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[flesheatingbull]

i'll be preordering it. i'm loving da2 right now.

[UKillMeLongTime]

me2 is way better than me1 for me

[Tasker]

I must have missed the announcement where Bioware was sold off to Square Enix, as it certainly appears that they have created the next Final Fantasy game.

DA2 is the first ever Bioware game that I won't  be preordering or buying on day 1, and will rather wait for the inevitable ultimate edition in a couple of years.

Haven't decided on ME3 yet.

For me, Bioware are no longer the kings of the RPG.

[Whatever42]

ME2 >>> ME1. Would preorder ME3 now if I could.

Not sure about DA2 and DA1. DA2 seems pretty decent so far. I liked Gamespot's review because they clearly explained their biases. I don't share those biases so I might grade the little game higher in the end. We'll see. IGN also had a good review where they raved about the new mechanics being awesome but had the same complaints a GS about the more limited, linear story.

But ME2 and DA2 are very different games with different mechanics and different storytelling. I'm not really sure how you could compare the two.

[Alienmorph]

I've got nothing against classic RpGs... but was so fundamental spend hours in the invetory panel or drifting on completely desert planets for have the "free roaming" feeling? The strongest points of ME are the story and the characters... if they don't appeal particularry to you then don't buy the game. If you like them don't be a purist at all costs, buy ME3 and enjoy the epic conclusion of the saga.

[ShaggyWolf]

On the contrary OP, I approve of Bioware's design choices and will be playing ME3 on release day. Would be doing the same with DA2 right now since I have it, but I still need to finish awakening again for my 'perfect' import

Also, wheras you've never played ME2 more than once, ME2 is one of the few games I've played multiple times. Usually I beat a game and shelf it, Bioware's other games being the usual exceptions.

Modifié par Valadras21, 08 mars 2011 - 06:50 .

[SalsaDMA]

I didn't have an issue with ME2 compared to ME1.

I do have an issue with DA2 compared to DA:O, though.

I seriously hope DA2 is not a sign of times to come from Bioware cause that isn't something I would want to incur on my hopes for ME3.

[jeweledleah]

I'm hesitant to pre-order ME3 for now, because of some of the writing (and rewriting) choices I've seen in DA2. I will most likely end up buying it anyways - on sale probably, but I'm not longer in a state of mind of "must have it the moment available"

I like the game play changes. I think they are great. I have no doubt that the graphics, music setting is going to be fantastic. I'm concerned about story continuity. so I'm going into a state of mind where role playing is replaced by meta gaming and meta gaming doesn't have the same passion behind it, that role playing does. and that passion for the game is the driving force behind "must have now"

[Rivercurse]

OP, are you an RPG fan or a fan of games period?

It sounds like you're the former to me, and if that's the case then of course RPG games being stripped down in their sequels is going to upset you. Theres nothing wrong with that, but you need to understand that you are looking at it primarily from the perspective of a disappointed RPG player.

To the wider gaming public, theres no contest between ME1 and ME2. ME2 is the stronger game every day of the week, and twice on Sundays. The reviews bear this out, and so do the sales figures.
In a way its sad, yes, because it has been somewhat mainstreamed. However the lore that you said you loved is still intact and will always remain at the series' core. When considering ME3, don;t think of it as an RPG anymore if you don't want to be disappointed. There will still be some RPG elements of course, but if you went into the experience of ME3 looking forwards rather than back to ME1 then you would enjoy it 10x more I'm confident of that.

[Mynoot]

Bioware's story telling has gone done more than a notch. ME1 was good, not as good as Baldur's Gate or DA:O, but certainly good for this particular franchise.

ME2 was really more about the combat.

I have my doubts about thier biggest project to date because of this.

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

ME2 >>> ME1. Would preorder ME3 now if I could.

Only in game play. The holes and logic inconsistancies in the story really show BW is either getting lazy or cheap on hiring good writers.

Modifié par Mynoot, 08 mars 2011 - 07:00 .

[The Spamming Troll]

im with the OP. theres prolly not gonna be a ton of people with the OP since most of the ME1 fans are long gone, but theres still some of us that can only dream and hope that ME3 will be more parts ME1 then ME2. ive played ME1 50ish times, an all time great game ill continue playing untill someone else makes a game as good. played ME2 6ish times, and im done with it. there isnt one thing ill remember from ME2 other then niftu cal. actually ill only remember how dissapointed i was the first time i shot a gun, the first time i used an ability on a protected enemy, the first time i blew up in the hammerhead, the first time i had full paragon score and couldnt use charm, the first time i had to reload my weapon, the first time i had to refuel my holographic normandy, the list goes on.......ME2 is a disapointing sequal to a game that blew my god damned mind.

ME1 is a game made by geniuses.
ME2 is a poor attempt at a ripoff of ME1 made by whoever made gears of war.

i preordered ME2 with great anticipation. which was warranted.
ill rent ME3 on some random weekend. which breaks my god damned heart. it really does.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 08 mars 2011 - 07:02 .

[padaE]

ME2 is the best Bioware game to date and considering how it was a improvement over ME1 I can't wait for ME3.

[We Tigers]

The main worry I have is that ME3 will have the same major gameplay bugs appear to be present in DA2, especially with regard to import and decision flag functions being broken. Those are MAJOR issues, and launch day bugs of that scale are inexcusable. The deception around auto attack also bugs me; I'm going to be a bit more skeptical of every promise Bioware makes after they dodged this issue until it was too late for customers to do anything about it.

