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[Whatever42]

Alamar2078 wrote...

With DA2 I just can't get into the game to save my life. I've shelved it for now and went back to ME2. I figure I'll get the wife to build a face for me and see if I can get something that matches what I'm looking for. Maybe that will increase my attachment to what's going on???

Just out of curiousity, how far do you get into it? I stalled on the game for several days because the opening is just so dull and Act I has a serious lack of drama. But after my Vanguard warrior got to about level 7 and I started rolling through some of the cool missions and getting into the conflicts between the city and the arishok and the mages and templars, it really picked up for me. It took a couple hours but then I got pretty addicted.

And playing a 2-handed warrior is awesome fun. Read the vanguard thread in class builds and give that a try!

Oh, as for faces, it took me a long time too. I found that the default faces have fixed textures and that if you adjust the complexion you lose the texture and I don't think they look as good. They also have different head-sizes I noticed, which can mess up the hair styles! So I pick a default face with a texture I like and build around that, not touching the complexion - I think it looks a lot better.

[Zurcior]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Tbh, just because something sells more doesn't mean it is better. For example, COD sells more than everything and everything is generally better, Avatar sold more tickets despite being ****e

Right, and ME2 was "the Avatar of videogames". Rrrright... Only it was "better written". Rrrrright... All team on shuttle!

Not a plot-hole.

And who said that ME2 was the "Avatar of videogames"?

[Zulu_DFA]

Il Divo wrote...

Reactivating Legion for the first time,

Left-hand salute

Il Divo wrote...

watching Shepard blow up in the Normandy

decompressed escape pod

Il Divo wrote...

meeting the Illusive Man.

Akuze.

Next?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 16 mars 2011 - 04:22 .

[Rekkampum]

Zurcior wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Tbh, just because something sells more doesn't mean it is better. For example, COD sells more than everything and everything is generally better, Avatar sold more tickets despite being ****e

Right, and ME2 was "the Avatar of videogames". Rrrright... Only it was "better written". Rrrrright... All team on shuttle!

Not a plot-hole.

And who said that ME2 was the "Avatar of videogames"?

Time Magazine.

[elfdwarf]

i don't Hesitant
i preorder game ,probably get something
i don't preorder game ,probably won't get anything
don't Hesitant, do something
dragon age 2 was worth every penny i pay.

[Il Divo]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Left-hand salute


decompressed escape pod

Akuze.

Next?

I'm sorry, was this supposed to be a counter-argument?

Modifié par Il Divo, 16 mars 2011 - 04:16 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Il Divo wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Left-hand salute


decompressed escape pod

Akuze.

Next?

I'm sorry, was this supposed to be a counter-argument?

Kind of. You said those plot points were great, and I pointed how they were not.

I actually don't think the plot of ME2 was inherently bad. If fact, I think it was good and solid in the beginning, when the main plot points for the whole trilogy were being planned out - including all the three you mentioned. But the execution and presentation of the plot in ME2 was so below average, all those little bargains with the comic-bookish super-hero style, unnecessary and poorly thought out "3rd person omniscient" cutscenes, all the "story vs. gameplay", "story vs. art" and "art vs. gameplay" segregation schizophrenia practically burried the plot. And then it took a couple of direct hits in the form of the crew abduction and the "suicide mission" plotholes.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 16 mars 2011 - 04:55 .

[Evil Johnny 666]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Tbh, just because something sells more doesn't mean it is better. For example, COD sells more than everything and everything is generally better, Avatar sold more tickets despite being ****e

Right, and ME2 was "the Avatar of videogames". Rrrright... Only it was "better written". Rrrrright... All team on shuttle!

I find that statement pretty accurate. Avatar is nothing but special effects, eye-candy and using age-old stories. Extremely glossy on surface, extremely shallow inside. ME2 at least doesn't solely consist of not-that-good-in-the-first-place age-old stories.

Modifié par Evil Johnny 666, 16 mars 2011 - 04:44 .

[Il Divo]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Kind of. You said those plot points were great, and I pointed how they are not.

I actually don't think the plot of ME2 was inherently bad. If fact, I think it was good and solid in the beginning, when the main plot points for the whole trilogy were being planned out - including all the three you mentioned. But the execution and presentation of the plot in ME2 was so below average, all these little bargains with the comic-bookish super-hero style, unnecessary and poorly thought out "3rd person omniscient cutscenes", all the "story vs. gameplay", "story vs. art" and "art vs. gameplay" segregation schizophrenia practically burried the plot. And then it took a couple of direct hits in the form of the crew abduction and the "suicide mission" plotholes.

