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[Darji]

Sakanade wrote...

I've even seen reviews calling Dragon Age 2 a declaration of war against the PC gamers

that and scores of 12/20 in France

metacritic is at 5.5/10 right now

It really is. ITs a very bad bad RPG. Especially if you play on the PC. The controls are horrible and the combat is totally unbalanced. And these wave are are really annoying. Essepcially the new ones which just spawn right into the area.

Interactivity is almost not there and the city which should play a big role feels totally lifeless.

[almasy919]

Ah yes, this massive horde of 71 really loud posters. Customer base ha!

[TheMadCat]

Shatterkiss wrote...

Metacritic user reviews vary a lot. Personally, I average the professional reviews and the user reviews and it usually works out fairly well for me. Currently DA2 is at 8.4 for professional reviews and 3.7 for user reviews, so I'd call the total score about a 6. From what I've heard that sounds reasonable, but Amazon hasn't bothered to ship mine yet so I really can't say for sure.

I'm not sure the user reviews on metacritic are worth a damn at the moment. A lot of people making zero sense, typing out gibberish and landing a ton of 0's and 1's.

[Kopawapatezi]

DM Veil wrote...

Leonick91 wrote...

Also, hate break it to you but the average IQ have drop by around 20 the last decade

I can't help but think that this is due to the dumbing down of things in our life, from games to the education system, but that's just me.

I haven't read up on IQs lately. But I think average shifting by twenty points in the span of a decade is damn near impossible. You know, considering it's just ten years, and all.

I could be wrong.

Modifié par Kopawapatezi, 09 mars 2011 - 04:04 .

[TelkEvolon]

A lot of Mass Effect fans will think this game is awesome.

A lot of Origins fans will think this is a slap in the face.


Any game that gets dumbed down for the masses will be popular with the people it is dumbed down for and hated by the people it turned its back on.

The main reason I loved Origins was for the fact that BioWare went out to make a great RPG game. For fans who will a bit more out of their games. It was so deep. Now. It is pretty damn shallow.

So for people who haven't played or couldn't get into Origins, this is great. For People who loved Origins, this is an insult and an example of the decline in media.

There are plenty of Origins fans who will love this, but I am talking about a reason for such mixed reviews.

[Shatterkiss]

TheMadCat wrote...

Shatterkiss wrote...

Metacritic user reviews vary a lot. Personally, I average the professional reviews and the user reviews and it usually works out fairly well for me. Currently DA2 is at 8.4 for professional reviews and 3.7 for user reviews, so I'd call the total score about a 6. From what I've heard that sounds reasonable, but Amazon hasn't bothered to ship mine yet so I really can't say for sure.

I'm not sure the user reviews on metacritic are worth a damn at the moment. A lot of people making zero sense, typing out gibberish and landing a ton of 0's and 1's.

Yeah, the 0's and 1's are almost certainly unjustified.  Then again, the 10's probably are too.  When I go to IMDB I usually ignore the user rating and check the score distribution.  For example, a movie might have a large spike of scores at 7, and fewer reviews at 6 and 8 and even fewer at 9 and 5.  Then you almost always get spikes at 1 and 10.  If you ignore those spikes and even out the graph, you can get a much better idea of how good a movie is.  Unfortunately I don't see a way of doing that with Metacritic.

[Nightshade IX]

Too many changes in too short a development period I fear.

[Unknown Username]

The low scored user reviews on Metacritic are reminding me of the hordes of Amazon.com reviewers that will give any game with any form of DLC DRM a 1 or 2, regardless of the game itself.

Also, while I count myself as a PC gamer first and foremost, I find myself increasingly ashamed to be lumped in as one right alongside the gamers complaining that DA2 was given more attention to its console versions than DA:O had. I'm tired of elitism, on either side. I just happen to see it happening more on the PC side.

On a related note, phrases like "console kiddies" and stating that the game was "dumbed down for consoles" seem more geared towards pissing people off than conveying any sort of cogent argument about the game itself. I don't mind when people take issue with some of the changes made in this sequel, but seeing those terms just irks me. Streamlining features does not equal "dumbing them down."

EDIT: acronym fail.

Modifié par Unknown Username, 09 mars 2011 - 05:48 .

[Darji]

Unknown Username wrote...

The low scored user reviews on Metacritic are reminding me of the hordes of Amazon.com reviewers that will give any game with any form of DLC a 1 or 2, regardless of the game itself.

Also, while I count myself as a PC gamer first and foremost, I find myself increasingly ashamed to be lumped in as one right alongside the gamers complaining that DA2 was given more attention to its console versions than DA:O had. I'm tired of elitism, on either side. I just happen to see it happening more on the PC side.

