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[Rekkampum]

CoolioThane wrote...

How is Mass Effect 2 the Avatar of video games?

a) It is not sh*t
The story was good, and as mentioned before, not a rehash of Pocahontas
c) IT WAS FANTASTIC

It is sci-fi though Some people in the media are retarded...quite a few...a lot?

I think the answer is d) all of the above. 

Seriously though, it is an accomplishment for prominent magazines like Time - I've read their stuff for quite some time - to even recognize a videogame in their lists, and even mags like Rollingstone are starting to review and feature segments on games now. They're finally getting the kind of exposure that goes beyond the typical nerd/fanzoid stereotype.

Also, "retarded" or autistic =/= stupid, so I'd advise you to be more careful in your choice of words. 

[Franzius]

The fact said that ME3 will be "ME2 part 2" and quite rushed.
The development time is inferior to 2 years so the hopes to see improvment over ME2 are ZERO.
Again it will be ME2 with some more bugs (they have to optimize the game for 3 platform this time!!!).

This means only one thing to me: I will take ME3 long after its release, only when it will be super discounted.

[Gatt9]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Stop trolling Yvse. That was one techie (not even a dev) who posted a review on a site on which he was perfectly entitled to post reviews.There is zero evidence that anyone put him up to it.

Not to mention, the user reviews on IGN and Gamespot number over 8700 so I doubt a few Bioware employees could skew those scores.

What is it with such bitterness? You guys are like sharks at a feeding frenzy right now.

Two points.

1.  Evidence indicates it's more than one Bioware employee
2.  There are a variety of laws which it's quite possible this breaks.  FCC,  SEC,  EU.  Disclosure is a legal requirement in many countries,  something Sony learned when they used a pseudonym to write reviews without disclosing and ended up fined.

How is Mass Effect 2 the Avatar of video games?

1.  Claims it's an RPG but it's gameplay is actually that of a TPS
2.  With AI from the mid 90's
3.  A dodgy story that often contradicts itself or makes no sense
4.  Obscenely boring mechanics like planet scanning
5.  The whole thing is on rails

I can keep going if you want.  You like it,  that's cool,  but it's definitely not the "Avatar" of gaming,  nor even amongst the best games ever made. 

[Evil Johnny 666]

[quote]Rekkampum wrote...

[quote]Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

He should've disintegrated.


I can't understand how anyone thought Shepard's death was remotely good or well done. It's what Micheal Bay woul've done. It's pure cinematic crap. Everyone knew he wouldn't really die anyway.

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Got u. I thought the plot hole was suggesting that he shouldn't. But we have never tested this in real life though, so it is fun to speculate, and he was on the *dark side* of the planet so theoretically, provided a sufficient deus ex machina - i.e. the quality of his space suit, the remains of his body *could* be salvageable.[/quote]

I have my doubts. The gravitational pull would've been far too great, the acceleration and speed would get ridiculous in time, and only dust would've been left. His helmet certainly wouldn't have been in one peace, and the Normandy in far more pieces at the very least.

Also must disagree about the Michael Bay comment. Shepard would not have died if Bay were directing. He would have used a scrap of tthe Normandy's hull to repel the Collector beams and destroy the ship's cannon, then discover a secret contraption inside the Normandy that he could use to hijack the Collector Ship and escape safely to the Citadel.

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[quote]Rekkampum wrote...

Also must disagree about the Michael
Bay comment. Shepard would not have died if Bay were directing. He would
have used a scrap of tthe Normandy's hull to repel the Collector beams
and destroy the ship's cannon, then discover a secret contraption inside
the Normandy that he could use to hijack the Collector Ship and escape
safely to the Citadel.

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hahaha, yeah I kind of agree. What I meant is in the way it was done, it was far too "Hollywoody".

Modifié par Evil Johnny 666, 16 mars 2011 - 07:15 .

[tfive24]

Yes, I will look a lot harder at ME3 after DA2. I play on the 360, so i'm not a pc elitist as some poster say. When I played ME2, some of the changes didn't not bother me so much. I like to switch out and customize my characters. I don't like them to have the same thing on all the time. After playing the DA2 demo and watching this game on different stream, Bioware will not get a free pass from me after DA2. I don't understand this opening up the game for people who wouldn't like rpg anyway.