Which is fair, but I'd have a much easier time of responding to your 'counter-argument's if you could use complete sentences and elaborate on those faults.

[Whatever42]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Left-hand salute


decompressed escape pod

Akuze.

Next?

I'm sorry, was this supposed to be a counter-argument?

Kind of. You said those plot points were great, and I pointed how they are not.

I actually don't think the plot of ME2 was inherently bad. If fact, I think it was good and solid in the beginning, when the main plot points for the whole trilogy were being planned out - including all the three you mentioned. But the execution and presentation of the plot in ME2 was so below average, all these little bargains with the comic-bookish super-hero style, unnecessary and poorly thought out "3rd person omniscient cutscenes", all the "story vs. gameplay", "story vs. art" and "art vs. gameplay" segregation schizophrenia practically burried the plot. And then it took a couple of direct hits in the form of the crew abduction and the "suicide mission" plotholes.

Actually, he said those were great moments, not great plot points. Meeting legion is not a plot point. Its a side story.

And the even some of your plot hole logic is odd and it certainly doesn't doesn't invalidate those as dramatic moments.

[Il Divo]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Actually, he said those were great moments, not great plot points. Meeting legion is not a plot point. Its a side story.

And the even some of your plot hole logic is odd and it certainly doesn't doesn't invalidate those as dramatic moments.

This as well. Shepard's death may have not been the most plot consistent moment, but the emotion which the scene triggered put all minor holes (Shepard burning in the atmosphere) to shame. To use a similar example, Luke/Han destroying the Death Star was a dramatic scene which was not invalidated by how ridiculous the actual destruction of the Death Star was in hindsight.

[Frraksurred]

padaE wrote...

ME2 is the best Bioware game to date and considering how it was a improvement over ME1 I can't wait for ME3.

Obviously you have not played the earlier BioWare games.  The elements that made this developer great are slowly being "streamlined" away.

Don't get me wrong, I love the ME univierse and already have ME3 pre-ordered... but I would still like to see a return to many of the elements much of the long term BW fans are complaining about missing in their newer releases.

Sadly, this will probably not happen as reaching a "broader audience" seems to equate building a shallower game.

[Alamar2078]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Alamar2078 wrote...

With DA2 I just can't get into the game to save my life. I've shelved it for now and went back to ME2. I figure I'll get the wife to build a face for me and see if I can get something that matches what I'm looking for. Maybe that will increase my attachment to what's going on???

Just out of curiousity, how far do you get into it? I stalled on the game for several days because the opening is just so dull and Act I has a serious lack of drama. But after my Vanguard warrior got to about level 7 and I started rolling through some of the cool missions and getting into the conflicts between the city and the arishok and the mages and templars, it really picked up for me. It took a couple hours but then I got pretty addicted.

I got bored very early in act 1 and haven't made myself get back into it.   [BTW you nailed it on the head!!]  I was playing as a warrior with a 2H sword and was investing in Vanguard "tree" IIRC.

And playing a 2-handed warrior is awesome fun. Read the vanguard thread in class builds and give that a try!

Oh, as for faces, it took me a long time too. I found that the default faces have fixed textures and that if you adjust the complexion you lose the texture and I don't think they look as good. They also have different head-sizes I noticed, which can mess up the hair styles! So I pick a default face with a texture I like and build around that, not touching the complexion - I think it looks a lot better.

I'll just try the basic default human look AND have the wife make one up and I'll see which one grabs me.

[Raizo]

Not really. I loved ME2 and I see no reason why ME3 is going to be radically different from ME2 given all the High Review score ME2 has recieved and all the awards the game has collected.

However I am hesitant about ceratin things. As good as it was ME2 did have it's faults and there has been no real acknowedgement from Bioware that they will address any of the these things.

[Rekkampum]

Il Divo wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Actually, he said those were great moments, not great plot points. Meeting legion is not a plot point. Its a side story.

And the even some of your plot hole logic is odd and it certainly doesn't doesn't invalidate those as dramatic moments.

This as well. Shepard's death may have not been the most plot consistent moment, but the emotion which the scene triggered put all minor holes (Shepard burning in the atmosphere) to shame. To use a similar example, Luke/Han destroying the Death Star was a dramatic scene which was not invalidated by how ridiculous the actual destruction of the Death Star was in hindsight.

