are lacking, but this review says the opposit. Opinions opinions...

Modifié par Wishpig, 08 mars 2011 - 06:01 .

[Veracruz]

So if a review says what you want, then it must be honest. Happy world!

I'm not judging the validity and/or honesty of the review with my previous paragraph. Honest.

[Monica83]

*Awesome epic music from DA2 trailer*
*at the end of video it comes the title: Dragon age 2 Epic Fail*

[Graunt]

John Forseti wrote...
So basically, Dragon Age 2 is to Dragon Age as Mass Effect 2 is to Mass Effect.

I think you may have missed the part where Mass Effect 2 was the superior game.  It doesn't appear that this is the case with Dragon Age 2, however I'll reserve my judgement for after I've beaten it at least once.  

My priority in a game anyway is GAMEPLAY, everything else is secondary (although it shouldn't look like a last gen game...*cough* Origins).  Even if it's a lot shorter and streamlined all to hell, if it's at least fun, I can live with that.  Especially because of how boring Origins combat was -- it made it really hard to replay more than once and none of the classes were actually any fun outside of the Mage.

Modifié par Graunt, 08 mars 2011 - 06:02 .

[SirFenRirXx009]

 Dragon Age 2. What a disappointment of a game. Removing most of the RPG elements and taking the rest and over-simplifying it, Bioware has taken an incredible series and ruined it. I felt like i was playing Return of the King for xbox. Its an action game. Big time button masher. No strategy, just matters how fast you can push the buttons. And abilities are less enjoyable now that you can use them all the time. The joy and beauty of using them are gone. The story is also gone. Weak and dim comparison to the first game. Way disappointed. 

[Chreleth]

Let's be fair, 8/10 isn't a bad score. Most game reviewers now overinflate their scores. Nothing should ever get 10/10, 9/10 should be held for rare, truly excellent games and 8/10 is a really great game.

[SirFenRirXx009]

Dragon Age 2. What a disappointment of a game. Removing most of the RPG elements and taking the rest and over-simplifying it, Bioware has taken an incredible series and ruined it. I felt like i was playing Return of the King for xbox. Its an action game. Big time button masher. No strategy, just matters how fast you can push the buttons. And abilities are less enjoyable now that you can use them all the time. The joy and beauty of using them are gone. The story is also gone. Weak and dim comparison to the first game. Way disappointing

[AlanC9]

FedericoV wrote...
But I must say that on one aspect I do not have to play the game to be against the reviewer. It's been since the time of BG II that fans, gamers and critics in general mocks Bioware because of their lack of originality in terms of storyline. "Bioware allways tell the same epic story of the hero who saves the world from the big evil". 

Now, Bioware finally tries something different, more political and nuanced and they are criticized becuase the story is not epic and linear enough? That's not valid or consistent criticism imho. And that was the main cons reading the review.

It's somewhat related to the criticism of ME2 for having most of the content unrelated to the main enemy, when ME2's structure is exactly the same as BG2's. It's OK to dislike both games for this structure, but to like one for it and dislike another for it?

I'm not sure what Bio's supposed to take away from this. Maybe they should just keep re-using KotOR's plot over and over again.

[Graunt]

SirFenRirXx009 wrote...

 Dragon Age 2. What a disappointment of a game. Removing most of the RPG elements and taking the rest and over-simplifying it, Bioware has taken an incredible series and ruined it. I felt like i was playing Return of the King for xbox. Its an action game. Big time button masher. No strategy, just matters how fast you can push the buttons. And abilities are less enjoyable now that you can use them all the time. The joy and beauty of using them are gone. The story is also gone. Weak and dim comparison to the first game. Way disappointed. 

The difficulty has been lowered across the first three difficulty choices compared to Origins, however Nightmare has been greatly scaled up in difficulty compared to Origins.  Stop playing on the lower levels and then talk about how it's a button masher not requiring tactics.

Let's be fair, 8/10 isn't a bad score. Most game reviewers now
overinflate their scores. Nothing should ever get 10/10, 9/10 should be
held for rare, truly excellent games and 8/10 is a really great game.

Notice, I already said that Gamespot inflates their scores, so in this case 8/10 is NOT good.  That would be more like a 7/10 if they were reviewing this pre 2005.

I'm not sure what Bio's supposed to take away from this. Maybe they should just keep re-using KotOR's plot over and over again.

That's fine, as long as they at least use different names, and more importantly; throw away the combat system -- oh wait, they some somewhat have...

Modifié par Graunt, 08 mars 2011 - 06:08 .

[cloudstrife070]

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

ralph2190 wrote...

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

G4 3/5 OUCH! 8/10 for a Bioware game is kind of fail imo... Bioware, did you fail us?

One their site, it says that the score is for the console version. PC version is still being reviewed, it seems.

Yeah but the PC version can get 4/5 at best... I can't wait for my copy to come so I can see what the f  Bioware messed up...

go see gameinformer reviw lol and see the pc version how good is it lol

[Serious Chicken]

I'm gladly surprised that GameSpot finally seem to be maturing, as an important source for game reviews.

I think this sums it up pretty well:

"-Main story lacks focus and drive"
"-Multiple elements have been inexplicably simplified over the original"
"-Combat is much less tactical."

If you go to the DA2 homepage, you'll mainly see review scores for the console version plastered all over - no wonder, they're the only ones giving the game anything above 7/10 or 8/10. It's all Xbox this, Playstation that. Pretty self-explanatory too.

Master Wade lost. Herren took over, destroyed everything and won his money.

[rlilewis]

Serious Chicken wrote...

I'm gladly surprised that GameSpot finally seem to be maturing, as an important source for game reviews.

I think this sums it up pretty well:

"-Main story lacks focus and drive"
"-Multiple elements have been inexplicably simplified over the original"
"-Combat is much less tactical."

If you go to the DA2 homepage, you'll mainly see review scores for the console version plastered all over - no wonder, they're the only ones giving the game anything above 7/10 or 8/10. It's all Xbox this, Playstation that. Pretty self-explanatory too.

Master Wade lost. Herren took over, destroyed everything and won his money.

Well that is just total trash:
"-Multiple elements have been inexplicably simplified over the original"
"-Combat is much less tactical"

Those two are not technical flaws its the reviewer's personal opinion so I don't see how it can be classified as bad because I think it is good. If something is purposely overcomplicated or isn't working well then why not streamline it?

[Siven80]

Choices matter, great writing and voice acting, great world, FUN combat.

All good points, an all improvements over DAO IMO. Not sure id agree with the less tactical combat though. Some streamlined elements to the game which i prefer so far.

All in all its a fair review, certainly nothing bad in it at all. Scores mean nothing at the end of the day as everyone has different opinions. Its the actual written review that matters, and its fine.

[DA Trap Star]

The part that disturbed me was when he said none of the characters in DA:2 are better than the companions in DA:O.

He says they don't make a big impression on you like Morrigan, Ohgren and Alistar did. Thats very disappointing.