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[Telemachus78]

SpaceDesperado wrote...

I certainly am, don't get me wrong I was a huge bioware fan, I bought and played ME1, ME2, and DA:O, since day 1 release. Check out my gamertag, I even play the KOTOR games from time to time. However, even though i enjoyed the original mass effect and dragon age, mass effect 2 left a very sour taste in my mouth. It is the only bioware game that i own that i have not played through twice, and it probably will stay that way. I still bought most of the dlc's  because I am still in love with this great lore that bioware has created.

Now that we have seen how gamespot says that dragon age 2 has followed ME2 traditions with all the rpg systems stripped down to their bare minimum. I wonder since Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 2 were released relatively soon after the original games, obviously with EA's influence, if that was the ultimate reason to strip down all these crucial rpg elements like taking out free-roam planetary sections and giving the great Commander Shepard scanning duties. Now Mass Effect 3 is coming out, much sooner than probably any other bioware sequel...

So to that brings me to my main arguement, should we trust bioware to give us a fully immersive rpg game like the original mass effect, making it a guranteed first day purchase or will we get a cover-based third person shooter in exotic enviroments with minimum customisation options, making it a game that will go down to $20 in less than a year.

All of my main concerns for ME3. Glad I am not the only one.

[ShamieGTX]

I disagree, with OP im a ME1 Fan hell I loved KOTOR and I liked what they did with ME2 and I played the DA2 demo and I loved it, some people here I do agree with on the fact that you are not a gamer lover and more of a RPG fan and you are dissapointed that RPG elements are being ripped off as you claim, I personally dont care since the changes havent been stripped away since most RPG elements are there.

I do dislike that the inventory has been somewhat removed and everything that ME1 had was removed in ME2 as well yet I still say is an awesome game and I love it storyline wise it was A BIT predictable but awesome none the less and money well spent when compared to other RPGs like Fable which I totally feel like I was cheated on, just face it OP you are a dissapointed RPG player, theres no problem with ME2

[Spornicus]

Why would I be hesitant? If ME3 is anything like its predecessor, it's gonna be a great game.

[xTHExWARRIORx]

Hesitant to put a D in your M

Modifié par xTHExWARRIORx, 15 mars 2011 - 04:51 .

[ArcanistLibram]

The Mass Effect team has been consistently good. Mass Effect 2 improved over everything in Mass Effect except for the inventory, which was different but at about the same level of "good", and the ME2 DLC steadily improved. They started off good and keep getting better.

[Admoniter]

Don't get me wrong I completely understand that Bioware isn't going to go back to ME1 gameplay although I would sincerely hope that they atleast go back to a ME style story (i.e. one where the main story actually progresses the story of a series as a whole instead of the collection of side quests that is ME2.)

And while I will most definitely atleast play ME3 once to finish my Shepards story. Beyond that it depends entirely on which direction ME3 heads in. If it is more or less ME2 I will borrow it from a friend, and with the current development cycle that seems like the most likely option so I'm leaning towards borrow. But if Bioware surprises me, well then I might actually purchase it on release date.

That said as of late, I'm skeptical, ME2 IMO wasn't a good sequel, sure I'm glad locational damage was added, the production values are better, it runs better, the cut scenes are superior, but IMO mostly everything else suffered from the minimalist approach that BIoware took.

[Tasker]

Telemachus78 wrote...

SpaceDesperado wrote...

I certainly am, don't get me wrong I was a huge bioware fan, I bought and played ME1, ME2, and DA:O, since day 1 release. Check out my gamertag, I even play the KOTOR games from time to time. However, even though i enjoyed the original mass effect and dragon age, mass effect 2 left a very sour taste in my mouth. It is the only bioware game that i own that i have not played through twice, and it probably will stay that way. I still bought most of the dlc's  because I am still in love with this great lore that bioware has created.

Now that we have seen how gamespot says that dragon age 2 has followed ME2 traditions with all the rpg systems stripped down to their bare minimum. I wonder since Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 2 were released relatively soon after the original games, obviously with EA's influence, if that was the ultimate reason to strip down all these crucial rpg elements like taking out free-roam planetary sections and giving the great Commander Shepard scanning duties. Now Mass Effect 3 is coming out, much sooner than probably any other bioware sequel...

So to that brings me to my main arguement, should we trust bioware to give us a fully immersive rpg game like the original mass effect, making it a guranteed first day purchase or will we get a cover-based third person shooter in exotic enviroments with minimum customisation options, making it a game that will go down to $20 in less than a year.

All of my main concerns for ME3. Glad I am not the only one.

I feel exactly the same.

I've always felt that ME2 isn't how it was supposed to be ( despite what Bioware says ).

