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[shep82]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

shep82 wrote...

@Vyse_Fina your post is a bit long to quote but I disagree with all of it. I hated picking points for charm/intimidate in ME 1 much prefer the system in 2. I never do the Paragade thing I always in any game with a morality thing play evil, good in separate playthroughs.

the thing is your role playing a renegade and your role playing a paragon. some people wouldnt mind role playing how they wanted to as well. the only thing is ME2s morality becomes so scewed in late game you can only be one or the other, unless you want to miss out on doing what you wanted to do later in the game. its either paragon or renegade, or your screwed. to me, thats not a good thing in a so called RPG. you can have almost 100% in one of the morality meters and still not be able to charm/intim them. ME2s morality meter is nothing but broken.

i think its funny that most fans of ME2 are convinced theres more fans of ME2 then ME1. id say its about 50/50. if ME1 fans were such a minority, then why do you think theres such an uproard about biowares downfall?

also, everything terrorK says is spot on to how a ME1 fan feels right now. which is weird becasue  i always thought you were on the opposite fence as myself.

IBiowares Downfall? Because a few fans hate change? LOL. I am a ME 1 fan that felt ME 1 had alot of issues despite being a great game. ME 2 is better in all aspects IMO.

[Mynoot]

SlurpinTaxt wrote...

Mynoot wrote...

However, some of the idiocy I hated in ME1 were having your tech skills averaged out over the team, affecting your decryption or electronic, instead of your top tech being the one that handled the task.  The merry-go-round of bars when decrypting was dumb.

My gripe is the story and character depth dropoff from ME1 to ME2.

I had forgotten about that, definitely irksome, but a small issue in my eyes. The halfwit dialogue and plot inconsistencies are also my biggest problems with where the series went.

Yeah, it was small and the main issues with ME2 are what you say.  With the exception of Mordin, all the characters are tired cliche's with cliche dialog.

I am willing to except some plot inconsistancies for the sake of not having the story end because the Collectors decided to destroy the Normandy while shep and crew were on the collector ship, but really now...

How the hell do you bring decompressed, cremated ashes back to life? They really needed to think longer about that part.

I think EA is telling BW to forget story and focus on getting the product out.

[Mynoot]

IBiowares Downfall? Because a few fans hate change? LOL. I am a ME 1 fan that felt ME 1 had alot of issues despite being a great game. ME 2 is better in all aspects IMO.

This isn't about change.

This is about the player as protagonist being able to affect change in the game. To be able to shape the game and the protagonist's world. An example: Remember Rana from ME1 and ME2?  I let her live in ME1, but when I saw she was up to her old shenanigans in ME2, I wanted to kill her there but that wasn't part of the script.

Let's go back farther, to BW's beginning. In Baldur's Gate: Shadows of Amn, you could leave Jaheira and Minsc in their tubes and go off on your own or you could free them, but tell them you're not taking them or take them along.  You could could side with Bodhi or the Shadow Thieves, either would lead you to the same focal point, but the means, moral and loot on each path was different. People even went so far as to kill Drizzt to get his swords. In the end, you could choose to take over the role of God of Murder or not and your affect, while text only, did have an impact on the player.

Planescape is even more flexible than the BG series.

Modifié par Mynoot, 10 mars 2011 - 10:48 .

[Il Divo]

SlurpinTaxt wrote...

If you've played the entire catalog like you say, and have ME2 as your number 2, then indeed you have come to the correct conclusion.

Then I recommend you go back and take a few more courses in Critical Reasoning.  

Age is not a constant for maturity. There are 45 year old women wearing bootylicious ass prints, who plaster their rooms with twilight and justin bieber paraphernalia, and there are 16 year old wine conoisseurs in Europe.

And yet it was you who first introduced age into the argument.

ME2 is not in and of itself a terrible game, but with Bioware's pedigree, the game for me is unplayable. I look at the familiar characters from ME1, and can't help but remember the amazing dialogue and, keyword here, FUN gameplay from the first game. And with that in mind, ME2 just doesnt stack up. The gameplay is a grind. There is no reason to play this game when the original is superior in every meanigful way.

Ah, see you found Mass Effect's gameplay fun. I'm sorry, to hear that. I thought it was more akin to plucking teeth. But you're welcome to your opinion nonetheless.

All im saying is, if you liked mass effect 2 over mass effect 1, then you liked call of duty better than mass effect 2.

I'm afraid not. I loved Mass Effect 2 much more than Mass Effect. And I hated Call of Duty. Go figure.

Modifié par Il Divo, 10 mars 2011 - 10:54 .

[AlanC9]

Il Divo wrote...

All im saying is, if you liked mass effect 2 over mass effect 1, then you liked call of duty better than mass effect 2.