The games are great; I'm just worried about quality control, and this developer's new inability to be honest about it.

[AdmiralCheez]

I like what they did with ME2 (for the most part). Hardcore RPGs aren't my thing anyway. I don't care if a game is a masterpiece if it bores me to death to play it.

Same goes with movies, really.  Take, for example, Dr. Zhivago--excellent film with a beautiful score and spectacular acting.  It's very dramatic and moving, and has several underlying messages that really make you think.  Problem is, it's like four hours long with all sorts of needless blathering.  It heaps on the drama so much that it bogs down the story, and not once is there a "cool" or "funny" part to cheer up the audience.

Yes, it's a classic example of the epic genre in filmmaking, a genre that has all but died out and appeals to a very niche audience.  But it's an absolute bore and difficult to watch.  I got zero enjoyment out of it, even though I could appreciate it artistically.  Same goes with Gettysburg and Lawrence of Arabia.  Well, okay, Gettysburg was fun to watch and made me cry, but I can't sit through the thing more than once every couple years.

Movies like Mrs. Doubtfire and Signs?  I can watch those over and over.  Why?  Because they're short, have endearing characters, aren't too incredibly complicated, and have uplifting endings.

Art is important, but I watch movies and play video games to be entertained.  Lightening up on the more classical elements may make you feel like a game is less intelligent, but they make it less of a chore to play and add to replay value.

Your mileage may vary.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 08 mars 2011 - 07:19 .

[Knottedredloc]

I agree with OP. ME1 was much better than ME2. It seems the same tactics used in the EA-fication of the Mass Effect franchise maybe in play for Dragon Age. Instead of making great games, Bioware's focus seemed to have shifted to simply appealing to a wider audience regardless of how silly and shallow the games become.

[CroGamer002]

Modifié par Mesina2, 08 mars 2011 - 07:40 .

[stonbw1]

I am indeed growing concerned with the "linear" reviews of DA:2 for a particular point: BW, in my mind, has always focused on quality stories/atmospheres. Certainly in the last two efforts, it seems like BW's focus has been directed to gameplay. I have no objections to better gameplay, but my initial enjoyment to BW's games were for the stories and that choices/statements have consequences. That consequence undoubtedly took quite a lot of effort in the story writing aspect. I suppose it is no coincidence that as the stories have become less engaging, the consequences notion has virtually vanished. I'd guess that's EA's influence: to steer BW away from engaging stories to flashy gameplay since it reviews well and makes for good trailers. Unfortunately, I doubt I'll lose sleep due to anticipation on the eve of ME3's release like I did on ME2's. It's great to see newcomers to the franchise due to the gameplay; I just hope re-focused on what made BW renown: engaging stories for the role player.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Ha rip on bioware all you want no one else has as good of story telling in multiple series of games. Hesitant? I'm thrilled bought dao2 after work me3 I just can't wait too come out I'll go too the midnight release for that one.

[wizard07]

It will never cease to amaze me how people compare a game to its predecessor. Yes its based in the same "lore" but in its self is a completely brand new game. This goes for all games in a series. But to answer you, Yes I will get ME3 day one. Already have it payed off and will switch to a collectors edition when/if its announced. Would be playing DE2 right now if I didn't wait so long, not to fear will have it tomorrow.

[Khayness]

Well, the DA team is very different than the ME team, I still have faith in Casey Hudson and the bunch.

The storywriting is my only concern with ME3.

[Fat Headed Wolf]

No matter how disappointing DA2 is, a single facts remain:

They are two different games worked on by two different teams.

Just because one is a disappointment (and I'm not saying DA2 is, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate) doesn't mean the other is.

For example. lets say at a certain college both the men and women's basketball team are expected to go far into the post-season. Now lets say that the women's team is a let down and doesn't make it to the tourney. Does that mean the men will be a let down too? Of course not. They may be connected by name and association, but, in the end, they are two separate entities.

As for the other argument. I thought that ME2 was better than ME1, but if you smushed together ME1's story with ME2's gameplay, I would be a very happy boy.

[Whatever42]

Mynoot wrote...

Bioware's story telling has gone done more than a notch. ME1 was good, not as good as Baldur's Gate or DA:O, but certainly good for this particular franchise.

ME2 was really more about the combat.

I have my doubts about thier biggest project to date because of this.

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

ME2 >>> ME1. Would preorder ME3 now if I could.

Only in game play. The holes and logic inconsistancies in the story really show BW is either getting lazy or cheap on hiring good writers.

I could not disagree more profoundedly. Overall, the writing in ME2 easily outshone ME1. The only area ME1 beat ME2 was in the main mission story telling and most of tthe problem there was editting and mission design, not writing.

[Chewin]

So what if ME 3 sucks more than ME 1 & 2. I'm still gonna buy it. If I don't, it will feel like eating chocolate and then taken from when the last piece is still left. What, I like chocalate

[Mr. MannlyMan]

I blame it on the short dev cycle. You end up having to cut a lot of corners if you want the game to be polished by the time of release.

On the other hand, it's nice to hear that companion chatter was done well in Da2, which makes me hopeful that we'll see more of it in ME3.