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[DxWill10]

In the end, more people believe ME 2 was a better overall game than ME1. Anyone who thinks otherwise should stick to hardcore RPG games and stop complaining

[Gatt9]

DxWill10 wrote...

In the end, more people believe ME 2 was a better overall game than ME1. Anyone who thinks otherwise should stick to hardcore RPG games and stop complaining

Could you please link us to your survey of every gamer on the planet that lets you make that statement with certainty?

What's that?  There is no proof?  Ah,  I understand.  Well maybe we can just refer to the sales figures then right?

http://en.wikipedia....360_video_games

Uh-oh,  turns out ME sold 2 million and ME2 sold 1.6 million.

Maybe you should stop complaining then?

[Evil Johnny 666]

Lumikki wrote...

Please don't use word "mature" or "intelligent" to descripe you liking of games as insult to others. Liking statical gameplay doesn't make players more mature or intellligent. Nor does it mean people playing steamlined games are less mature or intelligent. So, if you like to play football, does it cause you not to be mature or intelligent. Basicly I'm saying if you use tratidional RPG liking to mock other peoples maturity or intelligent. You are just showing what you self are.

Both games ME1 and ME2 aren't any different in they level of maturity or intelligent required. Even monkey could play both games.

You completely missed the point, the intelligence and maturity is about the game, not the players. Plus, that has nothing to do with the game mechanics, you're pulling words out of his own mouth. And as far as movie blockbuster goes, you can't argue that the most intelligent and mature movies are what sells most. Same thing for video games. Same thing for everything. It's not insulting people saying this, it's reality. Just look how everyone worshiped Inception, it proves how people are used to crap, how you only need to make things complicated a bit to make everyone loose their heads and shout "masterpiece!". Of course simple games and such are not necessarily bad, I like plenty of games/movies which are pure entertainment. But there's no question Bioware took the Hollywood road. ME2 is more pompous, more obvious, adds immature jokes and handling of certain situations, adds cheap plot devices for ****ty movie thrills, etc. Of course you can also see the effects of the overall change of design into the gameplay as well. Oh, and I will always find it funny how you seem to think any game can "evolve" beyond their genre and still belong to the genre - not saying ME2 is not an RPG here.

[CubbieBlue66]

I wont even hesitate to place my pre-order for whatever collector's edition they offer. If they can take ME2 as a base and we see even a portion of what they've shown in the Lair of the Shadow Broker and Overlord DLC applied to ME3...

I just wet myself thinking about that.

I just hope EA doesn't pressure Bioware to push the game out the door for holiday season. I'd have no problem with them pushing back the release date a year just to polish everything they felt they needed to. This game has a real shot at being the best I've ever played.

[Rekkampum]

This thread is still going?

[mgs00]

ME1 had an amazing story with crappy ass gameplay while ME2 had semi crappy story with amazing gameplay so in ME3 it should have amazing gameplay with amazing epic story.

[nipsen]

wizard07 wrote...

It will never cease to amaze me how people compare a game to its predecessor. Yes its based in the same "lore" but in its self is a completely brand new game.  

That.. was one of my main complaints about ME2 - it doesn't use the lore in the universe nearly as well as ME1. It doesn't really integrate the lore into the story-line, or draw on it during the missions, etc.

[CoolioThane]

Gatt9 wrote...

DxWill10 wrote...

In the end, more people believe ME 2 was a better overall game than ME1. Anyone who thinks otherwise should stick to hardcore RPG games and stop complaining

Could you please link us to your survey of every gamer on the planet that lets you make that statement with certainty?

What's that?  There is no proof?  Ah,  I understand.  Well maybe we can just refer to the sales figures then right?

http://en.wikipedia....360_video_games

Uh-oh,  turns out ME sold 2 million and ME2 sold 1.6 million.

Maybe you should stop complaining then?

Maybe that is because a lot of people who bought ME didn't like it...like a lot of people? Tbh, just because something sells more doesn't mean it is better. For example, COD sells more than everything and everything is generally better, Avatar sold more tickets despite being ****e

[Ray Joel Oh]

Gatt9 wrote...

DxWill10 wrote...

In the end, more people believe ME 2 was a better overall game than ME1. Anyone who thinks otherwise should stick to hardcore RPG games and stop complaining

Could you please link us to your survey of every gamer on the planet that lets you make that statement with certainty?

What's that?  There is no proof?  Ah,  I understand.  Well maybe we can just refer to the sales figures then right?

http://en.wikipedia....360_video_games

Uh-oh,  turns out ME sold 2 million and ME2 sold 1.6 million.

Maybe you should stop complaining then?

Um, maybe it's because you're citing wikipedia, but the link you showed says that 1.6 million units were sold of ME1, and 1.6 million units were sold of ME2.  And the citations back up that claim.  

