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This is almost like a political debate.
I'm debating to waste time whilst I wait for Modern Family to buffer :3
Hesitant to buy ME3 after ME2 & DA2?
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 04:06
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I'm debating to waste time whilst I wait for Modern Family to buffer :3
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 04:07
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Most people like it, some don't
Same with every good thing, like chocolate
Same with every good thing, like chocolate
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 04:07
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Update: I gave DA2 another shot last night. I had a big problem playing a "goody-two-shoes" but after a new face and a different "role playing take" on the game I'm having a little more fun with it.
As for ME3 [as I already said] Bioware has already hooked their sucker.
As for ME3 [as I already said] Bioware has already hooked their sucker.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 04:08
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I didn't have an issue with ME2 compared to ME1.
I do have an issue with DA2 compared to DA:O, though.
I seriously hope DA2 is not a sign of times to come from Bioware cause that isn't something I would want to incur on my hopes for ME3.
This was the same for me. I thought Mass Effect had some problems; characters and combat were well done as usual but the gameplay, combat and non main storyline levels were kind of lame. For me, ME2 was an improvement.
DA2 has been wearing on me a bit. I like the overall story, but everything feels it happens to quickly. To many ups style quests. I like the game but it's not epic for me, like DAO was. The combat in DAO was slow compared to DA2 but I think they've gone too much the other way; I think it's too fast..and I think mages are a little too fast..especially with the semi auto staffs. I don't hate the game; just quibbles for me.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 04:18
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No.
Mass Effect 2 was my game of the year in 2010. And I still like Dragon Age 2. DA2 may not be as epic as most Bioware games. But in my opinion, it is still better than most RPGs that were released by the competition over the past several years. But I'm probably biased, because I don't really like exploration games, where you are the only person, who can save the world and you can't even remember 3 other characters afterwards. I still play them, because there are very few "Bioware style" games. But I almost never return after the first playthrough, while I continue to play character-driven games for a long time.
Mass Effect 2 was my game of the year in 2010. And I still like Dragon Age 2. DA2 may not be as epic as most Bioware games. But in my opinion, it is still better than most RPGs that were released by the competition over the past several years. But I'm probably biased, because I don't really like exploration games, where you are the only person, who can save the world and you can't even remember 3 other characters afterwards. I still play them, because there are very few "Bioware style" games. But I almost never return after the first playthrough, while I continue to play character-driven games for a long time.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 05:38
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No; I wouldn't hesitate to buy ME3. Sure, there are things in ME2 that I think are an improvement and there are some things from ME that I miss.
How I feel DA2 plays would not actually influence whether I would get ME3.
How I feel DA2 plays would not actually influence whether I would get ME3.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 05:47
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DA2 has no influence over ME3....the other way around perhaps lol....
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 06:33
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No one is forcing people like cooliothane to read these topics for 26 pages which ironically, leads him to continuously reply back and starting debates on these topics. Please don't say "these topics are too negative, they shouldn't be allowed." You guys are feeding this topic imo much more than the people who are actually hesitant.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 06:47
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SpaceDesperado wrote...
No one is forcing people like cooliothane to read these topics for 26 pages which ironically, leads him to continuously reply back and starting debates on these topics. Please don't say "these topics are too negative, they shouldn't be allowed." You guys are feeding this topic imo much more than the people who are actually hesitant.
He didn't mean it. We enjoy bashing you as much as you enjoy bashing the game.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 06:47
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**** off SpaceDesperado. I have the right to post, and can say what I like.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 07:08
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Grow up dude it wasn't a direct assault on you, post whatever you like, just don't complain when other people are doing the same.CoolioThane wrote...
**** off SpaceDesperado. I have the right to post, and can say what I like.
It was just a general statement for the ME2 lovers, but don't worry I understand how it generally works in these forums now, go ahead and vent your anger that ME2 might suck onto me.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 07:10
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Do you honestly think that happens? That someone who has enjoyed the game for a year suddenly realizes that he was wrong all along and it really sucks?SpaceDesperado wrote...
... vent your anger that ME2 might suck onto me.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 07:17
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1) Thats not exactly what I meant, it's obvious cooliothane has no interest in accepting ME1 is better than ME2.Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...
Do you honestly think that happens? That someone who has enjoyed the game for a year suddenly realizes that he was wrong all along and it really sucks?SpaceDesperado wrote...
... vent your anger that ME2 might suck onto me.
2) It can very likely happen, i thought oblivion was the most amazing game until I played morrowind after most fans on the forums told me how much oblivion sucks in comparsion.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 07:37
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If I had to complain about one thing in ME2, is that you don't get your crew in a way that is well integrated with the main plot. You could say that recruiting them is the plot. So you are given a shopping list and you go planet after planet saying "Hey you, you have nothing to do with my mission but you're on my list. Get in the ship". There are good exceptions of course: Jacob, Miranda and Legion fit neatly in the story. Zaeed is a mercenary so it's okay to simply hire him.