I'm afraid not. I loved Mass Effect 2 much more than Mass Effect. And I hated Call of Duty. Go figure.

We see a lot of that around here.

I don't know why someone who liked ME1 better than ME2 would think he's an expert on the tastes of people who liked ME2 better than ME1.

[Il Divo]

AlanC9 wrote...

We see a lot of that around here.

I don't know why someone who liked ME1 better than ME2 would think he's an expert on the tastes of people who liked ME2 better than ME1.

True enough. Apparently, because I actually liked Mass Effect 2, I must be an immature five year old foaming at the mouth.

It's somewhat ironic because if we to take this argument to its fullest extent, someone could instead put forward the opinion that Kotor was Bioware's last great creation and everything since then (including Mass Effect) is dumbed down for children. I'm curious to see how many  Mass Effect fans would rise up against such an argument.

Modifié par Il Divo, 10 mars 2011 - 11:10 .

[Mynoot]

SlurpinTaxt wrote...In the first ME, i could at least lift cover. In me2 its all nailed down. Feels like a step back, as do several other things like shared cooldown timer for abilities, and physical ammo.

Oh, I forgot about that. That was actually a double edged sword.

I can't count the number of times my gunfire was blocked against an opponent that stood up because Liara lifted the boxes they were hiding behind or one time when I died in Noveria when Liara blocked the way out of the room where you started the rachni extermination sequence.

Lol.

[Morrigans God son]

ME2 IS BETTER THAN ME1. ORIGINS WAS GREAT...DA2 NOT SO GREAT.

[InvaderErl]

AlanC9 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

All im saying is, if you liked mass effect 2 over mass effect 1, then you liked call of duty better than mass effect 2.

I'm afraid not. I loved Mass Effect 2 much more than Mass Effect. And I hated Call of Duty. Go figure.

We see a lot of that around here.

I don't know why someone who liked ME1 better than ME2 would think he's an expert on the tastes of people who liked ME2 better than ME1.

Very good point. I despise the Call of Duty series - I don't like Gears of War either, I haven't even played a shooter online in YEARS at this point.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 10 mars 2011 - 11:24 .

[Thompson family]

It's somewhat ironic because if we to take this argument to its fullest extent, someone could instead put forward the opinion that Kotor was Bioware's last great creation and everything since then (including Mass Effect) is dumbed down for children. I'm curious to see how many  Mass Effect fans would rise up against such an argument.

It's really not worth the trouble.

I respond enough to let the elitists know they get no free shots, but then ignore these threads after that. Adding to the replies only encourages this nonsense.

The changes to DA2 conclusively prove which direction EA and BioWare have chosen. All the whining for the "old style" will accomplish nothing.

[The Spamming Troll]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

SlurpinTaxt wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...


You're trying too hard. To be a good troll you can't be so over-the-top stupid and insulting. But keep practicing. Skill only comes with practice.

All im saying is, if you liked mass effect 2 over mass effect 1, then you liked call of duty better than mass effect 2. Nothing inherently wrong with that, just that your ruining it for the rest of us by telling bioware and ea that this is the crap you want.

The problem with ME2 is really something that is plaguing the entire industry, they are appealing to the new and emerging audience, the 5th 6th and 7th graders who want mommy to buy them a cool videogame thats not too hard, a videogame that will let them do cool things like go to a ****** bar and bang a talking gas mask. Its a giant middlefinger to the people who made bioware big in the first place.

Until bioware reasseses where their loyalties lie, they will not see another red cent from me. Maybe this is ok to them, so be it. Ill take my hard earned dollars elsewhere, to people who actually care about quality over quantity. Its sad really, Bioware used to be the little guy making quality games, now theyre a faceless corporation that couldnt care less.

I bet you ray and greg have never touched this game.

yadda yadda... you're still trying too hard. You think that your transparent trolling is going to cover up your transparent trolling? There are few very good trolls on these boards. I suggest you take notes. You're only embarrassing yourself.

actually, i think it looks like your embarassing yourself. your acting like one of the 7th graders hes talking about. i know ive surely noticed its the people in the ME2 camp that are acting beligerant and uneasy about the hate comming out recently. ive always felt this way and im glad more people are realizeing bioware is making games that arent RPGs and labeling them as such. i really dont know the purpose ME1 is supposed to serve after i played the subpar sequal in ME2.

shep82 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

shep82 wrote...