That said, the "stop complaining" complaint comes off as whiney, particularly on a forum whose sole purpose is the expression of opinion.  Besides, argumentum ad populum proves nothing.


To contribute to the conversation, I am concerned about how soon they plan on shipping the game.  Mass Effect 2 came out 26 months after Mass Effect, and if they seriously plan on making it out by the holidays, it'll be an even shorter length of time between 2 and 3.  Reading about the results of Dragon Age 2's rushed production, I am worried.

Not going to comment on which game fans are more intelligent, as I loved both games, and such generalizations are not productive.  ME2 had pacing problems, and a weaker overall story arc, but excellent short stories in the loyalty and recruitment missions and better gameplay.  ME1 held you hostage to romance situations, and driving the MAKO over hills was ridiculous, but it had a much stronger central plot.  Am hoping ME3 will have a strong plot, functional exploration, great gameplay and a meaningful breadth of interaction with your compatriots.  Am worried that that is a lot to ask for in an ever diminishing development period.

Modifié par Ray Joel Oh, 16 mars 2011 - 10:26 .

[Mister Mida]

*grabs some more popcorn*

[Zulu_DFA]

CoolioThane wrote...

Tbh, just because something sells more doesn't mean it is better. For example, COD sells more than everything and everything is generally better, Avatar sold more tickets despite being ****e

Right, and ME2 was "the Avatar of videogames". Rrrright... Only it was "better written". Rrrrright... All team on shuttle!

[2kgnsiika]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Tbh, just because something sells more doesn't mean it is better. For example, COD sells more than everything and everything is generally better, Avatar sold more tickets despite being ****e

Right, and ME2 was "the Avatar of videogames". Rrrright... Only it was "better written". Rrrrright... All team on shuttle!

I see what you did there. So, one plothole invalidates all the great moments in ME2's story?

[FDrage]

ME 2 had its great moments and things they improved over compared to ME2 (specifically thinking of the settings, missions and a slight different approach to the main story line and the "firefly" feel it sometimes gave me) it also, for me, has some elements that were a step or two tooo far in my opinion (mainly related to the game mechanics (parts of the combat, presentation of inventory, some class aspects, etc. ... sorry C. Norman).

On the other side ME1 had moments where it was better the ME2 and I like both games very much for what they were.

My personal sweet spot for ME3 (I know I won't get them ... ) would probably be 2/3 to 4/5 on the way to ME2 in the areas I didn't like.

Edit:   Without knowing exactly which direction ME3 is taking mechanic wise I wouldn't say it is 100% guaranteed buy (should never be without any information) and of course me managing to ingnore ME3 marketing, I would say it is quite certain that I would buy ME3. 

Mister Mida wrote...

*grabs some more popcorn*

... you want some carbonated drink with it ...

Modifié par FDrage, 16 mars 2011 - 11:13 .

[Zulu_DFA]

2kgnsiika wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Tbh, just because something sells more doesn't mean it is better. For example, COD sells more than everything and everything is generally better, Avatar sold more tickets despite being ****e

Right, and ME2 was "the Avatar of videogames". Rrrright... Only it was "better written". Rrrrright... All team on shuttle!

I see what you did there. So, one plothole invalidates all the great moments in ME2's story?

Great moments? Like what?

[Kusy]

I'm not hesitant to buy Mass Effect 3 whenever it's ready. But that game and The Old Republic will form my future opinion on the company and if it follows the same road of dumbification and targets the console market almoast exclusivly just like Dragon Age 2 does, that opinion will change acordingly.

On the other hand - if TOR shows up to be a great game but Mass Effect 3 will be medicore, it will show one thing - BioWare and EA decided to send the best developers on a project that has far bigger expectations than ME and DA franchise and left the two projects to less experienced people (as we all [should] know, people who worked on games like Mass Effect, Dragon Age and KOTOR were transfered to work on TOR). I can understand this way of thinking - TOR will likely earn more fame / money than both those games.

Time will tell.

[Phaedon]

Gatt9 wrote...
Could you please link us to your survey of every gamer on the planet that lets you make that statement with certainty?

Majority wins.

[Julie the bogan]

SpaceDesperado wrote...

I certainly am, don't get me wrong I was a huge bioware fan, I bought and played ME1, ME2, and DA:O, since day 1 release. Check out my gamertag, I even play the KOTOR games from time to time. However, even though i enjoyed the original mass effect and dragon age, mass effect 2 left a very sour taste in my mouth. It is the only bioware game that i own that i have not played through twice, and it probably will stay that way. I still bought most of the dlc's  because I am still in love with this great lore that bioware has created.

Now that we have seen how gamespot says that dragon age 2 has followed ME2 traditions with all the rpg systems stripped down to their bare minimum. I wonder since Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 2 were released relatively soon after the original games, obviously with EA's influence, if that was the ultimate reason to strip down all these crucial rpg elements like taking out free-roam planetary sections and giving the great Commander Shepard scanning duties. Now Mass Effect 3 is coming out, much sooner than probably any other bioware sequel...