How is Shepard burning when he's entering the neighboring planet's atmosphere at an unstable angle not "consistent"?

[Evil Johnny 666]

Rekkampum wrote...

How is Shepard burning when he's entering the neighboring planet's atmosphere at an unstable angle not "consistent"?

He should've disintegrated.


I can't understand how anyone thought Shepard's death was remotely good or well done. It's what Micheal Bay woul've done. It's pure cinematic crap. Everyone knew he wouldn't really die anyway.

[Il Divo]

Rekkampum wrote...

How is Shepard burning when he's entering the neighboring planet's atmosphere at an unstable angle not "consistent"?

The point is that it was not consistent, but that didn't bother me. I just watched my main character and ship (which was with me all through the original) become utterly destroyed. This is a good example where I found shock value to have great weight.

[Rekkampum]

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

How is Shepard burning when he's entering the neighboring planet's atmosphere at an unstable angle not "consistent"?

He should've disintegrated.


I can't understand how anyone thought Shepard's death was remotely good or well done. It's what Micheal Bay woul've done. It's pure cinematic crap. Everyone knew he wouldn't really die anyway.

Got u. I thought the plot hole was suggesting that he shouldn't. But we have never tested this in real life though, so it is fun to speculate, and he was on the *dark side* of the planet so theoretically, provided a sufficient deus ex machina - i.e. the quality of his space suit, the remains of his body *could* be salvageable.

Also must disagree about the Michael Bay comment. Shepard would not have died if Bay were directing. He would have used a scrap of tthe Normandy's hull to repel the Collector beams and destroy the ship's cannon, then discover a secret contraption inside the Normandy that he could use to hijack the Collector Ship and escape safely to the Citadel.

Modifié par Rekkampum, 16 mars 2011 - 06:10 .

[Vyse_Fina]

*edit*

nevermind

Modifié par Vyse_Fina, 17 mars 2011 - 08:30 .

[Rekkampum]

Vyse_Fina wrote...
 Did you do the same with ME2? Is that why it is rated so high on Metacritic? Sereiously, that move was lower than a snake's balls. 

Why don't you research all the critics who reviewed ME 2 like the individual in your link did and see for yourself. Pointless rhetorical questions don't add anything to the discussion, especially when they are false.

Can we please have a conversation about ME 3 in the context of this topic that doesn't spill into a DA 2 or EA rant? 

[Whatever42]

Stop trolling Yvse. That was one techie (not even a dev) who posted a review on a site on which he was perfectly entitled to post reviews.There is zero evidence that anyone put him up to it.

Not to mention, the user reviews on IGN and Gamespot number over 8700 so I doubt a few Bioware employees could skew those scores.

What is it with such bitterness? You guys are like sharks at a feeding frenzy right now.

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 16 mars 2011 - 06:38 .

[CoolioThane]

How is Mass Effect 2 the Avatar of video games?

a) It is not sh*t
The story was good, and as mentioned before, not a rehash of Pocahontas
c) IT WAS FANTASTIC

It is sci-fi though Some people in the media are retarded...quite a few...a lot?

[pharos_gryphon]

Actually after DA2 I'm MORE likely to buy ME3. One of my biggest gripes with ME2 was the lack of both party banter, and scenes of party members interacting with one another. Seeing how much they worked this in and took it beyond even DA:O made me extremely happy and made for a much more cohesive feeling group, and a more immersive experience.

[Vyse_Fina]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...
What is it with such bitterness? You guys are like sharks at a feeding frenzy right now.

Matter of trust and losing it I'd say. I admit I only read the article without checking the amounts of reviews, but stuff like that still makes me wonder if those were only two people doing this in private or the only two who got caught because they didn't bother changing their name. I guess I jumped to conclusions though and probably were a bit hasty posting it. The possibility still honestly bothers me, or rather the fact that you can't put it beyond Bioware (/EA) anymore that those weren't the only two by far.

Modifié par Vyse_Fina, 16 mars 2011 - 06:50 .

[Jonas TM]

Not even a little. 

DA2 has it's problems but overall i enjoyed it more than Origins, which I could never finish.  ME2, was amazing.  Sure the inventory and planets were simplified, but the improvements were numerous.  I'll be preordering the collector's edition of ME3.

This fear-mongerging stuff as a result of DA2 seriously needs to chill.  DA2 was rushed out about 3 month early.  I don't see that being the case with ME3, it will have had nearly 2 years in development when it arrives.