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[Quole]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

I'm actually pretty glad that DA2 is getting savaged in the reviews.  It'll make Bioware want to make Mass Effect 3 perfect after having one flop already.  I would much rather sacrifice DA for a great ME game and Bioware is going to need to be on top form for this last entry.  So if they need to delay the game to polish it, I pray to god that they do.

It is? When? Where? Link please. Not disagreeing, I just want proof.

[Il Divo]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

i dont get the first response.

but about the second post, i would think its most loyal fans would be here. as a matter of fact id think its most loyal fans are the ones doing the majority of the complaining.

You missed my point. Fans who are satisifed with the game are going to be less likely to come to the Bioware forums; they are content. Fans who were disappointed on the other hand are always going to be more likely to voice their opinions. Unless you have data showing that the majority of all Bioware fans thought that Mass Effect 2 was a disappointment, all we have to go on as proof of this disappointment are a few threads on an internet forum, which statistically has not been shown to account for the opinions of all Bioware fans.    

Modifié par Il Divo, 11 mars 2011 - 02:37 .

[Gatt9]

Il Divo wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

i dont get the first response.

but about the second post, i would think its most loyal fans would be here. as a matter of fact id think its most loyal fans are the ones doing the majority of the complaining.

You missed my point. Fans who are satisifed with the game are going to be less likely to come to the Bioware forums; they are content. Fans who were disappointed on the other hand are always going to be more likely to voice their opinions. Unless you have data showing that the majority of all Bioware fans thought that Mass Effect 2 was a disappointment, all we have to go on as proof of this disappointment are a few threads on an internet forum, which statistically has not been shown to account for the opinions of all Bioware fans.    

Actually,  there's no evidence of this at all.  It's an extension of the old addage that preceded the internet that "A happy customer doesn't return to complain,  an unhappy one does".  All bets are off on that premise in a digital age,  it's just as likely that the unhappy customers represent the majority as the happy ones do,  especially since you can't just return a game you didn't like to the manufacturer in many instances,  once sold it and the user become undefined.

[Gatt9]

Thompson family wrote...
Here's a bulletin to RPG Elitists: Nobody's impressed.

You can make a wonderful character and equip him or her with all the right accessories. Well goody for you. I've got an aunt who does beautiful needlepoint. Guess which, of the two, takes more skill?

Go back to your knitting, old hens.

When you're wondering why nobody is listening to you,  you should probably come back and reread this post.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Alright, so I'm gonna try my hand at this:

The big things I hear being complained about from ME1 to ME2 are the following....

1. Story
2. Inventory
3. Exploration
4. Weapons

1. As far as the story goes, I will pretty much agree that ME1's trumps ME2's in every way. ME2 was basically all recruiting. It didn't feel like it had the same urgency to stop the threat that ME1 had and certainly didn't feel as epic.... the SM, while it's one of my favorite parts of ME2, was a disappointment b/c of the length and the ease of making it out with everyone alive. Most squadmates and their unique abilities were wasted and that sucked.

2. The inventory.... good god, this I completely disagree with the ME1 elitists on... having a huge inventory, full of the same crap with different names, is not cool nor fun to manage. It's not like it was hard, just DULL. Besides, the inventory is STILL around. It's just on the ship now and split into pieces. The weapons are in the armory, the mods are in tech lab, and the armor is in the captain's cabin. Would I have LOVED to have had more weapons, more armor pieces, and customizable squadmate armor!? HELL YES (which I hope they expand on in ME3), but, like I said, the inventory is still there and actually IMO makes waaay more sense. I mean, keeping everything on your space ship and having to choose the right equipment before the mission... or having magic space pants with bottomless pockets? lol

3. Exploration... ME2 > ME1 ... while I like the concept of ME1's exploration better... (the landing on planets and exploring them in the mako) .... they are just all so dull. You land and EVERYTHING looks the same... even the damn bases. IMO, if they wanted to go this route... they shoulda made the game on more discs for the required space and made the landable planets vastly different from each other. The side missions and loyalty missions (notably Jacob's) had such a better look to them, that even with their extreme linear-ness (or w/e the word is) they outshines ME1's copy/paste formula.

