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[Iwasdrunkbro]

THE FACT IS Bioware didnt learn anything from the FAILURE that was Awakenings. Infact, they build apon that which was rated so low instead of that which was rated so HIGH for god knows WHAT REASON and thats what were arguing about.

[AlanC9]

Jeez, Sabiancym..... look at your own quote there.You're declaring objective facts, not opinions.

Or are you saying that all the flaming somehow made you respond that way?

[Melness]

As a PC gamer, I don't understand why exactly people are assuming that its a port. The devs already stated that it isn't.

In case its still about the isometric view, its nothing to do with the platform, the problem is in the engine.

[Killer3000ad]

Hopefully Bioware will now learn that streamlining unnecessarily in their arcane quest to "get the COD audience" actually hurts long-time fans of their previous RPG efforts. Listen Bioware, RPGs are NOT CASUAL GAMING. Bioware reminds me of the dog with a bone who's crossing the river and sees his reflection in the water. He thinks it's another dog with a bone and opens his mouth to grab it and ends up dropping his own bone into the water. DA2 will still make money, but I hope Bioware listens to the cons being repeated by so many reviewers as well as to their very own community on these forums.

[Melness]

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

THE FACT IS Bioware didnt learn anything from the FAILURE that was Awakenings. Infact, they build apon that which was rated so low instead of that which was rated so HIGH for god knows WHAT REASON and thats what were arguing about.

Care to elaborate?

[Sabiancym]

AlanC9 wrote...

Jeez, Sabiancym..... look at your own quote there.You're declaring objective facts, not opinions.

Or are you saying that all the flaming somehow made you respond that way?

I've made a few threads here about what I felt the game was lacking and needed improving on.  I did it from the perspective of a PC gamer and mentioned nothing about console gamers.

I got called a troll and an elitist.


So it's hard to just ignore that and be all rainbows and butterflies with these people.  I may have took it too far just to make them angry, but it was hardly unprovoked.

[Sir Caradoc]

The problem is that developers see pc as inferior platform. For example if we pc gamers got out tactical battlefield camera, better controls options, better difficulty options etc all would be well. Instead we have to "suffer" due to console platform's limitations. Why not make these two versions different. If console platform requires certain feautures to be consolized, let them have them, but let us enjoy all the benefits pc platform offers.

Mass effect 2 case was quite similar. Mouse control was horrible and lacked accuracy. Controls were sluggish and clumsy at best. Furthermore while keyboard has so many keys compared to keypad we had no proper quick keys for weapon switching. JUST few examples.

[Melness]

Killer3000ad wrote...

Hopefully Bioware will now learn that streamlining unnecessarily in their arcane quest to "get the COD audience" actually hurts long-time fans of their previous RPG efforts. Listen Bioware, RPGs are NOT CASUAL GAMING. Bioware reminds me of the dog with a bone who's crossing the river and sees his reflection in the water. He thinks it's another dog with a bone and opens his mouth to grab it and ends up dropping his own bone into the water. DA2 will still make money, but I hope Bioware listens to the cons being repeated by so many reviewers as well as to their very own community on these forums.

Most reviewers don't like 2 things, recycled areas (a feature present in so many games, including old rpgs AND DA:O) and the plot.

Now, how does one discern between hardcore and casual plot?

But gameplay? 'Obvious improvement on the predecessor'.

[Static Jak]

WalterSobchack wrote...

Static Jak wrote...

Heh, we've got one side that's going on about how this is a major disappointment and how Bioware has fallen and all that malarkey and the other side is calling out Gamespot in any way they can since this is somehow a review tearing apart the game (hint: it isn't) while taking pot shots at those who have anything negative against the game.

Both as bad as each other.

I'll go with the Neutral choice me thinks
Honestly, not a bad game at all. And does improve on areas. Both story wise, it feels weaker and is just not as fulfilling imo. It's like in ME2 as well. The story is downplayed in the sequel from a big grand storyline that involves the galaxy to more of a skirmish in the sequel. DA2 is going through that same step.
Again, before some tries to tear my face out mentally from fan-rage, it's not a bad game, it's just more of a hit and miss overall for me.

Your attempt at putting forth a reasonable position for your opinion insults the internets.  Mods please ban.

Internets be damned!

