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[mr_luga]

Paxsis wrote...

Flamin Jesus wrote...

If you want a more teary-eyed ending, tell Morrigan to get lost and throw yourself at the Archdemon...

I thought most people would do this, especially the nobles. Alas, I was terribly wrong...

I did, I just finished the game yesterday, with a lumpy feeling in my throat ^^ Was awesome.

[LeandraNyx]

I was pretty traumatized by my ending. I romanced Alistair, quickly found out that if I made him king he would dump me because I wasn't nobility (and just as quickly reloaded my auto-save at the Landsmeet to make Anora queen instead!)... and then just couldn't stomach having him cheat on me with Morrigan to make a demon child, so he threw himself at the archdemon and died. But what I thought the really sad part was is that nobody even offered me any consolation afterwards; Wynne was the only one who even acknowledged he died. It's like... thanks guys, thought you were my friends, guess you don't care that the love of my life just died to save the world.



But at least I didn't have some of the bugged out epilouges I've heard some people having... personally I'm hoping to see a patch address some of the messed-up epilouges soon.

[syllogi]

Maybe I'm a masochist in regards to my entertainment, but I really *liked* that what should have been the "happiest" ending -- marrying Alistair and becoming queen -- was twisted into something more poignant. I actually think it could have been more angsty and been even more affecting.

One of my favorite movie endings is The Graduate, where you have a horribly awkward, "oh crud, what did we just do" moment, and suddenly you remember that this is definitely a black comedy. Movies *rarely* are that daring anymore, and while video games have had their moments, it has always been kind of hard to balance a satisfying ending with telling a great story.

I'm kind of a hypocrite, of course, when advocating for sad endings, but I haven't actually done the sacrifice ending yet, because I'm incredibly selfish and like my character to live on. When you look at the controversy over Fallout 3's ending, for instance, and how they had to retcon it in DLC, you have to wonder if it's even worth doing in the first place. But I think having degrees of "pyrrhic" victory in game endings can be extremely memorable and moving.

But aside from all of that, please create a patch to fix all the bugs in the various endings. It's silly for your character to be referred to as a side piece when she's queen, or for Alistair to think he's going to be king when you've backed Anora. I would put this stuff as high priority on the list of bugs.

Modifié par TeenZombie, 16 novembre 2009 - 03:31 .

[ShadowKhan]

I thought it was interesting to read about the ashes of alisandra (sp) where I let the High dragon live, the chantry tried to make the tomb a pilgrimage can had to abandon it due to the presence of a high dragon, which disappeared later after the ruins collapsed and the ashes were never to be found again. Some said they never existed in the first place.



There were some interesting choices I made during the game that ended up affecting the endgame I did not expect.



I'm definitely playing again as an evil city elf rogue that hates humans to see where it could lead because I saw a couple interesting dialog choices about saving your own ****.

[ShadowKhan]

please give us the option to delete our own duplicate posts!

Modifié par ShadowKhan, 16 novembre 2009 - 04:59 .

[FlintlockJazz]

Katarian wrote...

Shufeng wrote...

i was quite happy with the ending, ever since ive played Fo 3... since that games ending is the biggest let down since the start of the computer age

The ending isn't the greatest thing in the game but it is certainly much better then a lot of recent games I have played. Fallout 3 had an awful ending that didn't even make sense.

Hopefully any sequel will not be a straight continuation of this characters story. I was expecting the racism for non human characters and fear of mages to have a much bigger effect on the game. As a mage I can only think of two people in the whole game who were outright afraid of me, and that was only because I told them I was a mage, and it only lasted until they learnt I was a Grey Warden then they seemed to totally forget about it. Even without any coercion skills and low cunning I was still able to talk people into letting Maleficars live, and reson with Templars who should of been trying to destroy Apostates and Maleficars no matter what. I mean Morigan right out tells a Templar she is a Apostate in Lothering and he doesn't seem to even give a crap . Any sequel should remove the Grey Warden saviour of the land so gets special treatment rubbish.

