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[Alienmorph]

SpaceDesperado wrote...

...well it's clear that i am talking to the wrong bioware fans when i re-joined these forums lol. You guys realize that DA2 is based off one city? I even hear it also includes a lot of repetive dungeons on top of that... Mass Effect 2 was not a better game than the original ME in any way, maybe combat if they didn't take out looting and add in ammunition. The story was worse, name me one memorable experience in ME2 compared to the many in the original. The planets, missions, characters, atmosphere were all much better and memorable in the original.

The Citadel in the original game was the best setting/planet in any bioware game for me. The environment, characters, side-quests, and the general gain of knowledge you get from that planet was truly amasing. Also add to the fact that during your journey, re-visiting the planet gained you more quests and activitie to do. Now think of the citadel in Mass Effect 2... Thank god for Skyrim, atleast those developers realised there mistakes from oblivion and are trying to be more unique, immersive, and full of new RPG ideas and features. It seems like their seeking influence from their fan-favourite game Morrowind. However, Bioware now has no franchise which they can consider an actual, credible rpg game instead of "action-rpg".

You just talked with fans with different tastes than yours Actually... you answered my question. If everything in ME1 was so much more memorable than in ME2 then I don't think you will like ME3... BW said that they'll try to reach a better compromise between the Role-Player and the Action parts of the gameplay but that there won't be radial changes to it anymore. And story and characters are very likely to be the direct consecution of ME2's, so... well, I guess you can make the point of the situation.

[The_Illusive]

Chewin3 wrote...

So what if ME 3 sucks more than ME 1 & 2. I'm still gonna buy it. If I don't, it will feel like eating chocolate and then taken from when the last piece is still left. What, I like chocalate

Oh, you like chocolate Chew? How cute<3

[Elvis_Mazur]

Definetely not. ME2 and, futurely DA2, raised my expectations for ME3.

[Lucky Thirteen]

I actually hesitated to buy ME2 because I didn't like ME1's story. I actually blew off getting the Collectors Edition when I was offered. The only reason I ended up getting ME2 was because I did like the gameplay and I liked playing a female character in a sci-fi setting out to save the galaxy, even if the story was crap.

Turns out ME2 was far better than I expected both in story and gameplay.
I will not be passing up pre-ordering the special edition for ME3.

As for DA series, it's never really interested me even after trying the demo. I've always been a Sci-Fi nerd and have no interest in the Fantasy genre.

[Rune-Chan]

I am not hesitant in the slightest.

Mass Effect 2 may have changed some things that I liked about Mass Effect 1, but it also added and changed a few things that I seriously believed needed changing. As long as Bioware deliver on their promise of our decisions having consequences (which we were almost non-existent in Mass Effect 2 imports) then I do not have any other real worries about Mass Effect 3.

I am also looking forward to Dragon Age 2 very much (not out yet in the UK), the only negative thing I have heard is that the ending is rather poor, although that hasn't been said from every reviewer so I shall judge for myself on that one as I have liked many endings that others have criticised.

[candidate88766]

I fail to see how ME2 being slightly 'less' of an RPG than ME1 is an issue. RPGs are not necessarily superior to other game genres.

Mass Effect games have always been action-RPG games, designed to be cinematic experiences - Bioware's modern interpretation of what an RPG is. I think it has worked brilliantly. Besides, why should a game be confined to one genre? If taken as an RPG, it is more action-packed and fast-paced than most standard RPGs (incidentally, these traits do not automatically mean 'dumbed down'). If taken as an action game, it is far more thoughtful and immersive than most standard action games.

Yes, ME1 had more traditional RPG features than the sequel, but that is because Bioware had no real previous experience on action games in this console generation. For ME2 they had experience gained from the 1st game and were able to improve the gameplay, and branch out into new gaming territory (for them anyway).

OT: The Mass Effect games (yes, both of them) are amongst my favourites of all time so I am not at all hesitant to buy ME3. I cannot wait to finish my Shepard's story. Haven't played Dragon Age so that won't affect my decision.

[SalsaDMA]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

I blame it on the short dev cycle. You end up having to cut a lot of corners if you want the game to be polished by the time of release.

On the other hand, it's nice to hear that companion chatter was done well in Da2, which makes me hopeful that we'll see more of it in ME3.

Problem being, in DA2's case, the bugs on the released product showing that the game wasn't polished by the time of release.