4. Weapons: All they were in ME1 were copies of the same guns with a different name... THEY DIDN'T EVEN LOOK DIFFERENT! In ME2 they all look different from each other and some of them act differently than the others. The whole ammo thing... while it doesn't necessarily make sense after having the no reloading in ME1... it makes the game flow better IMO. In ME1 you could just run ahead and hold down the trigger and waste everyone in the room. In ME2, you can't do that, making it more realistic.

As for characters (I know I didn't previously mention this) ... I love the ME1 characters, Ashley is my all-time favorite bioware squadmate so far, but the ME2 squadmates became lovable in their own ways... they did have considerable less character development, I'll give ya that. Still, they were cool.

Add to these things the vastly improved gameplay and combat and that's why I like ME2 over ME1. Hope that explains our side a little better OP.

[Pinkslee]

Why would I buy a videogame? That's just stupid.

[Whatever42]

Pinkslee wrote...

Why would I buy a videogame? That's just stupid.

 I stole games when I was a kid and broke too. But when you grow up at get a job and the cost of a video game is only an hour or two sitting behing a desk then suddenly its not a big deal to support the game developers who make games you like.

[sympathy4saren]

Yes it has. Bigtime. I heard DA2 isn't even completed...the rest you must get in dlc. A rumor, but a legitimate and infuriates one. Also...be careful what you say on here...supposedly a player had his game stopped by EA for criticizing it. Scary stuff. It's a mess in the DA2 forums, go see what's going on

[The Spamming Troll]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Alright, so I'm gonna try my hand at this:

The big things I hear being complained about from ME1 to ME2 are the following....

1. Story
2. Inventory
3. Exploration
4. Weapons

1. As far as the story goes, I will pretty much agree that ME1's trumps ME2's in every way. ME2 was basically all recruiting. It didn't feel like it had the same urgency to stop the threat that ME1 had and certainly didn't feel as epic.... the SM, while it's one of my favorite parts of ME2, was a disappointment b/c of the length and the ease of making it out with everyone alive. Most squadmates and their unique abilities were wasted and that sucked.

2. The inventory.... good god, this I completely disagree with the ME1 elitists on... having a huge inventory, full of the same crap with different names, is not cool nor fun to manage. It's not like it was hard, just DULL. Besides, the inventory is STILL around. It's just on the ship now and split into pieces. The weapons are in the armory, the mods are in tech lab, and the armor is in the captain's cabin. Would I have LOVED to have had more weapons, more armor pieces, and customizable squadmate armor!? HELL YES (which I hope they expand on in ME3), but, like I said, the inventory is still there and actually IMO makes waaay more sense. I mean, keeping everything on your space ship and having to choose the right equipment before the mission... or having magic space pants with bottomless pockets? lol

3. Exploration... ME2 > ME1 ... while I like the concept of ME1's exploration better... (the landing on planets and exploring them in the mako) .... they are just all so dull. You land and EVERYTHING looks the same... even the damn bases. IMO, if they wanted to go this route... they shoulda made the game on more discs for the required space and made the landable planets vastly different from each other. The side missions and loyalty missions (notably Jacob's) had such a better look to them, that even with their extreme linear-ness (or w/e the word is) they outshines ME1's copy/paste formula.

4. Weapons: All they were in ME1 were copies of the same guns with a different name... THEY DIDN'T EVEN LOOK DIFFERENT! In ME2 they all look different from each other and some of them act differently than the others. The whole ammo thing... while it doesn't necessarily make sense after having the no reloading in ME1... it makes the game flow better IMO. In ME1 you could just run ahead and hold down the trigger and waste everyone in the room. In ME2, you can't do that, making it more realistic.

As for characters (I know I didn't previously mention this) ... I love the ME1 characters, Ashley is my all-time favorite bioware squadmate so far, but the ME2 squadmates became lovable in their own ways... they did have considerable less character development, I'll give ya that. Still, they were cool.

Add to these things the vastly improved gameplay and combat and that's why I like ME2 over ME1. Hope that explains our side a little better OP.