On a related note, phrases like "console kiddies" and stating that the game was "dumbed down for consoles" seem more geared towards pissing people off than conveying any sort of cogent argument about the game itself. I don't mind when people take issue with some of the changes made in this sequel, but seeing those terms just irks me. Streamlining features does not equal "dumbing them down."

Its not streamlining if you cant equip your comapnanions anymore. Its not streamlining if you cut out a complex dialoguesystem whith the horrors of a mass effect wheel, its no streamlining i you make recycled areas over and over again, its no streamlining if you cut most of the dialogues for sidequests and putting instead a email like mass effect system in it. Its no streamlining if you basicly cut the whole alchemysystem.

Its dumbing a game down because otherwise it would be too complex and overwhelming for casual gamers. But RPGs should not be casual games. RPG players like to read, they like complex systems, they want to talk to everyone instead only searching for guys with a marker on the head. They want to equip yourself aswell as your companions.

There is no meaning of loot if you just can equip it yourself. You find nice armors for example but you will be never be able to wear this stuff.

[Unknown Username]

Darji wrote...

Its not streamlining if you cant equip your comapnanions anymore. Its not streamlining if you cut out a complex dialoguesystem whith the horrors of a mass effect wheel, its no streamlining i you make recycled areas over and over again, its no streamlining if you cut most of the dialogues for sidequests and putting instead a email like mass effect system in it. Its no streamlining if you basicly cut the whole alchemysystem.

Its dumbing a game down because otherwise it would be too complex and overwhelming for casual gamers. But RPGs should not be casual games. RPG players like to read, they like complex systems, they want to talk to everyone instead only searching for guys with a marker on the head. They want to equip yourself aswell as your companions.

There is no meaning of loot if you just can equip it yourself. You find nice armors for example but you will be never be able to wear this stuff.

While I could go over this point by point, I really would rather not get drawn into this argument.  It's not the point of the thread, at all.

[Twitchmonkey]

Unknown Username wrote...

Also, while I count myself as a PC gamer first and foremost, I find myself increasingly ashamed to be lumped in as one right alongside the gamers complaining that DA2 was given more attention to its console versions than DA:O had. I'm tired of elitism, on either side. I just happen to see it happening more on the PC side.

PC gamers deserve to have a game of the same quality the console players get. When the interface and the combat is designed around the consoles, this doesn't happen. The problem isn't that the PC version wasn't given more attention, it wasn't given enough attention to deliver the same quality experience.

[Unknown Username]

Twitchmonkey wrote...

PC gamers deserve to have a game of the same quality the console players get. When the interface and the combat is designed around the consoles, this doesn't happen. The problem isn't that the PC version wasn't given more attention, it wasn't given enough attention to deliver the same quality experience.

But nowhere do I see evidence of this.  The combat doesn't seem designed around consoles.  It was sped up, given snappier animations, but on PC remains largely the same as the combat in Origins.  A new control scheme was given to consoles, but I don't see how that has anything to do with the PC version.  Regarding the interface, while I agree it's definitely a change, I can't see how it was specifically a design for consoles.  Are you referring to the general UI, or to specifics such as the dialogue wheel?  If the latter, I'll admit that I prefer the dialogue wheel approach over Origins' list format any day.

[Sen4lifE]

Critics are often biased and swayed. They honestly should be taken as just opinions, where-as too many people take them as fact..

[Twitchmonkey]

Unknown Username wrote...

But nowhere do I see evidence of this.  The combat doesn't seem designed around consoles.  It was sped up, given snappier animations, but on PC remains largely the same as the combat in Origins.  A new control scheme was given to consoles, but I don't see how that has anything to do with the PC version.  Regarding the interface, while I agree it's definitely a change, I can't see how it was specifically a design for consoles.  Are you referring to the general UI, or to specifics such as the dialogue wheel?  If the latter, I'll admit that I prefer the dialogue wheel approach over Origins' list format any day.

The problem with the combat is that you're playing the PC version, but the enemies are still playing the console version. On the consoles both you and the enmies are moving quickly in and out of combat and can fight effectively. On the PC you're tied to using an auto-attack instead of being able to effectively strike at your own range, quickly move from target to target, and having proper mobility.

The interface is a problem largely because it's just rather bland. On the console yout get your abilities assigned to buttons which can be expanded to use more abilities with a shoulder button. All of this is very large and visible on-screen. On the PC you just have tiny bland-looking icons. It's not gamebreaing, but it doesn't feel like they took the time to find an equally good system for the PC, they designed for the console and then just gave the PC something so they could get teh game on shelves.

[JoePilot]

Unknown Username wrote...

Darji wrote...

Its not streamlining if you cant equip your comapnanions anymore. Its not streamlining if you cut out a complex dialoguesystem whith the horrors of a mass effect wheel, its no streamlining i you make recycled areas over and over again, its no streamlining if you cut most of the dialogues for sidequests and putting instead a email like mass effect system in it. Its no streamlining if you basicly cut the whole alchemysystem.