I agree with this, playing a city elf I was hoping to get alot more abuse, but instead it seems that everyone's really nice which just makes my human-hating elf seem like a wanker more than someone who has had to fight against oppression.  So I get some nasty things I can say to people because they are human?  Great, except that most people don't seem to warrant it.  I actually feel in some ways that being a Grey Warden ruined the experience as it made your origin seem irrelevant.

I think I would definitely be interested if they were to take the Origins and create whole campaigns from them, so that you would have one as a City Elf on the run after killing the arl etc.  Could call it something like "Stories of the Dragon Age" or something as they would essentially be a collection of short stories.

[CaisLaochach]

I must say, I was quite delighted with the ending I got.

I played it as a human noble rogue, and morally aimed for good when possible, while willing to resort at times to darker solutions when necessary. Mainly because I hate the 'Oh noes, a kitten r stuckz up a tr3e, I will rescue it, lolz0r' morality versus the 'I hate puppies /emo' that one usually finds. It was nice to be nice without being an utter tool.

I also did the Morrigan romance thing, which had a surprising level of pathos to it.

What I enjoyed most of all was the absolute inevitibality of her 'betrayal' in the process of which she gets to save you, which at that stage you get the impression has become her real priority. Moreover, the regret at parting is really rather well done, far better crafted than one would expect. I've a feeling whoever wrote the character just went through an epically bad break-up, but then, haven't we all at one time or another?

Also, I loved the unsubtle sequel hints.

As an aside, which do people think most likely to become the canon ending? Pregnant Morrigan bearing potential god-demon-baby definitely offers the most potential for a sequel. Though I'd wonder if that would be as the baby, or as the main character. Personally a quest to hunt down your ex and put save (the world from) your kid would be a rather entertaining romp.

[SwashbucklerXX]

I would also have liked to see a lot more work go into the ending, but the thing that infuriated me most was losing control of my character during the most important decision of her life. I played a female human noble, she was going to rule as Queen at Alistair's side. I turned down Morrigan's demon baby offer, knowing that it meant my character would probably have to die. But instead, we get to the Archdemon and Alistair hauls off and sacrifices himself instead, giving me no choice in the matter. Excuse me? I'm a duelist, I fight with lightning speed and I've single-handedly defeated the greatest warriors in the dwarven kingdom. I'm NOT going to stand still and watch the love of my life throw his own life away for my sake. I'm perfectly capable of knocking him on the head or sticking a knife in the back of his kneecap, anything to ensure that I sacrifice myself for his sake.



I would have been satisfied (if very sad) with that ending, but nooo. My character is supposed to stand there like and idiot and just let Alistair go. I was so angry I actually yelled "Noooooo no no no no!", hit the reset button on my machine, and loaded an earlier save so I could take Morrigan up on her offer. (Yeah, this game inspired an emotional investment in the story that I haven't had before, which shows how good it is.)



I don't have a problem with the choice between "doing the right thing" and having somebody die or taking Morrigan up on her offer. I do have the problem with losing control of my character in the way that it happened. It felt really weird to have been able to play a very strong female character through the game, one who actively set up her future in order to regain her noble status and shape the man she loved into a king, and then suddenly have that taken away from me so Alistair could play White Knight to my apparently helpless maiden (hey, *I* got the killing blow on that archdemon, thank you very much).



That, and the lack of a strong ending cutscene and the bugged slides definitely made the whole thing frustrating and anticlimactic.

[Sorcy73]

I felt rather dejected with my ending. I was an elf in love with Alistair and he took the killing blow for me. I expected this but then talking to all my old friends in the castle after the event left me at a loss.



They all knew I was in love with Alistair but they all went on about how great it was that the Archdemon was dead and how heroic I was, not one of them consoled me for my loss of the love of my life. Seemed weird.

[Draco_13]

I don't really like the different endings for male and female characters if you don't sacrifice yourself.



I can't help it but me and my female city elf just don't care about Alisters child. I'm not sure whether I would join some DLC rescue party.