2. & 4.  have you ever played an RPG where you didnt have bottomless pockets??? an inventory requires that. also, when people say they want an inventory, im pretty sure no one wants reskinned guns with medigelling everything agian. we wanted the same, but an improvment on the same. why couldnt we have had similar overheating weapons, with modable attachments, with ME2s new weapon variety? i dont know how you can call the selection of weapons/armors in ME2 as an inventory really. sure theres a handfull of options, but 3 armors and a 6ish choices of a classes weapons options is all the inventory consists of. theres a bigger inventory in games like GTA and RDR. not too mention the absurd ways you obtain your weapons in ME2. i find the tempest by randomly stumbling across a random geth on a random planets random hallway. why wouldnt i have the tempest from the time i awoke on lazerouse station? even upgrading in ME2 doesnt seem "right." although i did like scanning things to the normandy, that actually makes sense to me instead of having bottomless pockets.

the story part is obviouse. if ME3 comes out and doesnt utilize the majority of my surviving squadmates from ME2, then what exactly is the point of me playing ME2?

[Whatever42]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Yes it has. Bigtime. I heard DA2 isn't even completed...the rest you must get in dlc. A rumor, but a legitimate and infuriates one. Also...be careful what you say on here...supposedly a player had his game stopped by EA for criticizing it. Scary stuff. It's a mess in the DA2 forums, go see what's going on

Oh hardly. The DA2 is totally complete. The DLC is free for original purchasers of the game - its there to encourage buying the game over renting or buying second hand and it side missions and toys, nothing to do with the main quests.

Real criticism is the reusable environments and that it all takes place in one city. You think 4chan was trolling these boards or something.

[InvaderErl]

SpaceDesperado wrote...

ME1: 2.39 million vs. ME2: 2.57 million.
I am aware that ME1 has been out longer, so I will show you the sale numbers for week 10 of the respected games:
ME1: 1.37 million vs ME2: 1.66 million. The amount of 360 owners between this is around 25 million more.

First of all VGCHARTZ is completely unreliable.

http://www.wired.com...hy-we-dont-ref/

read this.

I've looked and looked and I've never been able to discover aside from VGchartz where any of those supposed figures came from.

Secondly, any of the actual ME2 monthly figures  do not account for PC sales as the NPD at the time did not cover them. A market that ME1 had no access to at the time of its release.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 11 mars 2011 - 04:49 .

[SlurpinTaxt]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Alright, so I'm gonna try my hand at this:

The big things I hear being complained about from ME1 to ME2 are the following....

1. Story
2. Inventory
3. Exploration
4. Weapons

1. As far as the story goes, I will pretty much agree that ME1's trumps ME2's in every way. ME2 was basically all recruiting. It didn't feel like it had the same urgency to stop the threat that ME1 had and certainly didn't feel as epic.... the SM, while it's one of my favorite parts of ME2, was a disappointment b/c of the length and the ease of making it out with everyone alive. Most squadmates and their unique abilities were wasted and that sucked.

2. The inventory.... good god, this I completely disagree with the ME1 elitists on... having a huge inventory, full of the same crap with different names, is not cool nor fun to manage. It's not like it was hard, just DULL. Besides, the inventory is STILL around. It's just on the ship now and split into pieces. The weapons are in the armory, the mods are in tech lab, and the armor is in the captain's cabin. Would I have LOVED to have had more weapons, more armor pieces, and customizable squadmate armor!? HELL YES (which I hope they expand on in ME3), but, like I said, the inventory is still there and actually IMO makes waaay more sense. I mean, keeping everything on your space ship and having to choose the right equipment before the mission... or having magic space pants with bottomless pockets? lol

3. Exploration... ME2 > ME1 ... while I like the concept of ME1's exploration better... (the landing on planets and exploring them in the mako) .... they are just all so dull. You land and EVERYTHING looks the same... even the damn bases. IMO, if they wanted to go this route... they shoulda made the game on more discs for the required space and made the landable planets vastly different from each other. The side missions and loyalty missions (notably Jacob's) had such a better look to them, that even with their extreme linear-ness (or w/e the word is) they outshines ME1's copy/paste formula.