For instance you could have recruited Tali in the first mission, after Veetor is sent back to the migrant fleet. "Hey Tali, we're finding out what happened here and who did this to Veetor and the rest. You want to find out too. Come with me." Neat.
Grunt. Instead of just having to pick Okeer up because you are ordered to, you could have heard something about Jedore and his Krogan army when you join the blue suns to hunt Archangel. "Ummm a blue sun krogan army, this might be worth looking into" and that gives you a good excuse to go, kill everything and recruit Grunt. He's tank-bred so he doesn't need a motivation to join you.
Samara. This one really has absolutely nothing to do with the collectors, the reapers, the geth or anything that might interest you. She's just in your shopping list. I can't think of a good excuse to make her join the team, but since she is so honorable and holy, she could be presented as a fellow spectre that has volunteered to help you. You could only recruit her if you agree to have your spectre status renewed when you go to the citadel. The council contacts you at some point in the game and ask you to go to the citadel, and so you get Samara (and a few fun dialogue lines with the council).
Jack. She has a reason to join you (she want to know about Cerberus). But you don't have a reason to pick her up. Again, she's just in your shopping list. Let's say you should inform the Illusive Man about something you found, like after leaving Horizon. But Miranda says the link is not working and you have to go back to Cerberus because something bad is likely happening. Turns out Jack has escaped the prison she was in (she sneaked into a cargo to get out of the space prison) and is wreaking havoc in the Cerberus Main Communications Facility or something like that. She has broken something that the Illusive Man uses to contact his agents, including you. You fight her and after taking her down, she screams at you about Cerberus doing all kind of nasty things to her and you don't know what she's talking about and you learn a bit about her story and that she wants to know more. So you take her with you, make your crew repair the link, and leave. Hey it was just an idea.
Give the characters motivations to join you and give Shepard motivations to recruit them. They should have something to do with the story.
For instance you could have recruited Tali in the first mission, after Veetor is sent back to the migrant fleet. "Hey Tali, we're finding out what happened here and who did this to Veetor and the rest. You want to find out too. Come with me." Neat.
Grunt. Instead of just having to pick Okeer up because you are ordered to, you could have heard something about Jedore and his Krogan army when you join the blue suns to hunt Archangel. "Ummm a blue sun krogan army, this might be worth looking into" and that gives you a good excuse to go, kill everything and recruit Grunt. He's tank-bred so he doesn't need a motivation to join you.
Samara. This one really has absolutely nothing to do with the collectors, the reapers, the geth or anything that might interest you. She's just in your shopping list. I can't think of a good excuse to make her join the team, but since she is so honorable and holy, she could be presented as a fellow spectre that has volunteered to help you. You could only recruit her if you agree to have your spectre status renewed when you go to the citadel. The council contacts you at some point in the game and ask you to go to the citadel, and so you get Samara (and a few fun dialogue lines with the council).
Jack. She has a reason to join you (she want to know about Cerberus). But you don't have a reason to pick her up. Again, she's just in your shopping list. Let's say you should inform the Illusive Man about something you found, like after leaving Horizon. But Miranda says the link is not working and you have to go back to Cerberus because something bad is likely happening. Turns out Jack has escaped the prison she was in (she sneaked into a cargo to get out of the space prison) and is wreaking havoc in the Cerberus Main Communications Facility or something like that. She has broken something that the Illusive Man uses to contact his agents, including you. You fight her and after taking her down, she screams at you about Cerberus doing all kind of nasty things to her and you don't know what she's talking about and you learn a bit about her story and that she wants to know more. So you take her with you, make your crew repair the link, and leave. Hey it was just an idea.
Give the characters motivations to join you and give Shepard motivations to recruit them. They should have something to do with the story.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 07:49
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SpaceDesperado wrote...
2) It can very likely happen, i thought oblivion was the most amazing game until I played morrowind after most fans on the forums told me how much oblivion sucks in comparsion.
Same here, though i'm not nearly as hesitant towards ME3 as i will be towards future DA titles after DA2.
Why? ME lends itself far more towards the faster paced gameplay than DA does, also in ME2 the story-telling wasn't badly damaged for the sake of gameplay. DA2 on the other hand made me quit after 2 playthroughs and put origins back into my xbox, just because it's more fun...
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 08:03
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I am only hesitant to buy ME3 because I am not sure it will be as GREAT as DA2 was. DA2 was epic, can ME3 be as epic? I am not so sure.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 08:57
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@ Space Desperado
Playing through Mass Effect again and it is not as fun to play as ME2, so by refusing to accept ME1 is better than ME2 is down to the fact it bloody isn't. ME2 does not suck, as there are parts of ME that bore the hell out of me, like the time in the Citadel. I just want to get through the game, doing only the necessary side missions that link into ME2 with this femshep character.
There are no parts of ME2 that bore me as it is a superior game, and I'm sure that when ME3 comes out, ME2 and ME will seem ****e in comparison and so that is why I am trying to get all the playthoughs I need from these two games done so I can orgasm into ME3.