@Vyse_Fina
your post is a bit long to quote but I disagree with all of it. I hated
picking points for charm/intimidate in ME 1 much prefer the system in
2. I never do the Paragade thing I always in any game with a morality
thing play evil, good in separate playthroughs.

the
thing is your role playing a renegade and your role playing a paragon.
some people wouldnt mind role playing how they wanted to as well. the
only thing is ME2s morality becomes so scewed in late game you can only
be one or the other, unless you want to miss out on doing what you
wanted to do later in the game. its either paragon or renegade, or your
screwed. to me, thats not a good thing in a so called RPG. you can have
almost 100% in one of the morality meters and still not be able to
charm/intim them. ME2s morality meter is nothing but broken.

i
think its funny that most fans of ME2 are convinced theres more fans of
ME2 then ME1. id say its about 50/50. if ME1 fans were such a minority,
then why do you think theres such an uproard about biowares downfall?

also,
everything terrorK says is spot on to how a ME1 fan feels right now.
which is weird becasue  i always thought you were on the opposite fence
as myself.

IBiowares Downfall? Because a few fans
hate change? LOL. I am a ME 1 fan that felt ME 1 had alot of issues
despite being a great game. ME 2 is better in all aspects IMO.

a few fans? is that why this forum and dragon ages are filled with bioware bashing threads? ME2 is NOT a good representation of what a game labeled mass effect 2 should be. its more parts gears of war then mass effect1. when i bought ME2 i was expecting ME2, not a completely different game. ME2 just doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.

[shep82]

The Spamming Troll wrote...



a few fans? is that why this forum and dragon ages are filled with bioware bashing threads? ME2 is NOT a good representation of what a game labeled mass effect 2 should be. its more parts gears of war then mass effect1. when i bought ME2 i was expecting ME2, not a completely different game. ME2 just doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.

I disagree. ME 2 is exactly a step in the right direction and exactly the ME 2 I wanted.  I got what I paid for you didn't fine stop acting like everyone shares your opinion.

[The Spamming Troll]

but 50% of mass effect fans do.

[AdmiralCheez]

I agree with shep82--for the most part, I thought ME2 was an improvement. They overcompensated in several areas, yes, but at least they tried.

The only things I really miss from ME1 are squad armor (because Team Phoenix is the best) and the feeling of "bigness." But recent DLC has shown that BW is beginning to correct that (armor for Miranda and LotSB/Overlord level design).

but 50% of mass effect fans do.

Stats or it didn't happen.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 10 mars 2011 - 11:53 .

[Thompson family]

a few fans? is that why this forum and dragon ages are filled with bioware bashing threads?

TST, check you're own stats. You've had six replies to this thread and two others on exactly the same theme by yourself in the last 19 hours.

Mynoot's had seven. SlurpinTaxt's had six in the last five hours.

This is my fith post on this dead horse of a topic today, and I'm just replying because I don't what the whining to get a free ride.

It's all the same people saying the same things about the same topics. I haven't read a single new idea on this that I didn't hear a year ago. Believe me, if you think the boards are burning up after DA2 came out, go look at what we had when ME2 came out -- and look at all the good it did in getting BioWare to back up. I remember one day when I counted six threads on this exact same topic opening up on one day.

It's spamming, and even a casual look at these posts shows it.

[SlurpinTaxt]

Mynoot wrote...

Oh, I forgot about that. That was actually a double edged sword.

I can't count the number of times my gunfire was blocked against an opponent that stood up because Liara lifted the boxes they were hiding behind or one time when I died in Noveria when Liara blocked the way out of the room where you started the rachni extermination sequence.

Lol.

Hurr, I always made it so that I was the only one in the party with jedi mind tricks so i could feel special


In any case, I think the only reason people like the spamming troll and I bother to complain about Bioware's direction is because were afraid of what will happen to this great company.

I mean look at Squeenix and what they did to final fantasy. Once upon a time it was a pillar of the gaming world, but over the last decade, they raped it over and over releasing crap year after year. Bioware is on the same track with their rushed dev cycles and sub par dlc. I mean they announced effing dlc for DA2 before it was even released. A giant middle finger to the fans, and you have ea to thank for it

[shep82]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I agree with shep82--for the most part, I thought ME2 was an improvement. They overcompensated in several areas, yes, but at least they tried.

The only things I really miss from ME1 are squad armor (because Team Phoenix is the best) and the feeling of "bigness." But recent DLC has shown that BW is beginning to correct that (armor for Miranda and LotSB/Overlord level design).

but 50% of mass effect fans do.

Stats or it didn't happen.

I agree. ME 2 ain't perfect (no game is) but they got more right than wrong IMO.

[Il Divo]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

actually, i think it looks like your embarassing yourself. your acting like one of the 7th graders hes talking about. i know ive surely noticed its the people in the ME2 camp that are acting beligerant and uneasy about the hate comming out recently. ive always felt this way and im glad more people are realizeing bioware is making games that arent RPGs and labeling them as such. i really dont know the purpose ME1 is supposed to serve after i played the subpar sequal in ME2.