[Salaciouschicken]

I looked at the G4 review by Adam Sessler, one of the fairest reviewers I think. He's one I and many others usually agree with as he takes everything into account. Him giving it a 3/5 will definitely hurt Dragon Age 2, and rightfully so. Bioware has lost all passion in their gaming and have been shortening development cycles to increase their profits. Lets hope it backlashes big time. Just like people don't respect a crappy movie but are astonished it gets great reviews, I would be astonished if this was more successful than the first.

[PhrosniteAgainROFL]

Salaciouschicken wrote...

I looked at the G4 review by Adam Sessler, one of the fairest reviewers I think. He's one I and many others usually agree with as he takes everything into account. Him giving it a 3/5 will definitely hurt Dragon Age 2, and rightfully so. Bioware has lost all passion in their gaming and have been shortening development cycles to increase their profits. Lets hope it backlashes big time. Just like people don't respect a crappy movie but are astonished it gets great reviews, I would be astonished if this was more successful than the first.

Yeap, I respect Sessler and I was waiting for his review. I was very disappointed when I saw 3/5... and I have to wait a few more days to play the game. ARGH!

[Tarrax Nightwind]

Sabiancym wrote...

So it's hard to just ignore that and be all rainbows and butterflies with these people.  I may have took it too far just to make them angry, but it was hardly unprovoked.

That's taken, not took. As for the rest of your many posts, we all heard you the first time. Repeating yourself doesn't really help your case. So go have a cry in the corner. I'll be just over here having an awesome time playing DA2. 

[Cutlasskiwi]

virumor wrote...

BDF detected in Gamespot's user reviews:

Graphics are awesome with full support of DX 11.A new and addictive story.
Better combat.Main character has voice acting.You can import saves from origins.Dont listen to Gamespot.

Or you know, someone who just liked the game..

[Gill Kaiser]

That review seemed quite reasonable, but I still find it quite amusing that the reviewer cited the change in the gift-giving mechanic as an example of unnecessary streamlining.

The gift system in DA:O was ridiculously shallow, except for the unique gifts, which is what they've changed the whole system to in DA2.

Modifié par Gill Kaiser, 08 mars 2011 - 09:21 .

[stu117]

zx2781 wrote...

The first DA was a BioWare game. This is an EA game. Milking a franchise for $.

This x1000000000

Bioware has not met their own standards with this Rpg bioware games are supposed to be great! this game passes with a C+ in my opinion

[skylr616]

Sabiancym wrote..

Take your favorite hobby or line of products.  Now have it changed completely based on a bunch of new people who have come in, and for the worse in your opinion.  You're going to be upset.

I don't know what you guys expect me to do.  Just say

"Oh hey, they ruined one of my favorite games...guess I should just leave and never play again instead of making my opinions heard in hopes of getting a better game later on"

Yea, no thanks.  I'm going to voice my criticism.  That's all I was doing at first.  Then I started to get attacked for my opinion.  I didnt say a thing about console gamers until people started calling my opinion invalid.

It seems to me that all the folks you have chosen to call "fanboys" are doing the same... they are just defending Dragon Age as it is now.

Your entire position could be perceived as an attack on their opinions.

Neither group here should be acting all butt hurt... there will be some great reviews and some not so great reviews for this game (as there were with DA:O... I thin I saw a few around 60/100 too). Some folks will feel betrayed because the game has "advanced" to a point where many of the "time wasters" have been removed (you see what I did there... made the same statement about how things were "dumbed down" and made it a positive... it really is that easy).

*shrug*

[RohanD]

This was an incredibly fair and honest review. He mentioned both good and bad points, many of the bad points were related to the removal of features that were not broken in the first place. Many of Bioware's fans echoed the same sentiments.

An 8/10 from Gamespot is not a great score. FFXIII got 8.5 remember? I did not like FFXIII at all.

Bioware, your fans since the days of your ground breaking foray into classic RPGs, really hope you are listening. The bottom line is, there IS room in the world for stat heavy, truly tactical, complex, classic role playing games. Dragon Age Origins was the return that many had been waiting for, and it scored a full 1.5 points higher on Gamespot than the sequel.

Let Mass Effect be Mass Effect, and let Dragon Age be the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate that you promised. It's the one and only reason why the first game is better than the second.

[Elevon]

I don't like the way Bioware is heading with RPGs for PC,its like lets make a simple console port ,dumbed down " hey they won't know the difference",what happened to those great complex RPGs we use to play years ago,do they think we get stupid with age?..

[WalterSobchack]

It's true that it ultimately just isn't worth continuing this. The console generation has become overly sensitive to legitimate criticism after enduring a couple years of continuous console-bashing. It's understandable, but silly at the same time. Enjoy DA2 for what it is, I say.