But rather, that although it still had several of it's game mechanics still missing, EA forced them to release it so that they could get some of their money back from buying Bioware.

To me ME2 screams unfinished, and I personally believe that at the point of it's release, Bioware hadn't finished most of the game mechanics and were forced to impliment a quick patch-up job to get it ready for the enforced EA release date.

Before the EA buyout, how long did Bioware take to make their games?  Some of them took a hell of a long time and were all the better for it.  I'm sorry but an RPG of the traditional Bioware style just can not be created in the standard crappy EA 2 year or less development cycle.

For me, EA and their restriction are the reason that Bioware are no longer top dog.

Modifié par Orkboy, 15 mars 2011 - 07:38 .

[Terror_K]

Failmaster9000 wrote...

I honestly loved both ME1 and ME2. ME1 had a great story and ME2 had a decent story, but a much better combat system. You guys havent even seen GAMEPLAY of ME3 yet and you are already judging the game based off of what you dont like from DA2. Be patient, guys!

It's more based off of BioWare's attitude recently and the way they're making their games overall. The games have lost their heart, maturity and integrity lately in favour of going for a more mainstream audience and this overall "simple = better" approach that is leaving their games feeling shallow, oversimplified and anaemic. Seems now they care more about just making money and getting their millions upon millions of copies sold by appealing to the mainstream gamer rather than making good, deep RPGs any more. As an old-school PC gamer and BioWare fan DA2 mostly felt like a stab in the back, especially after what the original was intended to be.

[CoolioThane]

SpaceDesperado wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...
Excuse me, I have pointed out several times that this "unprovoked" abuse I seem to be giving you is down to the fact you cannot accept people having different opinions. You are having a go at Thomson Family now aswell because he is not agreeing with you...

The reason you give for not accepting my apology is bollocks, as I can say the same **** about you, and how I have overlooked all your snide crap and been the bigger man in apologising...But in your eyes I guess you like to play the victim and so you would assume that whenever anyone is going against what you say you take it as a personal attack.

GTFO 

PS . You mention Thomson trying to Discredit the truth...is the truth your opinion on how ME2 is crap compared to ME1? Because shirley opinion is just that and not the truth...

I can't believe you're not even able to understand the conversation Thompson and I are having...

PS it has nothing to do with which game we think is better.

Grow up little kiddy and stop posting in this topic with an opinionated and irrevelant arguement people don't care about..

Atleast Thompson Family is contributing to this topic, even if it is for only half the time

An opinionated argument? What the f**k? Surely a lot of arguments are based on differing opinions. Ergo, my opinionated argument is causing you so much distress due to the fact you have an opinionated argument and are not really allowing anyone who has the opposite opinion to you say anything.

You say Thompson Family is contributing to the topic and then call him ignorant in your next post? Habitat also seems to annoy you greatly. The thing we have in common is that we don't share your exact view and aren't afraid to bring you up on the childish way you try and argue with your opinionated and irrelevant argument that bugger all care about.

More people like ME2 than didn't I believe, ergo all the GOTY awards and numerous ratings of 90+

Bioware did not make this game to cater to your needs, believe it or not, and can't say they did badly with said results from this fantastic video game. You may not like it, but I am not sure BW will lose too much sleep over one **** who starts crying whenever anyone stands up to his ignorant, arrogant sh*t posts that contrivute nothing to the argument at all other than make you look a cu*t.

******

[J0HNL3I]

*sigh* another one of these?

[lawp79]

I havent played DA2 yet, the reviews I have read have been pretty solid though the reaction on this forum is making me think twice about the purchase.

[Fredvdp]

I hope ME3 uses some of the innovations from DA2. I like the imrpoved dialogue wheel where instead of persuasion you can have additional dialogue options based on past experiences. The icons were a nice touch. I also very much liked how your companions were buidling friendships with each other. In ME2 your squad felt like a group of individuals rather than a team.

[RGC_Ines]

Will buy ME3 Xbox version right after it will be relase. Fact, that Dragon Age 2 was (for me) a very big disapointment has nothing to ME serie created by different people.

[Darth Death]

Dragon age is Dragon age...
Mass Effect is Mass Effect...
Two different teams...

Lets not intertwine the two.

[Durgon Ironfist]

Another post of self important disgruntled purists. Go back to your dank caverns in the hills with your original copies of Dungeons and Dragons edition 1 and leave the forums alone.

[HawXV2]

I'm more excited to get ME3 now. They did an incredible job with DA2 on just about everything. And don't ME and DA have two different teams? You purists are really acting weird...

Modifié par HawXV2, 15 mars 2011 - 03:42 .