I had always planned another playthrough with a human male, but the city elf origin was the most interesting to me right when it had been revealed and I think this origin has to be played with a female character. And now I feel a little bit trapped with my lead character which I wanted to use for DLC and sequels ...

[coolair74]

I was perplexed, during the coronation , Alistair asked what I wanted for a boon, And i told him a better life my people ( City Elf Origin ), he then made me Regent for the Alienage with a seat in the landsmeet.



Then later I talked to him and he asked my what I was gonna do from there? I just thought we worked that out ? Then talking to Lil, since a let Majologneeheyd (Sp?) go , she wanted me to go with her to Orlay and do bardly things, then turn rights around and tells me she has to go on her for now.



Same thing with Sten, he offers to take me back to his land and then says I wouldnt be accepted there.



The ending is only bad thing about this game, everything else is a complete win. I remember Fallout 2 had a simular recap ending that was based on your choices and they did a better job, why was this one so bad?

[hurricaneez1]

I played as a human noble, spent the whole time romancing Morrigan and took her offer in the end. I am fine with the ending as long as we get a sequel or something that allows my character to go look for her....which is what I told the queen I was going to do after the final battle.

[Saurel]

imported_beer wrote...

 I stopped at Red Cliffe after the Grey Warden "revelation".

I made the  face.

I am done. Finished. Not doing it. Not proceeding. Morrigan can wait in the room. Ferelden can stay in permanent stasis.

I foiled their evil plans of twisting the knife into my heart. BWAHAHAHA.

I know everyone would hate this. But I would have loved a Diablo ending. Option to contain the evil within yourself.

Not only does this help people who don't want to sacrifice Loghain and Alistair, nor help concieve a child who you know is going to go through a lot of mental trauma.

Also if you are a Female romancing Alistair, you don't have to have him bed Morrigan so you both survive.

I guess it would be too cliche..meh I would be happy

[LeandraNyx]

Sorcy73 wrote...

I felt rather dejected with my ending. I was an elf in love with Alistair and he took the killing blow for me. I expected this but then talking to all my old friends in the castle after the event left me at a loss.

They all knew I was in love with Alistair but they all went on about how great it was that the Archdemon was dead and how heroic I was, not one of them consoled me for my loss of the love of my life. Seemed weird.

What you said here was my biggest gripe with the ending.  I took the same route my first play through, and although I was heartbroken that Alistair died, I couldn't believe how happy everyone was considering that one of our companions had just died -- not to mention a companion who was also the love of my life... thanks for being sensitive guys.  Lots of talk about how heroic I was, but... I wasn't the one who gave my life, at least give him a bit of credit.  :-/  I thought he deserved a cut-scene funeral or something -- anything, really. 

I demand justice for Alistair!!  :-)

Modifié par LeandraNyx, 16 novembre 2009 - 09:03 .

[CimmerianJester]

Male Human Mage here... Spent the start of the game flirting up Morrigan, figuring her out, and totally being drawn in by her as she is easily the most interesting character in the game (most INTERESTING, not the most *good*).

I don't know how much of it was the writing and how much was Claudia Black's performance, but I found Morrigan to be fascinating, especially in the end as she makes the offer (doing what se feels must/should be done, presumably to redeem/bring back an old god in an untainted form, but also just as likely to create her own pet archdemon -- who knows?).

Regardless of how you feel about Morrigan, her growth as a character if you play through romancing her is nuanced and fantastic. The subtext in so many of her lines is just heartbreaking, especially towards the end!

Much like everything else about this game, the story is detailed, full of options and repercussions...

And then POOF!

Canned ending. The epilogue on this game is a disservice to the rest of it. Plain and simple.

Flash-card recaps? Really? This isn't the NES, people. I expect better than to be told that my princess is in another castle.