[Rekkampum]

Gatt9 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Stop trolling Yvse. That was one techie (not even a dev) who posted a review on a site on which he was perfectly entitled to post reviews.There is zero evidence that anyone put him up to it.

Not to mention, the user reviews on IGN and Gamespot number over 8700 so I doubt a few Bioware employees could skew those scores.

What is it with such bitterness? You guys are like sharks at a feeding frenzy right now.

Two points.

1.  Evidence indicates it's more than one Bioware employee
2.  There are a variety of laws which it's quite possible this breaks.  FCC,  SEC,  EU.  Disclosure is a legal requirement in many countries,  something Sony learned when they used a pseudonym to write reviews without disclosing and ended up fined.

How is Mass Effect 2 the Avatar of video games?

1.  Claims it's an RPG but it's gameplay is actually that of a TPS
2.  With AI from the mid 90's
3.  A dodgy story that often contradicts itself or makes no sense
4.  Obscenely boring mechanics like planet scanning
5.  The whole thing is on rails

I can keep going if you want.  You like it,  that's cool,  but it's definitely not the "Avatar" of gaming,  nor even amongst the best games ever made. 

When Time used it, they were complimenting, not criticizing the story and gameplay. So, failed analogy.

Also, your points are opinions. They have no more weight than anyone else's up here. Also, note that the employees still weren't major critics being bribed and that user scores do not count into the final Metacritic score. 

[shep82]

SpaceDesperado wrote...

Great post Euno17.

shep82 wrote...

Euno17 wrote...

Landing on various Planets: They EASILY could have made this so much better. They could've added various elements and added a-TON of differences to make it more exicting to the gameplay. I loved being able to do it,
despite the reused level designs/huge maps.  I mean, I still remember landing on the planet with those damn monkey's! Evil bastards! lol. Not to mention all the of side-stories attached to the side-quests.  Instead
of adding into that feature they said 'eh . . lets make it easy for US AND for the gamer! Huraay!!!!!'

I disagree. There still is planet exploration just not as boring as before and there is a story attached to those quests.

Please tell me in which part of ME2 could we freely explore planets just like Mako? Don't even mention the terrible firewalker dlc's. Could you also tell me why they are less boring? Assuming you mean the N7 missions in ME2, imo you are completely wrong, what exactly is fun about doing evem more running and shooting in a linear environment?
After sleeping through the mission, you just get the same useless rewards you already have an abundance of.
Atleast with the planetary exploration there was a sense of a bigger world, exploration(duh), and the freedom to complete tasks in a non-linear fashion as well as getting some actual useful rewards along the way, from looting items to killing a thrasher maw for big xp points.

I didn't say it was the same. No you can't explore like in ME 1 which is IMO better. The planets no longer look like crap, the environments are not reused, the Firewalker missions whether you like them or not give you planet exploration especially in overlord. I hated the exploration aspects in ME 1 the inside environments were all reused on every planet and the side missions have slightly less story but there is a story in them. I like it better you don't fine leave it at that.

[Lukertin]

Gatt9 wrote...
Two points.

1.  Evidence indicates it's more than one Bioware employee

And until it's shown that BioWare execs or EA execs purposefully encouraged / implied it was a condition of continued employment, this type of behavior doesn't matter.

2.  There are a variety of laws which it's quite possible this breaks.  FCC,  SEC,  EU.  Disclosure is a legal requirement in many countries,  something Sony learned when they used a pseudonym to write reviews without disclosing and ended up fined.

Those are not laws.  You should also brush up on the Sony fiasco.  A Sony executive made anonymous reviews.  A Sony executive.  He is a corporate officer and acts as an agent of the corporation.  Thus, everything he does in relation to the corporation is done in the corporation's name, he acts for the corporation and the corporation is responsible for everything he does.  He owes a duty to the corporation to put in its interests ahead of his own, and he owes a duty to the public and other entities he deals with to represent himself truthfully and without fraud (because he represents the corporation).  An employee of the same corporation (as in this case) does not have the same responsibilities or expose himself to the same liabilities because he does not have the power of a corporate officer.  He does not represent the corporation because he is not an agent of the corporation, unless of course, the employee in question was directed by an officer of BioWare or EA to do these things.  Assuming this was not the case, you then need to get over the hurdle that he was exercising his right to freedom of speech by publishing his own personal opinion of a game produced by his coworkers before claiming Mr. Hoban violated any US Federal Regulations.