Its dumbing a game down because otherwise it would be too complex and overwhelming for casual gamers. But RPGs should not be casual games. RPG players like to read, they like complex systems, they want to talk to everyone instead only searching for guys with a marker on the head. They want to equip yourself aswell as your companions.

There is no meaning of loot if you just can equip it yourself. You find nice armors for example but you will be never be able to wear this stuff.

While I could go over this point by point, I really would rather not get drawn into this argument.  It's not the point of the thread, at all.

e.g., the OP is completely reasonable and justified in their points, as are the people giving the game horrible reviews based on those points, but you can provide no reasonable counter argument, so you chose to say nothing.

The point of this thread is that the reviews are all over the place.  Your claim is something along the lines of "haters gonna hate", while ignoring that there are some very justifiable reasons why someone who loved Dragon Age: Origins could absolutely detest DA2.

It's not 4chan, it's not haters, it's people who loved the first game, who stupidly assumed the second would be similar, but better.  It's not that hard to understand.

[4love]

GOOD point,i dont hate DA 2(i didn't play the game only the DEMO) i was just expecting to much,the best review so far is at Gamespot very good 8.0 and players average is 7.7(480VOTES),so my advise is MAKE YOUR OWN OPINION

Modifié par 4love, 09 mars 2011 - 05:26 .

[Unknown Username]

JoePilot wrote...

e.g., the OP is completely reasonable and justified in their points, as are the people giving the game horrible reviews based on those points, but you can provide no reasonable counter argument, so you chose to say nothing.

The point of this thread is that the reviews are all over the place.  Your claim is something along the lines of "haters gonna hate", while ignoring that there are some very justifiable reasons why someone who loved Dragon Age: Origins could absolutely detest DA2.

It's not 4chan, it's not haters, it's people who loved the first game, who stupidly assumed the second would be similar, but better.  It's not that hard to understand.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.  Specifically, when you claim that I cannot provide reasonable counterarguments and so I choose to say nothing, and then following with "The point of this thread is that the reviews are all over the place."  

I seem to recall stating that arguing about what's good and bad, or what's streamlined or "dumbed down" is off topic for this thread.  Hence why I wish to not discuss them here.  This is not the thread for it.

Also, I understand that there are people with justified and reasonable complaints about DA2.  Some people may not like the changes made, and I have no problem with that.  I only wanted to express that I get the same vibe from the trollish reviews on metacritic's user reviews as I do from the people who review-bomb Amazon.com over DLC DRM.  Oh, and that I'm sick of elitism.  So very sick of it.

EDIT:  Wow, can't believe that I was saying DLC instead of DRM.  Acronym fail, awesome.  Amazon review bombs tend to be more about DRM, as far as I've noticed.

Modifié par Unknown Username, 09 mars 2011 - 05:48 .

[Unknown Username]

oops, double post.

Modifié par Unknown Username, 09 mars 2011 - 05:42 .

[slimgrin]

GT gave it a good review, but mostly based on combat revisions.

[Steven83]

But think about it, before Dragon Age II, the reviews were very, very favorable. What had gone wrong in the sequel to cause this to happen?

Before DA 2 there were already DLCs, so the DLC hating horde cannot possibly materialize. It must be something else.

[David Gaider]

Please don't start another "console vs. PC" debate. It doesn't belong here.

[Melness]

David Gaider wrote...

Please don't start another "console vs. PC" debate. It doesn't belong here.

I propose the creation of a PC vs Console forum, without moderators (Because we like to safeguard their minds) and with a random IP ban of 100 posters a week.

Presto!:wizard:There you go! A Peace spell.

[Unknown Username]

Melness wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Please don't start another "console vs. PC" debate. It doesn't belong here.

I propose the creation of a PC vs Console forum, without moderators (Because we like to safeguard their minds) and with a random IP ban of 100 posters a week.

Presto!:wizard:There you go! A Peace spell.

I second this notion.  What an awesome idea.

[JoePilot]

David Gaider wrote...

[Dragon Age 2]

What were you thinking?! 

I mean, I read both "The Calling" and "The Stolen Throne" and I mean, just....what happened? 

Modifié par JoePilot, 09 mars 2011 - 05:54 .

[Melness]

JoePilot wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

[Dragon Age 2]

What were you thinking?!

You can't handle the truth! Your mind would be blown:

David Gaider

STR:N/A
DEX:N/A
CON:N/A
INT: N/A
WIS: N/A
CHA:N/A

class: Epic Bard

+ 10 writing

Special Ability: Overworks to create the plot for an unspecified companion, blowing the minds of all those nearby.

Also, could you base your criticism on some sort of a non-vague adjective driven rationale?

Modifié par Melness, 09 mars 2011 - 05:55 .