So they cut corners and still didn't get a polished product.

[SSV Enterprise]

No. I loved both ME1 and ME2. Even if DAII turns out to be a fail, it was handled by a different team. I'll preorder the uber-edition of ME2 the moment it becomes available.

[Rivercurse]

SpaceDesperado wrote...
 however this does NOT make it a good RPG game.

You're missing the point.  It's not an RPG game in the traditional sense.  It isn't trying to conform to the standards your assigning it, nor the standards by which you are judging it.

I am sorry but don't say RPG games won't be the same anymore

There's no need to be sorry, I didn't say that in the first place.

[Iakus]

Hesitant after ME2? Oh yeah. Major reservations.

Hesitant after DA2? Unknown. Will comment after I've played it.

[Iakus]

Double post.  Move along, nothing to see here...

Modifié par iakus, 08 mars 2011 - 08:47 .

[Lunatic LK47]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I like what they did with ME2 (for the most part). Hardcore RPGs aren't my thing anyway. I don't care if a game is a masterpiece if it bores me to death to play it.

Same goes with movies, really.  Take, for example, Dr. Zhivago--excellent film with a beautiful score and spectacular acting.  It's very dramatic and moving, and has several underlying messages that really make you think.  Problem is, it's like four hours long with all sorts of needless blathering.  It heaps on the drama so much that it bogs down the story, and not once is there a "cool" or "funny" part to cheer up the audience.

Yes, it's a classic example of the epic genre in filmmaking, a genre that has all but died out and appeals to a very niche audience.  But it's an absolute bore and difficult to watch.  I got zero enjoyment out of it, even though I could appreciate it artistically.  Same goes with Gettysburg and Lawrence of Arabia.  Well, okay, Gettysburg was fun to watch and made me cry, but I can't sit through the thing more than once every couple years.

Movies like Mrs. Doubtfire and Signs?  I can watch those over and over.  Why?  Because they're short, have endearing characters, aren't too incredibly complicated, and have uplifting endings.

Art is important, but I watch movies and play video games to be entertained.  Lightening up on the more classical elements may make you feel like a game is less intelligent, but they make it less of a chore to play and add to replay value.

Your mileage may vary.

Most reasonable post I've seen for the past two days. Thanks for posting.

[Drop__Dea-D]

I most likely won't midnight release ME3, but ME2 was, in my opinion, a great game.

I feel Bioware can only go up at this point, they have built the plot, story, lore, everything needed for a spectacular ending to the Mass effect series.

And you already played the first two, so do yourself a favor and just finish what you started.

If your second guessing yourself, rent it and judge it for yourself when its released.

[Lunatic LK47]

SpaceDesperado wrote...
 If I want to play a good third person shooter, I would for example go play GoW or Vanquish.

Uh, except GoW has a **** story while Vanquish has the "STUPID HARD" difficulty just cause the gameplay demands it, not to mention I'm required to have reflexes of a hamster on coffee just to pass the Quick Time Events. I outright stopped playing Japanese games because of the heavy emphasis of QTEs after Resident Evil 5..

If I want to play a good hack-n-slash game, I would for example play bayonetta or Ninja Gaiden 2.

Uh, Ninja Gaiden's 3D games are outright **** because a lot of your deaths are due to *BAD DESIGN.*

[Vyse_Fina]

Oh come on guys, how often have we been over this?
ME1 had some more RPG elemets to it, felt like there was more to explore and had a better overall story (but the inventory sucked and so did constant need to switch weapon mods for different enemies)
ME2 had a better graphics, menus and indivual sidestories (but the way it tied into the overall ME story sucked and most missions felt like running along a corridor interrupted by fights every 500m)

Some elements were handled better in ME1 some better in ME2. With a little bit of luck we'll get the best of both worlds in ME3.

Regarding DA2: Without having palyed any DA2 I just assume that Bioware probably used some ME2 ideas in the development process of DA2. When ME2 was finally released and some of the features weren't as well received as Bioware hoped, it was most likely too late to change DA2's basic mechanics that much. Therefor you see a pattern in DA2 that is similar to ME2.
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[Phaedon]

Absolutely not.

I support the design changes in ME2, and although I haven't tried DA2 yet, I know that the dev teams are completely different.