Modifié par Lukertin, 16 mars 2011 - 08:20 .

[Whatever42]

Gatt9 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Stop trolling Yvse. That was one techie (not even a dev) who posted a review on a site on which he was perfectly entitled to post reviews.There is zero evidence that anyone put him up to it.

Not to mention, the user reviews on IGN and Gamespot number over 8700 so I doubt a few Bioware employees could skew those scores.

What is it with such bitterness? You guys are like sharks at a feeding frenzy right now.

Two points.

1.  Evidence indicates it's more than one Bioware employee
2.  There are a variety of laws which it's quite possible this breaks.  FCC,  SEC,  EU.  Disclosure is a legal requirement in many countries,  something Sony learned when they used a pseudonym to write reviews without disclosing and ended up fined.
 

The FCC? The SEC? Are you kidding? It's a video game review site, not a financial advice forum. There's no pump and dump happening here.  I worked for a financial website, I understand those regulations to a degree. You're totally out to lunch.

And I only saw evidence that it was one employee. But even if it is a few, there are thousands and thousands of player reviews on any given game. If a couple over-enthusastic techies did try to counter the troll spammers give it 0/10 then whatever... seriously. Get a grip.

[shep82]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Stop trolling Yvse. That was one techie (not even a dev) who posted a review on a site on which he was perfectly entitled to post reviews.There is zero evidence that anyone put him up to it.

Not to mention, the user reviews on IGN and Gamespot number over 8700 so I doubt a few Bioware employees could skew those scores.

What is it with such bitterness? You guys are like sharks at a feeding frenzy right now.

Two points.

1.  Evidence indicates it's more than one Bioware employee
2.  There are a variety of laws which it's quite possible this breaks.  FCC,  SEC,  EU.  Disclosure is a legal requirement in many countries,  something Sony learned when they used a pseudonym to write reviews without disclosing and ended up fined.
 

The FCC? The SEC? Are you kidding? It's a video game review site, not a financial advice forum. There's no pump and dump happening here.  I worked for a financial website, I understand those regulations to a degree. You're totally out to lunch.

And I only saw evidence that it was one employee. But even if it is a few, there are thousands and thousands of player reviews on any given game. If a couple over-enthusastic techies did try to counter the troll spammers give it 0/10 then whatever... seriously. Get a grip.

Agreed. God theese people seriously need a life.

[Lunatic LK47]

shep82 wrote...

Agreed. God theese people seriously need a life.

No kidding. Something tells me Gatt and Gleym are in Bizzaro world.

[Evil Johnny 666]

shep82 wrote...

Agreed. God theese people seriously need a life.

I don't see how they're different than you guys, they're just on the other side of the fence.

[Kanten]

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

I find that statement pretty accurate. Avatar is nothing but special effects, eye-candy and using age-old stories. Extremely glossy on surface, extremely shallow inside. ME2 at least doesn't solely consist of not-that-good-in-the-first-place age-old stories.

Well it wasn't really any more original than that at least.

People said Avatar was basically Pocahontas in Space.

In all honesty, ME2 was basically The Dirty Dozen in Space.

tfive24 wrote...

I don't understand this opening up the game for people who wouldn't like rpg anyway.

This is what chafes me the most. The mindless CoD audience isn't going to jump at an rpg no matter how diluted it is. Hell, they didn't even play Medal of Honor and it was practically the exact same game.

[Xerxes52]

Nah, I though ME2 was great (except for the Hammerhead and Planet Scanning, but they patched the latter so it's bearable), and DA2 was made by a different dev team.

Not worried.

[Phaedon]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Stop trolling Yvse. That was one techie (not even a dev) who posted a review on a site on which he was perfectly entitled to post reviews.There is zero evidence that anyone put him up to it.

Not to mention, the user reviews on IGN and Gamespot number over 8700 so I doubt a few Bioware employees could skew those scores.

What is it with such bitterness? You guys are like sharks at a feeding frenzy right now.

Two points.

1.  Evidence indicates it's more than one Bioware employee
2.  There are a variety of laws which it's quite possible this breaks.  FCC,  SEC,  EU.  Disclosure is a legal requirement in many countries,  something Sony learned when they used a pseudonym to write reviews without disclosing and ended up fined.
 