So to that brings me to my main arguement, should we trust bioware to give us a fully immersive rpg game like the original mass effect, making it a guranteed first day purchase or will we get a cover-based third person shooter in exotic enviroments with minimum customisation options, making it a game that will go down to $20 in less than a year.

I want to show you an article I found last year, so it’s old but still relevant to what you’re tying to say, basically the writer is saying games have evolved but he hasn’t. Hope this sheds some light on your situation.
 
 
 

“I'm the first to admit that I have very distinct taste in games. I stopped playing the X-Com franchise when it became real-time, for instance. I still cherish the dream that MMOGs could be simulations like Ultima Online and Star Wars Galaxies, and not massively multiplayer amusement parks like World of Warcraft. I liked Baldur's Gate more than Mass Effect.”

www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/publishers-note/7688-Publisher-Note-10-E-for-Everyone-Except-Me

[Lumikki]

Dragon age 2 is not following ME2 steps. I mean it's more close to ME1 than ME2. How ever, DA2 is still build under traditional RPG design, just very simple one. It reminds me more like some fantasy mmorpg.

I don't see any reason fear ME3 development. I mean what they can do?

I have played many Biowares games and Bioware don't usually get it wrong. Meaning most of they games has allways been fun to play. Just because some of they games are not perfect or traditional RPG, doesn't make any different. ME serie isn't traditional RPG, so why have any fear at all?

I can understand the fear for DA3 as traditional point of view, but not for ME3. If they make it like ME2, I'm fine with it. If they make it like ME2 + more RPG in it, It's even better. If they would make it how ever first person shooter or traditional RPG, then I'm not so fine with it. How ever, I don't think Bioware is stupid enough to do that.

Modifié par Lumikki, 16 mars 2011 - 01:42 .

[CoolioThane]

Some take the best of the games they play, and focus on how much fun they have. Yes, ME2 changed from ME, but in good ways. Some bits were taken out that some may have liked, but that doesn't stop it from being a fantastic game, just as things have been added that have made it better, or some, like the mining, that some disliked. Personally I liked it

[Whatever42]

Phaedon wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...
Could you please link us to your survey of every gamer on the planet that lets you make that statement with certainty?

Majority wins.

EA personally bribed every single one of those reviewers. Those user scores came from CoD fans. Bioware should only care about TRUE RPG fans. A TRUE RPG fan is anyone who agrees with me. All the rest of you are heretics and should be burned.

[Il Divo]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Great moments? Like what?

I'll bite. Reactivating Legion for the first time, watching Shepard blow up in the Normandy, meeting the Illusive Man.

[Vena_86]

I think the players should stop beeing so freakin' impatient and not pre-order a game long before there even is an indication for it's quality *cough*DA2*cough* and should think more about what DLC to buy and what to skip.
It is all the players spending their money so carelessly that lets publishers like Activision and EA rip them off so easily, at the cost of quality.

Modifié par Vena_86, 16 mars 2011 - 03:26 .

[Rekkampum]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...
Could you please link us to your survey of every gamer on the planet that lets you make that statement with certainty?

Majority wins.

EA personally bribed every single one of those reviewers. Those user scores came from CoD fans. Bioware should only care about TRUE RPG fans. A TRUE RPG fan is anyone who agrees with me. All the rest of you are heretics and should be burned.

LOL That sounds just like something they would say too. U forgot the misspelled words though.

[Alamar2078]

I think [from a story / plot standpoint] ME2 trailed ME1. However ME2's gameplay was miles ahead of ME1s IMHO so I played the crap outta ME2.

I didn't do a whole lot with Origins. IIRC I have all DLCs & Expansions with 2-3 complete playthroughs and all of the Origins finished.

With DA2 I just can't get into the game to save my life. I've shelved it for now and went back to ME2. I figure I'll get the wife to build a face for me and see if I can get something that matches what I'm looking for. Maybe that will increase my attachment to what's going on???

[Alamar2078]

Vena_86 wrote...

I think the players should stop beeing so freakin' impatient and not pre-order a game long before there even is an indication for it's quality *cough*DA2*cough* and should think more about what DLC to buy and what to skip.
It is all the players spending their money so carelessly that lets publishers like Activision and EA rip them off so easily, at the cost of quality.

This [IMHO] is the exactly what customers SHOULD do.   Making smart votes with your $ is the only real incentive you can give to "bean counters".   Honestly I was hoping to avoid this with Bioware but I guess I will probably have to lump them in with everyone else.

However I must admit they've already "hooked their sucker" for ME3.  I have enough of an attachment to the series that I'll probably buy the super-uber-ultimate-day-1 edition of the game.  Honestly this is the WORST possible thing a customer can do but I'm gonna line up like a lemming on Day 1 of ME3.