So the dwarves are still embroiled in their in-fighting, the city elves are still humanity's whipping boy, the Circle Mages are subject Templar control, and the Chantry gains even more of a stranglehold on Ferelden via the discovery of Andraste's Ashes... at least until they're buried. Also, the werewolves (whom I sided with largely because Zathrian ruined the Dalish for me completely) are okay... oh... wait, nope. Sorry, they're savages again and Alistair has to kick them back into place too.

At least I made Alistair and Anora marry, and they ruled as popular monarch's (I toughened up Alistair in his moment of personal crisis, of course).

So what did I ACTUALLY accomplish? Well, I made a dwarven reformist king for about 20 minutes, put my buddy Alistair on the throne, fell in love with my swamp-witch girlfriend, set myself up to be Baalzebub's baby-daddy, and lopped off the head of an archdemon. Who will probably be my son. Maybe a good kid, but probably not since his mom got full custody. Whadayado?

So what did I ACTUALLY accomplish? Nada. 60+ hours at my laptop and basically? I found a dog. Oh, and the gay elf who wanted to kill me wants to hang out while I try and track down my equally-broken-hearted ex (seriously, it's all in the performance...)

Next game, please!

Morrigan, I will find you. I swear it!

And when I do it'd better be a sequel where you do more than kill time.

All in all, if Bioware had added 20 minutes of cut scenes and effort to the end, this game would be a perfect 10. As it is, it's a perfec...

>CREDITS!<

Modifié par CimmerianJester, 16 novembre 2009 - 09:05 .

[screwoffreg]

The only way we'll find out what happens to Morrigan is in a few years when the sequel comes out or if anyone is good friends with Claudia Black and she reveals what voiceover work she has done. Otherwise...we wait.

[Saurel]

LeandraNyx wrote...


I demand justice for Alistair!!  :-)

Maybe they secretely know ...he can be resurrected! Dun dun dun.

hmm...can resurrections occur in DA-verse? 

[Hairfish]

I played a dwarf warrior in love with Alistair who backed Anora for queen so Alistair could be happy (with my character ). Loghain had to die because he was a dispicible person. At the end, she offered to sacrifice herself, but Alistair wouldn't allow it...and died, without so much as a good-bye kiss!

Vadavim wrote...

I think another thing that disconnected me from the ending was how your character and others could potentially react to it. I chose to play a female mage as my main, with an Alistair romance. Oddly enough, she didn't particularly care when he chose to sacrifice himself. There weren't even options to say anything about it, or to have her at least mourn his loss... I mean, really... I had this pictured as some sort of epic, sad scene where he would sacrifice himself so that she could live on... except all I got was Queen Anora saying "Alistair gave his life... blahblahblah... we're grateful... or something... oh, but anyway, we still have a surviving Warden!" *crowd cheers*

That sums up my feelings quite well. After spending two weeks in this game, growing to love these characters, they all acted so far OUT of character that I'm left feeling emotionally drained and completely unsatisfied with the ending. It felt rushed, unemotional, more like World of Warcraft than Dragon Age!

[Lord Phoebus]

I was kind of surprised that pilgrims travelled to the Urn of Sacred ashes and were healed by it after I defiled it and killed Gentivi.



There's also a bug if you're a Mage and win the Circle its freedom. They're supposed to build a new Tower, but in the epilogue they just clean up the old one.



Apart from those bugs, I liked most of the endings, but the heroic sacrifice is the only ending that really did the game justice.

[rock_brm]

As a city elf I wasn't really that content with how it ends. The queen offers me a regency in the alienage or whatever - but big deal. I wasn't looking for a “boon” from some watery tart - I wanted to tell her she was going to be washing dishes(if she was lucky) in the elven kitchen from now on. None of these human nobles are my friends and none of them ever did anything for the elves; and if I was given the opportunity I'd love to slap them all silly.

Now that I think of it – leading an elven uprising in a future installment would make for some good fun.

Modifié par rock_brm, 07 février 2010 - 06:37 .

[Nightvision91]

In my first play through as a human male noble I decided to sacrifice myself. I refused the pact with Morrigan not wanting to see a potential new threat caused by me. I felt great about the ending knowing my character had gone out the hero, and didn't make any deals with the devil for it to happen.