The FCC? The SEC? Are you kidding? It's a video game review site, not a financial advice forum. There's no pump and dump happening here.  I worked for a financial website, I understand those regulations to a degree. You're totally out to lunch.

And I only saw evidence that it was one employee. But even if it is a few, there are thousands and thousands of player reviews on any given game. If a couple over-enthusastic techies did try to counter the troll spammers give it 0/10 then whatever... seriously. Get a grip.

I read this back in the MEC forums and I facepalmed.


WAT


If I contributed even slightly to a project, I would rate it myself. It would only have been a scandal if I was ordered by my employer to do so.

Oh, and freedom of speech is overrated.

Stay classy, /B/SN.

Modifié par Phaedon, 16 mars 2011 - 08:56 .

[heman14]

I love ME2 and really like DA2. So I will be getting ME3 day one unless something cataclysmic changes with either the developers or the universe

[The7Sins]

Mass Effect 2 was a piece of crap game. I am sorely disappointed that Bioware took away most of the elements from ME1 that made the Mass Effect universe cool and unique and added in a bunch of unnecessary retcons. Add to the fact ME2 had a ton of plot holes and I gotta say if ME3 is of the same vein as ME2 and does not return to its ME1 roots I will not buy ME3 ever and give yup on the series as a lost cause and not buy anymore Bioware games. I still regret preordering ME2 though it did teach me to never preorder games as they could turn out to be a piece of **** game.

[CoolioThane]

Rekkampum wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

How is Mass Effect 2 the Avatar of video games?

a) It is not sh*t
The story was good, and as mentioned before, not a rehash of Pocahontas
c) IT WAS FANTASTIC

It is sci-fi though Some people in the media are retarded...quite a few...a lot?

I think the answer is d) all of the above. 

Seriously though, it is an accomplishment for prominent magazines like Time - I've read their stuff for quite some time - to even recognize a videogame in their lists, and even mags like Rollingstone are starting to review and feature segments on games now. They're finally getting the kind of exposure that goes beyond the typical nerd/fanzoid stereotype.

Also, "retarded" or autistic =/= stupid, so I'd advise you to be more careful in your choice of words. 

Whoah, I never said autistic. My sibling has autism, so I know it does not mean stupid. Retard, or how people around me use it, does not mean autistic, it simply means stupid. Like how someone goes..."meh, that film was gay" does not mean it was homosexual, just that it was rubbish. Words are used differently in different areas and cultures, so I think that just because a word may offend someone doesn't mean one should stop using that word, as a lot of common words would be offensive to a person.

Eg. people hate the use of the word Christ as it is blasphemous, but loads of people say it ffs. Retard =/= mental disability in this case, in the way I used it, it means stupid. In fact, by relating retard to autistic people could be classed as offensive in itself. SHAME

[CoolioThane]

The7Sins wrote...

Mass Effect 2 was a piece of crap game. I am sorely disappointed that Bioware took away most of the elements from ME1 that made the Mass Effect universe cool and unique and added in a bunch of unnecessary retcons. Add to the fact ME2 had a ton of plot holes and I gotta say if ME3 is of the same vein as ME2 and does not return to its ME1 roots I will not buy ME3 ever and give yup on the series as a lost cause and not buy anymore Bioware games. I still regret preordering ME2 though it did teach me to never preorder games as they could turn out to be a piece of **** game.

Wow, that is a very balanced argument. Glad you spent time talking about a **** game when you could have been doing something constructive.

[Rekkampum]

CoolioThane wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

How is Mass Effect 2 the Avatar of video games?

a) It is not sh*t
The story was good, and as mentioned before, not a rehash of Pocahontas
c) IT WAS FANTASTIC

It is sci-fi though Some people in the media are retarded...quite a few...a lot?

I think the answer is d) all of the above. 

Seriously though, it is an accomplishment for prominent magazines like Time - I've read their stuff for quite some time - to even recognize a videogame in their lists, and even mags like Rollingstone are starting to review and feature segments on games now. They're finally getting the kind of exposure that goes beyond the typical nerd/fanzoid stereotype.

Also, "retarded" or autistic =/= stupid, so I'd advise you to be more careful in your choice of words. 