[Silmane]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

SpaceDesperado wrote...
 If I want to play a good third person shooter, I would for example go play GoW or Vanquish.

Uh, except GoW has a **** story while Vanquish has the "STUPID HARD" difficulty just cause the gameplay demands it, not to mention I'm required to have reflexes of a hamster on coffee just to pass the Quick Time Events. I outright stopped playing Japanese games because of the heavy emphasis of QTEs after Resident Evil 5..

If I want to play a good hack-n-slash game, I would for example play bayonetta or Ninja Gaiden 2.

Uh, Ninja Gaiden's 3D games are outright **** because a lot of your deaths are due to *BAD DESIGN.*

Sorry, but Vanquish is the best third person shooter in..well, ever. It has very few quicktime events compared to some games out there. 

How is the GoW story bad? It's a macho man ass kicking story, yeah, but it's by no means bad. 

Ninja Gaiden 1 on xbox had amazing design throughout the entire game. NG2, however, was bad design, I agree.

On topic: I am not hesitant for ME3 at all. It's probably one of my most anticipated games this gen. There were some decisions in ME2 that I didn't like, but could easily be fixed in ME3. 

[theSteeeeels]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Movies like Mrs. Doubtfire and Signs? 
I can watch those over and over.  Why?  Because they're short, have
endearing characters, aren't too incredibly complicated, and have
uplifting endings.

lol! ok you go watch ur mrs. doubtfire and willy wonka

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Take, for example, Dr. Zhivago--excellent film with a beautiful
score and spectacular acting.  It's very dramatic and moving, and has
several underlying messages that really make you think.  Problem is,
it's like four hours long with all sorts of needless blathering.  It
heaps on the drama so much that it bogs down the story, and not once is
there a "cool" or "funny" part to cheer up the audience.

But
it's an absolute bore and difficult to watch.  I got zero enjoyment out
of it, even though I could appreciate it artistically.

so
you thought the score was beautiful and the acting was amazing, and you
found it very dramatic and moving..... yet you didnt enjoy it at
all..... ?? what ??

 you prefer to watch movies like Mrs.
Doubtfire because they are 'short and have uplifting endings'. seriously
? thats what entertains you?  anybody who is actually into their gaming or movies will look for far
more than that

[brightblueink]

Nope. I actually liked ME2 more than ME1 in terms of gameplay and since I thought of ME2 as a continuation of ME1's story rather than a separate story I thought the plot of the game worked rather well. (It helps that I know from experience that the second part of a trilogy often suffers a bit in the story just because it has to bridge the beginning and end.) Like other people have pointed out, DA2 was done by a different group of developers--and while I haven't gotten DA2 yet (don't have the cash at the time), I enjoyed the changes to the combat and dialogue in the demo so I don't think I'll dislike it unless they REALLY screw up the story.

Actually, I currently have plans to preorder ME3 as soon as I possibly can. ME2's changes to the combat bumped the game up to one of my favorite games of all time, and I'm really psyched up to see how the epic story will end.

[Funkcase]

They have been making ME3 since ME2, so it's been in development for awile. And most of the story was likely wrote during ME1.

[fmsantos39]

ME 2 was really awesome, is on my top 5 favorite games ever, I replayed it atleast 7 times, the story is great, the characters involving is so much better than in ME1, ME1 felt a larger game but ppl u think ME1>ME2 is ppl who have no taste for good games and don't know the difference between better and larger.

[Terror_K]

If the demo of DA2 is anything to go by regarding the full game, Dragon Age as a series will pretty much be dead to me and BioWare will no longer get a free pass like they used to. Regarding ME3, it'll largely depend on how things sound leading up to its release. If it really does just seem like ME2 all over again or slips even more into TPS territory and away from RPG land, then I'll probably just wait until it's dirt cheap. Another option would be to play it for a week and then just return it if it sucks.

[Pinkflamingo22]

WHAAAAAAAAA????? ME2 is the greatest game ever made!!! (actually it's in competition with RE4) Far better than ME1, and Dragon Age Origins sucked, i didn't finish it. I am currently playing DA2 and I'm happy they took after ME2, with full voice acting, better combat.

Just because a game is an RPG doesn't mean it needs to be pages of reading and horrible gameplay.

[petipas1414]

ME2 trimmed the fat from the original. DA2 tried to do the same, respectively.

One did way better than the other (obviously ME2 )