[errant_knight]

SwashbucklerXX wrote...

I would also have liked to see a lot more work go into the ending, but the thing that infuriated me most was losing control of my character during the most important decision of her life. I played a female human noble, she was going to rule as Queen at Alistair's side. I turned down Morrigan's demon baby offer, knowing that it meant my character would probably have to die. But instead, we get to the Archdemon and Alistair hauls off and sacrifices himself instead, giving me no choice in the matter. Excuse me? I'm a duelist, I fight with lightning speed and I've single-handedly defeated the greatest warriors in the dwarven kingdom. I'm NOT going to stand still and watch the love of my life throw his own life away for my sake. I'm perfectly capable of knocking him on the head or sticking a knife in the back of his kneecap, anything to ensure that I sacrifice myself for his sake.

I would have been satisfied (if very sad) with that ending, but nooo. My character is supposed to stand there like and idiot and just let Alistair go. I was so angry I actually yelled "Noooooo no no no no!", hit the reset button on my machine, and loaded an earlier save so I could take Morrigan up on her offer. (Yeah, this game inspired an emotional investment in the story that I haven't had before, which shows how good it is.)

I don't have a problem with the choice between "doing the right thing" and having somebody die or taking Morrigan up on her offer. I do have the problem with losing control of my character in the way that it happened. It felt really weird to have been able to play a very strong female character through the game, one who actively set up her future in order to regain her noble status and shape the man she loved into a king, and then suddenly have that taken away from me so Alistair could play White Knight to my apparently helpless maiden (hey, *I* got the killing blow on that archdemon, thank you very much).

That, and the lack of a strong ending cutscene and the bugged slides definitely made the whole thing frustrating and anticlimactic.

Are you really surprised that Alistair feels the same way? It has nothing to do with your capability, and everything to do with the fact that Alistair loves you. We know how he felt about Duncan's death--that everything would be better if he'd died instead of Duncan.... Big red flag, there.

[Maria13]

[quote]Sorcy73 wrote...

I felt rather dejected with my ending. I was an elf in love with Alistair and he took the killing blow for me. I expected this but then talking to all my old friends in the castle after the event left me at a loss.

They all knew I was in love with Alistair but they all went on about how great it was that the Archdemon was dead and how heroic I was, not one of them consoled me for my loss of the love of my life. Seemed weird.[/quote]

What you said here was my biggest gripe with the ending.  I took the same route my first play through, and although I was heartbroken that Alistair died, I couldn't believe how happy everyone was considering that one of our companions had just died -- not to mention a companion who was also the love of my life... thanks for being sensitive guys.  Lots of talk about how heroic I was, but... I wasn't the one who gave my life, at least give him a bit of credit.  :-/  I thought he deserved a cut-scene funeral or something -- anything, really. 

I demand justice for Alistair!!  :-)

[/quote]

So do leave him unhardened, do the ritual and run away with him...  Alistair is an extremely moral character, in the end he will always do what is best for the majority, and no one but you really appreciates this. So you have to be mean for him to secure his happiness...

[Nonvita]

I liked the Alistair sacrifices himself ending. I like it because I was so dead-set on sacrificing myself that when he did it I was actually really shocked. I figured I'd be able to talk him out of it, like with everyone else up to that point, but obviously not. It definitely would have been nice to get more sympathy in the end (Wynne's apology didn't even seem that heartfelt, but then again it's Wynne, so why would it be?), but I myself felt upset enough that I didn't really need everyone else's consolation. Plus, I had kept Zevran at love going into the ending, so he was there to cheer up my character. =) Actually, without Zevran, I'm not sure I would have liked the ending as much...



(And I did get a bug: I'd set Alistair up with Anora, and in the end she started her whole "Does he always joke around like this?" spiel for when he lives and they get married. I really wanted an option for, "He's dead, you stupid ****!" but alas...)