4. Weapons: All they were in ME1 were copies of the same guns with a different name... THEY DIDN'T EVEN LOOK DIFFERENT! In ME2 they all look different from each other and some of them act differently than the others. The whole ammo thing... while it doesn't necessarily make sense after having the no reloading in ME1... it makes the game flow better IMO. In ME1 you could just run ahead and hold down the trigger and waste everyone in the room. In ME2, you can't do that, making it more realistic.

As for characters (I know I didn't previously mention this) ... I love the ME1 characters, Ashley is my all-time favorite bioware squadmate so far, but the ME2 squadmates became lovable in their own ways... they did have considerable less character development, I'll give ya that. Still, they were cool.

Add to these things the vastly improved gameplay and combat and that's why I like ME2 over ME1. Hope that explains our side a little better OP.

This is a good post. My main concern with me2's direction was the story's exposition and character development, along with the voiceover quality.

In your second point, it seems as if were not really disagreeing at all. Ill give you that me1's inventory system was cluttered and clunky, but in me2 there is no inventory. You have to get on the normandy, get in the elevator, and wait for another loading screen to get to your armor closet. Gun shops dont sell guns, they sell blueprints (wtf?). Razorfist said it best, its like going into a doughnut shop and asking for a bearclaw and they hand you a ****ing recipe.

Your 3rd point is where i sort of have to draw the line. There is no exploration whatsoever in me2, unless you consider a citadel shrunken to a 1/16th of its size in me1 as fertile exploration grounds. And its still the biggest area to explore in me2

[Thompson family]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

me simply saying ME1 is a better game then ME2 is considered spam? but you saying ME2 is better then ME1 isnt considered spam? you cant call someone elses opinion "spam" just because it differs from yours. like you said, im here for the same reason you are, to give my opinion. you can call it whining or whatever you want, doesnt mean im wrong.

No, ST -- and you know better.

Saying it six or more times a day and then claiming that the forums are ablaze with unhappy customers is spam, and no, I don't believe you can't tell the difference.

Anyone can.

Modifié par Thompson family, 11 mars 2011 - 05:11 .

[Thompson family]

Gatt9 wrote...

Thompson family wrote...
Here's a bulletin to RPG Elitists: Nobody's impressed.

You can make a wonderful character and equip him or her with all the right accessories. Well goody for you. I've got an aunt who does beautiful needlepoint. Guess which, of the two, takes more skill?

Go back to your knitting, old hens.

When you're wondering why nobody is listening to you,  you should probably come back and reread this post.

Modifié par Thompson family, 11 mars 2011 - 05:14 .

[Pwener2313]

Thompson, that smiley is the best comeback ever.

[InvaderErl]

I appreciate how SpaceDesperado just puts his fingers in his ears and closes his eyes real tight when his argument comes crumbling down. I mean of course I must have wrote that article simply for this debate, surely.

And this one:

http://gamer.blorge....ales-estimates/

Or this one.

http://tvtropes.org/...p/Main/VGChartz

And lets not forget this one.

http://www.gamasutra...php?story=18919

All to the point that they had to try and defend themselves

http://gamrfeed.vgch...bers-come-from/

Here's another

www.examiner.com/xbox-360-in-national/why-vgchartz-isn-t-considered-reliable

Wikipedia for god's sakes won't even allow you to use it as a source.

Oh nevermind all that. I'm making it ALL up. Now why don't we put our fingers back in our ears.

Oh yes, that is a site BEYOND reproach.

How about this. Show me a SINGLE source for those numbers you posted that is not from VGChartz. Let's try that.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 11 mars 2011 - 07:04 .

[Pwener2313]

Great, he linked us to tvtropes, we're all doomed.

[InvaderErl]

YOUR SOUL IS MINE

[Pwener2313]

DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!

[InvaderErl]

SpaceDesperado wrote...
They are a legitimate site because they change their information so that the sale numbers for every single week is accurate to the actual sales figures that start showing up on NDP figures.

Except that NPD doesn't have sales figures for either ME after a certain point, so where did they get those all-time numbers? The NPD doesn't have them.

I mean aside from making them up as they go along.

And please, could you actually LINK to something? That would be nice. I mean I can say anything I want as well but I've at least tried to draw from actual sources.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 11 mars 2011 - 07:40 .