For everyone else who is disappointed at the direction Bioware is going, check out Witcher 2 and watch some videos. I think the devs there have the passion to make a great PC game that incorporates the console mechanics which actually make sense, but aren't sacrificing the entire classic RPG experience. I say this as someone who has bought every Bioware game on release date since BG, but cut that streak off after seeing the type of product DA2 is.

Peace out to all.

[Graunt]

WalterSobchack wrote...

It's true that it ultimately just isn't worth continuing this. The console generation has become overly sensitive to legitimate criticism after enduring a couple years of continuous console-bashing. It's understandable, but silly at the same time. Enjoy DA2 for what it is, I say.

For everyone else who is disappointed at the direction Bioware is going, check out Witcher 2 and watch some videos. I think the devs there have the passion to make a great PC game that incorporates the console mechanics which actually make sense, but aren't sacrificing the entire classic RPG experience. I say this as someone who has bought every Bioware game on release date since BG, but cut that streak off after seeing the type of product DA2 is.

Peace out to all.

Man, you just never quit with the melodramatic and pretentious hyperbole do you?  While you're at it, burn all of the consoles you own.  Trust me, it will help with those self-loathing issues.

Modifié par Graunt, 08 mars 2011 - 09:39 .

[FF7Geek]

I agree with the fact that Bioware should of stuck with the classic gameplay that made Dragon Age so succesfull, but can understand why they did what they did. They wanted to try out new ways of reaching out and bringing in new audiences. In some ways i think they also tryed to make a more action adventure RPG like uncharted for example, where your flicking from gameplay to cutscenes almost immidately, so you feel like your in a movie in certain ways.

Yes new changes sometimes dont work but it's all about trail and error, now they will go away and say right we can take this and put it together with this etc and take this out of the game, for either a patch or Dragon Age 3.

People shouldnt be discourage and think they have ruined franchise just because they were trying new ideas.

[Iwasdrunkbro]

Let Mass Effect be Mass Effect, and let Dragon Age be the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate that you promised

THIS is the quote of the year! Bioware please just let the people that are actually fans of the genre have their 1 game thats all we ask! We dont need Chris Priestly running around closing topics just because we disagree with what he believes with what the people on the site say all while preaching to respect each other's oppinions. People should not be afraid to voice their oppinions about a product because they might be banned. All mods on this site need to read this because its really getting out of control... but ive gone off topic.

Its good to be unique in this business and I seriously can not understand why you would choose to change something that got such a high rating and something that people actually enjoyed to attract an audience that has no want to play this genre. Please, with all do respect, LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY PLAY YOUR GAMES ..and not the people in the suits.

[skylr616]

Showtime.Chiang wrote...

Yeah...I'm quite disappointed with the simplified inventory, interface, and combat.

There are still some good improvements in other areas though. But it's just as Gamespot points out, why fix things that are not broken?

I can see why fans are upset. Some of these illogical changes translate to us as "being commercial", "trying to make the games more accessible to kids", "poor software management and design", and etc...

Not that any of those reasons are invalid or "bad", because really, if the company wants to milk cash, or to make the game simpler and appeal to more people, that's their choice, and they will reap their rightful rewards, and obviously suffer its risks and consequences as well. We really can't do much about it except giving them some feedback...but ultimately, it's their boss and their team that make the calls.

Nonetheless, the game is still very well made, and I understand it is very difficult to surpass an already remarkable achievement. I'm still having a blast playing DA2, going "wow" and "yay" just a little bit more than "awww" and "What!?"

Well stated... pretty much sums up my opinion even better than I could.

TBH, after a few hours of play I've actually come to appreciate not spending hours optimizing my parties gear (a change that I seriously hated at first). I've also found that this game is considerable more challenging and engaging in hardcore mode (many times better than DA:O ever was, imho).

The thing that really seems to be sticking with me is just how shockingly bad some of the textures are in DA2 (even in DX11, Very High)... just when I'm starting to get really immersed in the game a cutscene frames a door or something that looks like something out of Minecraft. I am eagerly awaiting a high-res texture mod.

On a side note... wth is wrong with these forums?!   *bangs head on desk*

Modifié par skylr616, 08 mars 2011 - 09:48 .

[Rake21]

The thing is, the review for it isn't that bad. Hell, most developers would kill/sell-their-soul for those kind of reviews.

What we ended up with, it looks like, is a damn good game from a team that we expect more from.