"All im saying is, if you liked mass effect 2 over mass effect 1, then you liked call of duty better than mass effect 2."

a few fans? is that why this forum and dragon ages are filled with bioware bashing threads? ME2 is NOT a good representation of what a game labeled mass effect 2 should be. its more parts gears of war then mass effect1. when i bought ME2 i was expecting ME2, not a completely different game. ME2 just doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.

If I were looking for a place to discuss/bash a game I did not like, I can't think of a better place than the Official forums. That's exactly what I did when Oblivion launched. It's not uncommon as you think. To my knowledge, the forums represent a very small percentage of the Bioware fan base, so as of now we are all just 'a few fans'.

Modifié par Il Divo, 10 mars 2011 - 11:57 .

[SlurpinTaxt]

The Spamming Troll wrote...



actually, i think it looks like your embarassing yourself. your acting like one of the 7th graders hes talking about. i know ive surely noticed its the people in the ME2 camp that are acting beligerant and uneasy about the hate comming out recently. ive always felt this way and im glad more people are realizeing bioware is making games that arent RPGs and labeling them as such. i really dont know the purpose ME1 is supposed to serve after i played the subpar sequal in ME2.

Thanks spamming troll, 7th graders are exactly what the block button was invented for

[The Spamming Troll]

Thompson family wrote...

a few fans? is that why this forum and dragon ages are filled with bioware bashing threads?

TST, check you're own stats. You've had six replies to this thread and two others on exactly the same theme by yourself in the last 19 hours.

Mynoot's had seven. SlurpinTaxt's had six in the last five hours.

This is my fith post on this dead horse of a topic today, and I'm just replying because I don't what the whining to get a free ride.

It's all the same people saying the same things about the same topics. I haven't read a single new idea on this that I didn't hear a year ago. Believe me, if you think the boards are burning up after DA2 came out, go look at what we had when ME2 came out -- and look at all the good it did in getting BioWare to back up. I remember one day when I counted six threads on this exact same topic opening up on one day.

It's spamming, and even a casual look at these posts shows it.

me simply saying ME1 is a better game then ME2 is considered spam? but you saying ME2 is better then ME1 isnt considered spam? you cant call someone elses opinion "spam" just because it differs from yours. like you said, im here for the same reason you are, to give my opinion. you can call it whining or whatever you want, doesnt mean im wrong.

Il Divo wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

actually,
i think it looks like your embarassing yourself. your acting like one
of the 7th graders hes talking about. i know ive surely noticed its the
people in the ME2 camp that are acting beligerant and uneasy about the
hate comming out recently. ive always felt this way and im glad more
people are realizeing bioware is making games that arent RPGs and
labeling them as such. i really dont know the purpose ME1 is supposed to
serve after i played the subpar sequal in ME2.

"All im saying is, if you liked mass effect 2 over mass effect 1, then you liked call of duty better than mass effect 2."

a
few fans? is that why this forum and dragon ages are filled with
bioware bashing threads? ME2 is NOT a good representation of what a game
labeled mass effect 2 should be. its more parts gears of war then mass
effect1. when i bought ME2 i was expecting ME2, not a completely
different game. ME2 just doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.

If
I were looking for a place to discuss/bash a game I did not like, I
can't think of a better place than the Official forums. That's exactly
what I did when Oblivion launched. It's not uncommon as you think. To my
knowledge, the forums represent a very small percentage of the Bioware
fan base, so as of now we are all just 'a few fans'.

i dont get the first response.

but about the second post, i would think its most loyal fans would be here. as a matter of fact id think its most loyal fans are the ones doing the majority of the complaining.

SlurpinTaxt wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...



actually,
i think it looks like your embarassing yourself. your acting like one
of the 7th graders hes talking about. i know ive surely noticed its the
people in the ME2 camp that are acting beligerant and uneasy about the
hate comming out recently. ive always felt this way and im glad more
people are realizeing bioware is making games that arent RPGs and
labeling them as such. i really dont know the purpose ME1 is supposed to
serve after i played the subpar sequal in ME2.

Thanks spamming troll, 7th graders are exactly what the block button was invented for

im confused on what this means. are you refencing AIM?

[SlurpinTaxt]

Na you can block users on the forum so their posts become invisble

[Whatever42]

SlurpinTaxt wrote...

Na you can block users on the forum so their posts become invisble

Yeah but you would just create a brand new account, like this one, to keep trolling. Plus, I like poking trolls.

[The Spamming Troll]

create a new account and give up such a sweet name? i think not!

actually i kindof regret this name. i was trying to mock the internets, but now everyone just assumes im a moron because of my name. although, they are mostly right.

[SlurpinTaxt]

I lold at your name when i first saw it, and i almost never actually lol