[Lumikki]

Please don't use word "mature" or "intelligent" to descripe you liking of games as insult to others. Liking statical gameplay doesn't make players more mature or intellligent. Nor does it mean people playing steamlined games are less mature or intelligent. So, if you like to play football, does it cause you not to be mature or intelligent. Basicly I'm saying if you use tratidional RPG liking to mock other peoples maturity or intelligent. You are just showing what you self are.

Both games ME1 and ME2 aren't any different in they level of maturity or intelligent required. Even monkey could play both games.

Modifié par Lumikki, 15 mars 2011 - 04:16 .

[Il Divo]

Terror_K wrote...

It's more based off of BioWare's attitude recently and the way they're making their games overall. The games have lost their heart, maturity and integrity lately in favour of going for a more mainstream audience and this overall "simple = better" approach that is leaving their games feeling shallow, oversimplified and anaemic. Seems now they care more about just making money and getting their millions upon millions of copies sold by appealing to the mainstream gamer rather than making good, deep RPGs any more. As an old-school PC gamer and BioWare fan DA2 mostly felt like a stab in the back, especially after what the original was intended to be.

Aside from DA:O, Bioware hasn't really made a 'deep' RPG since Kotor. Even then, they just ripped the gameplay mechanics from DnD 3.0. Of their last five games, four of them have all featured streamlined mechanics: see Jade Empire, Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, and Dragon Age 2 (which still manages to surpass the first three in terms of depth). 

That said, I would hardly call DA2 simple, especially compared to either Mass Effect 1 or 2. Aside from the introduction sequence (which I consider by far to be Bioware's worst in their career), I found the game to be as good, if not better, than Origins in providing a deep, interactive storyline while incorporating some new innovative elements.

Modifié par Il Divo, 15 mars 2011 - 04:05 .

[Franzius]

HawXV2 wrote...

I'm more excited to get ME3 now. They did an incredible job with DA2 on just about everything. And don't ME and DA have two different teams? You purists are really acting weird...

It is incredible, people can be really extraordinary!!!

[MJimiD]

Durgon Ironfist wrote...

Another post of self important disgruntled purists. Go back to your dank caverns in the hills with your original copies of Dungeons and Dragons edition 1 and leave the forums alone.

Another post by an over-satisfied consumer who willingly takes the poo as it's flung toward him/her. Go back to your Carebear shrine with your copies of every piece of ****e ever made and leave the forums alone.

[Thompson family]

"Arrival" screenshots are finally dribbling out, and people are still talking about this old s***?

Get a life, people -- and that's coming from a fellow video game geek/addict.

[Euno17]

I'm not going to create a whole new post instead I'll paste what I said in another thread:

ME2 started us down a path which I believe will be continued on in ME3. Is that a bad thing? It's going to differ based on what you like but personally for me hell yes it's a bad thing.

The PROBLEM that I have with ME2 is that Bioware decided to completely take OUT some of the decent/good features of ME1. Why? Probably because EA had a hand in developing ME2:

On 2 March 2009, BioWare and Electronic Arts announced a new development  team for Mass Effect 2, set to work at the EA Montreal studio.(Link) The new team's main task was to supplement the teams already working on
Mass Effect 2, with around half of the team having worked on the original Mass Effect alongside other new hires. BioWare co-founder and CEO Ray Muzyka said the team was "really excited about it, and we think it's going to be a huge opportunity to tap into the talent base in Montreal while supplementing our existing teams in Edmonton and Austin, which are doing some great stuff on all the other projects BioWare's working on.

So why would it be a shock knowing that EA probably will have their people working on ME3? To even MORE of an extent?!

Usually companies (and even Bioware in the past) improved features on games - not completely remove them. I know it seems like a novel concept but it's how you make things better. However ever since EA came into the
picture: DLC CONTENT! Faster Gameplay! features removed, more streamlined (less dev time usually means more money for EA) blah blah blah.

it happened a bit in ME 2 (EA came aboard half-way through the development cycle).
It happened to a HUGE extent in DA 2 with re-used level designs out the butt, horrible combat (DW combat anyone?) etc etc etc . . .

Just to give you a few examples of things that could have made ME2 GREAT:

For starters:
Inventory: was it a bit clunky? Sure. Did it need refinement? Absolutely. Did it SUCK so much that they had to REMOVE IT? No. Had they improved on the inventory system, ME2 would have been an even better game. But of
course, why do that when you could take the easier route xD.

Landing on various Planets: They EASILY could have made this so much better. They could've added various elements and added a-TON of differences to make it more exicting to the gameplay. I loved being able to do it,
despite the reused level designs/huge maps.  I mean, I still remember landing on the planet with those damn monkey's! Evil bastards! lol. Not to mention all the of side-stories attached to the side-quests.  Instead
of adding into that feature they said 'eh . . lets make it easy for US AND for the gamer! Huraay!!!!!'