Playing through Mass Effect again and it is not as fun to play as ME2, so by refusing to accept ME1 is better than ME2 is down to the fact it bloody isn't. ME2 does not suck, as there are parts of ME that bore the hell out of me, like the time in the Citadel. I just want to get through the game, doing only the necessary side missions that link into ME2 with this femshep character.
There are no parts of ME2 that bore me as it is a superior game, and I'm sure that when ME3 comes out, ME2 and ME will seem ****e in comparison and so that is why I am trying to get all the playthoughs I need from these two games done so I can orgasm into ME3.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 09:01
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Well, your opinion is your opinion, just I disagree with it. It didn't suck though, and it's not fanboy-ish to quote sales, awards etc. as they how games are classed as successful. For Mass Effect 2 to win the BAFTA for best game is pretty much THE counter argument to saying it sucked.
And two of the last three years they gave that award to Call of Duty (yes, even Black Ops) so I don't really see how that supports your argument. The Academy doesn't even vote on that award, it's a public poll/popularity contest.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 09:09
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Kanten wrote...
CoolioThane wrote...
Well, your opinion is your opinion, just I disagree with it. It didn't suck though, and it's not fanboy-ish to quote sales, awards etc. as they how games are classed as successful. For Mass Effect 2 to win the BAFTA for best game is pretty much THE counter argument to saying it sucked.
And two of the last three years they gave that award to Call of Duty (yes, even Black Ops) so I don't really see how that supports your argument. The Academy doesn't even vote on that award, it's a public poll/popularity contest.
Wait, so like the best selling game series in the world is now crap? The Call of Duty series is, to a lot of people, fantastic, so you are trying to argue my point with a massively flawed point of your own. The CoD series does not suck, as shown by the numerous awards it has won.
A public poll/popularity contest....then the winner is the most popular...and how can a game be popular if it is ****e?
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 09:09
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I could care less if some nerd hates the dissolution of RPG gaming so I hate when they are always being the creeper at the Mass Effect party. You don't see me throwing the dice in the lake at the D&D party.
^This
I have been playing RPG's since the mid 90's and really can't stomach the arguement that because certain elements are being simplified they are less RPGs. I loved the complex old-school RPG's, not because of the complexity, but because of the well crafted stories. It all boils down to the erroneous ideas that 1) complexity always equals more fun. And 2) the complexity is more important than the story in RPGs.
Elements are being simplified because it makes it more fun for more people and makes more people likely to enjoy the story. In the case of DA2, did they take this a step to far? Probably. But ME2 I would lean towards no.
The fact is that as much as the hardcore RPG fans rage and troll, the vast majority of gamers know that RPGs are about the story, choices and characters, not complex mechanics and inventory management.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 09:13
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Jonas TM wrote...
habitat 67 wrote...
I could care less if some nerd hates the dissolution of RPG gaming so I hate when they are always being the creeper at the Mass Effect party. You don't see me throwing the dice in the lake at the D&D party.
^This
I have been playing RPG's since the mid 90's and really can't stomach the arguement that because certain elements are being simplified they are less RPGs. I loved the complex old-school RPG's, not because of the complexity, but because of the well crafted stories. It all boils down to the erroneous ideas that 1) complexity always equals more fun. And 2) the complexity is more important that the story in RPGs.
Elements are being simplified because it makes it more fun for more people and makes more people likely to enjoy the story. In the case of DA2, did they take this a step to far? Probably. But ME2 I would lean towards no.
The fact is that as much as the hardcore RPG fans rage and troll, the vast majority of gamers know that RPGs are about the story, choices and characters, not complex mechanics and inventory management.
I agree with your post for the most part, but had to chucke a bit considering ME2 changed more from ME1 than DA2 did from DAO.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 09:23
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I really wouldn't agree with that, but we can differ on opinions. I think they simplified and changed a lot more in DA2 then in ME2.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 09:34
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Uh? I'm actually hoping that ME3 is taking notes from DA2.
Interaction between companions and improvements to the dialogue wheel, for one.
Interaction between companions and improvements to the dialogue wheel, for one.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 09:44
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Character interaction was indeed an improvement. Although it could still use some tweaking.
*slight spoilers ahead*
Like when you first pickup Merill. "will you come visit me later?"
*walks straight into her house with merill in the party* "Oh I didn't think you'd come visit!"
*slight spoilers ahead*
Like when you first pickup Merill. "will you come visit me later?"
*walks straight into her house with merill in the party* "Oh I didn't think you'd come visit!"
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 10:10
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Jonas TM wrote...
The fact is that as much as the hardcore RPG fans rage and troll, the vast majority of gamers know that RPGs are about the story, choices and characters, not complex mechanics and inventory management.
This is laughable.Or otherwise you suggest that the Elder Scrolls and the Fallout Series have better stories then Dragon Age and Mass Effect(well,Vegas was better then Mass Effect 2 ).
Those games for sure have higher sales.