Whoah, I never said autistic. My sibling has autism, so I know it does not mean stupid. Retard, or how people around me use it, does not mean autistic, it simply means stupid. Like how someone goes..."meh, that film was gay" does not mean it was homosexual, just that it was rubbish. Words are used differently in different areas and cultures, so I think that just because a word may offend someone doesn't mean one should stop using that word, as a lot of common words would be offensive to a person.

Eg. people hate the use of the word Christ as it is blasphemous, but loads of people say it ffs. Retard =/= mental disability in this case, in the way I used it, it means stupid. In fact, by relating retard to autistic people could be classed as offensive in itself. SHAME

The word "retard" as we know it came about as a slur derived from caricatures of autistic or mentally disabled people as "stupid", hence the very point of my comment. Every culture known to man has such a word with this meaning. You may not mean to compare a person you consider "stupid" to a mentally disabled person in your usage, but the two are interconnected in the very origin of the word. It's the very reason the Black Eyed Peas had to edit their song "Let's get it started", which said something else. You, I'm sure, can connect the dots there.

Whether you choose to recognize your complicency in continuing this erroneous image with your usage of the word doesn't matter. The point remains, that you used a word with an inflammatory purpose.

Modifié par Rekkampum, 17 mars 2011 - 12:25 .

[Kandid001]

I feel obligated to buy ME3 to conclude the Saga if not for anything else, and for some reason I think the differences between ME2 and ME3 won't be as significant and radical as the differences between DA:O and DA2.

So I guess I'll buy and play it unless something extraordinary happens.

[shep82]

The7Sins wrote...

Mass Effect 2 was a piece of crap game. I am sorely disappointed that Bioware took away most of the elements from ME1 that made the Mass Effect universe cool and unique and added in a bunch of unnecessary retcons. Add to the fact ME2 had a ton of plot holes and I gotta say if ME3 is of the same vein as ME2 and does not return to its ME1 roots I will not buy ME3 ever and give yup on the series as a lost cause and not buy anymore Bioware games. I still regret preordering ME2 though it did teach me to never preorder games as they could turn out to be a piece of **** game.

Yet your avatar is a character from ME 2. Interesting.

[Zexion21]

Well first and foremost I would never put Mass Effect and Dragon Age together on the same level. Personally I'm not a big fan of Dragon Age, mostly because I believe the game series lacks the subtle little details that really drew me into Mass Effect from the walking animations to often clunkly animations and awkward stances.

Mass Effect on the other hand... I loved ME1, and I loved ME2 even more. I'd go as far as to say ME2 is if not my favorite then one of my favorite games of all time and well deserving of all it's awards.

But the core of my arguement here is that whether it be Dragon Age 1, O or 2, ME1 or ME2, you simply CANNOT judge a game that has nothing but a FMV trailer released thus far. I'm sure ME3 will have ME2 elements as well as ME1 ones, however it is a brand new game, and should be treated as one.

If you're worried about it, then simply don't buy it on release! Wait a week! In that time a few thousand vids and walkthroughs will pop up on youtube plus a bunch of game reviews. Check them out and make your own oppinion after you have all the facts, but don't slag off a game you know nothing about.

[Jedi31293]

I will give Bioware the benefit of the doubt and hope DA2 was a minor misstep. Bioware should learn from their mistake, make the necessary changes, and move on. Everyone makes mistakes, and the best thing to do is live and learn.

Optimistically, Bioware learns from DA2 and makes ME3 one helluva game. Realistically, Bioware makes ME3 an enjoyable and worthy sequel to end the trilogy. Pessimistically, Bioware decides to make the same "improvements" to ME3 that were made to DA2. In the end, only time will tell.

Modifié par Jedi31293, 17 mars 2011 - 02:03 .

[SirOccam]

Hesitant to buy ME3? Oh, hell no. If anything, I'm even more excited now than I already was (which was pretty damn excited to begin with).

It's still a little surreal for me to see all this criticism of DA2. I knew the game was sounding good, but even I was astonished by how much I enjoyed DA2. And then I come here and so many people are trashing it.

They took the best parts of DAO and kept them, then improved the rest. The game looks better, feels better, sounds better, handles better. Just like ME2 did for ME1. Is it perfect? Of course not. But I know now I'll be replaying DA2 over and over, going back to DAO just when I want a new imported save. Which is exactly how it is for ME2/ME1 right now.