Instead Bioware (I mean EA) did this:

-introducing a new feature to scan planets for minerals where you spend EVEN MORE TIME (then we did in the first game when landing on planets) mining for pointless minerals and guess what?! You need it to upgrade
things so you have to mine for 10-12 hours! isn't that fun?! (And it's EVEN better because there is ALOT LESS DEV TIME INVOVLED *wink)

I couldlist more but I won't. The point is - ME2 is a classic console port and while it was a good game - it hardly beats ME1 in terms of what you could do. Hands down.

The question really is - will they continue on the path of ME2 (where instead of improving things that fans
liked but maybe felt the features could have been better, they get rid of them) with streamlining things and massive DLC content or will they go back to doing things like in ME1? 

Chances are ME3 will be another console port because that's where the big bucks are. I wouldn't
be suprised to see ME3 a very linear, corridor driven game where the combat is so quick and tactless that console gamers will 'eat it up'. Not much we can do about it either seeing how console games usually make
crater-sized- more money then PC-games.

Oh and DLC content WILL be a huge part of the game. There's nothing we can do about that.

www.youtube.com/watch

Last but MOST IMPORTANTLY: 

Deal with it people - BIoware is APART of EA - whether we like it or not! 

www.gamespot.com/news/6180818.html

Bioware SOLD OUT!!!!!!!

http://en.wikipedia....ohn_Riccitiello

Edit: fixed the stupid indention when pasting things into a new post.

Modifié par Euno17, 15 mars 2011 - 07:51 .

[shep82]

Euno17 wrote...



Just to give you a few examples of things that could have made ME2 GREAT:

For starters:
Inventory: was it a bit clunky? Sure. Did it need refinement? Absolutely. Did it SUCK so much that they had to REMOVE IT? No. Had they improved on the inventory system, ME2 would have been an even better game. But of
course, why do that when you could take the easier route xD.

Ok this I agree with to an extent. There is an inventory just not what some wanted. It needs to be finetunedd a bit.

Landing on various Planets: They EASILY could have made this so much better. They could've added various elements and added a-TON of differences to make it more exicting to the gameplay. I loved being able to do it,
despite the reused level designs/huge maps.  I mean, I still remember landing on the planet with those damn monkey's! Evil bastards! lol. Not to mention all the of side-stories attached to the side-quests.  Instead
of adding into that feature they said 'eh . . lets make it easy for US AND for the gamer! Huraay!!!!!'

I disagree. There still is planet exploration just not as boring as before and there is a story attached to those quests.

Instead Bioware (I mean EA) did this:

-introducing a new feature to scan planets for minerals where you spend EVEN MORE TIME (then we did in the first game when landing on planets) mining for pointless minerals and guess what?! You need it to upgrade
things so you have to mine for 10-12 hours! isn't that fun?! (And it's EVEN better because there is ALOT LESS DEV TIME INVOVLED *wink)

Speculation and total BS. 10-12 hours? at most I spent 2 hours on that. Much prefered to the old option.

I couldlist more but I won't. The point is - ME2 is a classic console port and while it was a good game - it hardly beats ME1 in terms of what you could do. Hands down.

I disagree.

The question really is - will they continue on the path of ME2 (where instead of improving things that fans
liked but maybe felt the features could have been better, they get rid of them) with streamlining things and massive DLC content or will they go back to doing things like in ME1?

I hope so. They improved on all aspects of ME 1 in ME 2 and the dlc was great.

Chances are ME3 will be another console port because that's where the big bucks are. I wouldn't
be suprised to see ME3 a very linear, corridor driven game where the combat is so quick and tactless that console gamers will 'eat it up'. Not much we can do about it either seeing how console games usually make
crater-sized- more money then PC-games.

Again I disagre.

Oh and DLC content WILL be a huge part of the game. There's nothing we can do about that.

www.youtube.com/watch

And the problem  with massive and exciting dlc is?

Last but MOST IMPORTANTLY: 

Deal with it people - BIoware is APART of EA - whether we like it or not! 

www.gamespot.com/news/6180818.html

Bioware SOLD OUT!!!!!!!

http://en.wikipedia....ohn_Riccitiello

Edit: fixed the stupid indention when pasting things into a new post.

I disagree.

[2kgnsiika]

KotOR: loved it
JE: loved it
ME1: loved it
DA:O: loved it
ME2: loved it
DA2: lovin it

So, no. Not hesitant.

Modifié par 2kgnsiika, 15 mars 2011 - 09:22 .